New (2nd hand) tractor what to buy???

cuculainn

Hi Everyone,

We are looking to replace a MF 165 that is on its last legs. Will probably go for something slightly bigger.

It will be mainly used for bringing in bales over winter, some mowing in the summer and moving bales.

If it was possible we would get one with a front loader, but not essential.

Basically would be looking for something reliable, more comfortable than the 165
and strong enough to move bales through the winter land

I like the idea of 4wd but again not sure if it essential. Dont want anything that will rob us on fuel either.

Budget would be less than €5000

We have a ford 4600 for tipping around also.

Here are some of the ones that I found on Donedeal

http://www.donedeal.ie/tractors-for-sale/massey-ferguson-698t/5090484

http://www.donedeal.ie/tractors-for-sale/international-674/4249588

http://www.donedeal.ie/tractors-for-sale/fiat-70-90/5097963

http://www.donedeal.ie/tractors-for-sale/1990-ursus-475-for-sale/5104023

http://www.donedeal.ie/tractors-for-sale/david-brown-1490/5119585

This is my personal favourite. Has loader looks in good nick..
Is there any issues in it being a turbodiesel?

http://www.donedeal.ie/tractors-for-sale/international-685xl-price-reduced/5130358

http://www.donedeal.ie/tractors-for-sale/massey-ferguson-690/5190419

http://www.donedeal.ie/tractors-for-sale/ursus-475-2400-hrs-2nd-owner-ideal/4911415

http://www.donedeal.ie/tractors-for-sale/international-785/5157912

http://www.donedeal.ie/tractors-for-sale/ursus-450-50hp-1999/5147964

Think this is abit small.

So what are peoples opinions on these OR what would you suggest?


Thanks

nashmach

Out of all of those, I'd be going with the Fiat.

Wouldn't look at the 450 Ursus and doubt any of the other Ursus' either.

The MF's chosen are all prone to rust eating though so maybe not ideal.

The IH 674 is a bit old perhaps?

The DB looks like good value there. :cool:

grazeaway

nashmach wrote: »

Out of all of those, I'd be going with the Fiat.

Wouldn't look at the 450 Ursus and doubt any of the other Ursus' either.

The MF's chosen are all prone to rust eating though so maybe not ideal.

The IH 674 is a bit old perhaps?

The DB looks like good value there. :cool:

yeah i'd got with the fiat too, but at 70hp it might be a bit small, the DB with the loader looks ok, a bit more grunt is always good to have.

if your going to use the loader to lift heavy bales around a field then the 4wd will be essential as it'll have a stronger front axel and wont be as prone to pushing the front wheels. If you use a rear mounted handler and its hasnt caused you any bother so far and you dotn intend to change then you should stick to your 2wd as a decent 4wd will probably be over your budget.

loaders are fierce handy, if you get one you'll never go back. doesn't matter how good your transport box is it'll never be able to lift like a loader. my dad was one of the 1st people round here (well small farmer anyway) to get one back in the 70's. it was a trip loader on a ford 5000 and we have had one on a tractor ever sense. I only know of 2 farmer's in this area that don't have one (they both have small stud farms, all small square bales and mucking out is done by hand so have very little use for one).

cuculainn

Typical, Ye both picked the one that was probably out of my budget!!!

I think we would be ok with just using a rear bale lifter....its what we do now anyway and would not have that much demand for carrying two bales at a time.

I like the idea of a 4wd but dont think we really need one and would prefer to spend the extra a 4wd would cost on a better 2 wd.

I dont have much experience of DB's but I think its worth a look

Timmaay

That db looks good alright, very tidy loader on it. Had plenty of them over the years here, no major faults on them other than some gearbox problems (usually the linkage in the gearstick, easy fix), the engine block will crack in cold weather if antifreeