Captains Day At Your Club

LinksLad

On Captains Day at my club, about 50 3-ball groupings teed off in strokeplay from the back tees. The top 21 scorers then went on to play a 9 hole playoff, all off half the handicap they started the day with.
The winner was then decided by the 27 hole total under/over par.

I was wondering if this is a common Captains Day format, and, if another format is used at your club, what is it?

Barnaboy

That' exactly how our president's prize is played but our Captains is over 36 holes over two consecutive Sundays.

CarefulNow!

18h qualify, followed by 36h over two days to sort winners out! All strokes... Tough format

Keano

Ours is only 18 hole stroke play off the back tees.

denishurley

Captain's and President's both have same format, 18-hole qualifying and then top 27 in nine-hole play-off, except that it's stroke for Captain's and Stableford for President's

sydneybound

It's some rubbish like £50, off the back tees, stroke and the pins are set up tough. For the 50 you get a bacon sandwich before playing and a three course meal after. Can't say I've ever entered one to be honest. I feel members shouldnt have to pay excessive amounts to play their home course even for big days like the captains. Or even if the meals were optional and you could pay less but that doesn't seem to be the case.

esker man

LinksLad wrote: »

On Captains Day at my club, about 50 3-ball groupings teed off in strokeplay from the back tees. The top 21 scorers then went on to play a 9 hole playoff, all off half the handicap they started the day with.
The winner was then decided by the 27 hole total under/over par.

I was wondering if this is a common Captains Day format, and, if another format is used at your club, what is it?

Similar at our club and its on tomorrow. Could be very tough looking at weather forecast

LinksLad

sydneybound wrote: »

It's some rubbish like £50, off the back tees, stroke and the pins are set up tough. For the 50 you get a bacon sandwich before playing and a three course meal after. Can't say I've ever entered one to be honest. I feel members shouldnt have to pay excessive amounts to play their home course even for big days like the captains. Or even if the meals were optional and you could pay less but that doesn't seem to be the case.

Wow! At that price they might as well be completely honest and call it the Captains Day Fundraiser.
Imagine if we were in the middle of a recession? Oh, wait a min...

Rikand

LinksLad wrote: »

On Captains Day at my club, about 50 3-ball groupings teed off in strokeplay from the back tees. The top 21 scorers then went on to play a 9 hole playoff, all off half the handicap they started the day with.
The winner was then decided by the 27 hole total under/over par.

I was wondering if this is a common Captains Day format, and, if another format is used at your club, what is it?

exact same for us except we had 200+ play in it. But other than that, exact same!

I think the way BarnaBoy's club does it sounds like a great idea. Even if you shot a 76-77-78, the first weekend, you'd still be in with a shout if you shot a good round the second weekend.

the 27 hole format is stacked towards fellas who mind their handicap just nicely and are realistically far better than their handicap suggests.

Dr_Colossus

Old club last year was 36 hole strokes played over two consecutive Sundays in August similar to Barnaboys. Nice format but in August it was hard to be around for the two weekends with holidays and other commitments. Competition entry fee for the two weekends combined was €10 for which you got a very nice burger after 9 the second Sunday. There was a optional Captains dinner but tickets were quite expensive at something like €40 so didn't partake in that.

This year it's a new club and format, 18 holes strokes qualifying on either a Sat or Sun in July from which the top 50 or something go through to play 27 holes strokes the following weekend. Sounds like a good format and hopefully the qualifying scores carry forward to give the best overall 45 hole score. Think entry fee is a standard competition fee and not sure of any details regarding a possible dinner and costs of same.

GreeBo

sydneybound wrote: »

It's some rubbish like £50, off the back tees, stroke and the pins are set up tough. For the 50 you get a bacon sandwich before playing and a three course meal after. Can't say I've ever entered one to be honest. I feel members shouldnt have to pay excessive amounts to play their home course even for big days like the captains. Or even if the meals were optional and you could pay less but that doesn't seem to be the case.

LinksLad wrote: »

Wow! At that price they might as well be completely honest and call it the Captains Day Fundraiser.
Imagine if we were in the middle of a recession? Oh, wait a min...

Isnt that to pay for prizes though?
I would sincerely doubt anyone is making any money off it.

realgolfgeek

GreeBo wrote: »

Isnt that to pay for prizes though?
I would sincerely doubt anyone is making any money off it.

50 bucks is a bit extreme...
it would want to be some three course meal, and it would want to be some set of prizes in all fairness.

nomunnnofun

LinksLad wrote: »

On Captains Day at my club, about 50 3-ball groupings teed off in strokeplay from the back tees. The top 21 scorers then went on to play a 9 hole playoff, all off half the handicap they started the day with.
The winner was then decided by the 27 hole total under/over par.

I was wondering if this is a common Captains Day format, and, if another format is used at your club, what is it?

Why is the 9 hole playoff played off half your handicap. Isn't that a bit unfair on high handicappers?

GreeBo

nomunnnofun wrote: »

Why is the 9 hole playoff played off half your handicap. Isn't that a bit unfair on high handicappers?

how is that unfair?
half the holes = half the handicap...same for everyone?

GreeBo

realgolfgeek wrote: »

50 bucks is a bit extreme...
it would want to be some three course meal, and it would want to be some set of prizes in all fairness.

Well we have probably 25 prizes, I guess it depends on the size of your field.
Top prize if a couple of hundred quid easy.

hades

Captains is stroke and Presidents is stableford, but both follow this format.

Qualifying on Thursday, Friday and Saturday, groups going off in 3 balls off blues with deep rough and tough pins. There is a qualifying score to beat to get through to Sunday. Usually +3 nett for captains or 34pts for presidents. All those qualifying play on the Sunday with new pins. This years captains prize was grueling so only 70 or so qualified, but you could normally get around a 100 playing on a Sunday.

In previous years, the top 21 or so qualifiers were paired together and they tee'd off Sunday afternoon, with everyone else going off in the morning. It lead to a great sense of occasion and excitement, and the one time i did get to play in the afternoon, it lead to a serious case of butterfly belly teeing off the first with a big-ish crowd around.

nomunnnofun

GreeBo wrote: »

how is that unfair?
half the holes = half the handicap...same for everyone?

You are right. No difference in strokeplay. I was thinking of stableford format where it would make a difference.:o

realgolfgeek

GreeBo wrote: »

Well we have probably 25 prizes.

25 prizes, just for Captains Day ?

GreeBo

nomunnnofun wrote: »

You are right. No difference in strokeplay. I was thinking of stableford format where it would make a difference.:o

No difference for stableford either.
You either have an adjusted indices card or you take your shots on the lowest indices you play.
e.g if you have 4 shots you take them on the 4 lowest indices in play.

In any case, how is it a disadvantage to higher handicaps?

nomunnnofun

GreeBo wrote: »

No difference for stableford either.
You either have an adjusted indices card or you take your shots on the lowest indices you play.
e.g if you have 4 shots you take them on the 4 lowest indices in play.

In any case, how is it a disadvantage to higher handicaps?

Maybe my logic is incorrect but if i look at a 20 and a 10 handicapper I calculate the below.

20 handicapper is reduced to 10 handicap
If we imagine that five of the hardest holes are on the front nine and five on the back, he receives an extra shot on five holes thus losing out on another five that he would have received if his handicap was 20.

10 handicapper is reduced to 5 handicap.
If we imagine that 3 of the hardest holes are on the front and two on the back, he receives an extra shot on 3 holes, therefore losing out on only two shots had his handicap remained at 10.

20 handicapper loses 5 shots he would normally have but 10 handicapper loses only 2. Am I missing something here

kiers47

nomunnnofun wrote: »

Maybe my logic is incorrect but if i look at a 20 and a 10 handicapper I calculate the below.

20 handicapper is reduced to 10 handicap
If we imagine that five of the hardest holes are on the front nine and five on the back, he receives an extra shot on five holes thus losing out on another five that he would have received if his handicap was 20.

10 handicapper is reduced to 5 handicap.
If we imagine that 3 of the hardest holes are on the front and two on the back, he receives an extra shot on 3 holes, therefore losing out on only two shots had his handicap remained at 10.

20 handicapper loses 5 shots he would normally have but 10 handicapper loses only 2. Am I missing something here

The key is i believe that the 20 handicapper would still recieve his 10 shots. 1 shot on each hole and an additional shot on the toughest hole in play for the particular 9. i.e. if the index 1 and 2 werent in play but 3 was he would recieve his 2 shots on the index 3.

Likewise the 10 handicapper would receive his 5 shots on the 5 toughest holes in play. They wouldnt necessarily be 1-5 on the card but still get 5 shots.

GreeBo

nomunnnofun wrote: »

Maybe my logic is incorrect but if i look at a 20 and a 10 handicapper I calculate the below.

20 handicapper is reduced to 10 handicap
If we imagine that five of the hardest holes are on the front nine and five on the back, he receives an extra shot on five holes thus losing out on another five that he would have received if his handicap was 20.

10 handicapper is reduced to 5 handicap.
If we imagine that 3 of the hardest holes are on the front and two on the back, he receives an extra shot on 3 holes, therefore losing out on only two shots had his handicap remained at 10.

20 handicapper loses 5 shots he would normally have but 10 handicapper loses only 2. Am I missing something here

the indices are (supposed to be) such that they are divided evenly over the 18 holes.
Typically the front nine is say even, back nine is odd.
So a 10 handicap gets 5 shots on the front nine and 5 on the back, a 20 gets 10 and 10.



over 9 holes a 20 handicap will have 1 shot on 8 holes and 2 shots on 1.
The location of this "double bubble" will be the lowest index in play on those 9 holes.
It might be index 3, depending on the layout of the 9 hole course
(e.g. ours is 1-7 and 17,18)

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beaten by kiers!

nomunnnofun

Got it. Thanks

kiers47

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Was close!!

GreeBo

kiers47 wrote: »

Was close!!

I'm debating just deleting yours

slave1

LinksLad wrote: »

On Captains Day at my club, about 50 3-ball groupings teed off in strokeplay from the back tees. The top 21 scorers then went on to play a 9 hole playoff, all off half the handicap they started the day with.
The winner was then decided by the 27 hole total under/over par.

I was wondering if this is a common Captains Day format, and, if another format is used at your club, what is it?

Idential format to the President's prize I won many years back.

GreeBo

forgot to say that ours is over two days, usually 3 or even 4 days of qualifying (300-400 people)
150 or so get into the second day.

Both days strokes, all our comps are off the comp tees but typically they push you right back and skin the greens (11 on the stimp last year)
€15 to enter total, no meal but there is usually burgers or ice cream at the 10th tee.

Anatom

GreeBo wrote: »

forgot to say that ours is over two days, usually 3 or even 4 days of qualifying (300-400 people)
150 or so get into the second day.

Both days strokes, all our comps are off the comp tees but typically they push you right back and skin the greens (11 on the stimp last year)
€15 to enter total, no meal but there is usually burgers or ice cream at the 10th tee.

Pretty much the same as our format, without the ice cream, but including a meal. Can't remember the price as I have yet to be able to qualify for it...:(

It is a very popular day, with huge demand for slots in the qualifying days. I must look it up for this year...

blackwhite

Ours is over two weekends - strokes.

Qualifying the first weekend on both Saturday and Sunday - 18 holes off the blue tees.

Top 90 play another 18 holes the following Sunday. Blue tees again and always pushed right back to the back of the box.

€15 to enter.

I was in the top 10 after the first round last year.
Started the 2nd round with a par and then took an 8 on the (par 3) second

Wichita Lineman

In Moate we have a strokeplay qualifier the week before the final and sometimes it's been a score that guarantees qualification say Nett 73 or something like that but other times it's been pre-determined that the top 60/70 or so will play the 18 hole strokeplay on day 2. Then I think it's the top 20 or 25 that play another 9 holes on top of that.

blackwhite

blackwhite wrote: »

Ours is over two weekends - strokes.

Qualifying the first weekend on both Saturday and Sunday - 18 holes off the blue tees.

Top 90 play another 18 holes the following Sunday. Blue tees again and always pushed right back to the back of the box.

€15 to enter.

I was in the top 10 after the first round last year.
Started the 2nd round with a par and then took an 8 on the (par 3) second

Just got the email that this year's qualifying was this past weekend - having been out of the country working for the past few weeks I managed to be completely oblivious

Qualifying score was Net 80 :eek: - windy conditions seemingly played havoc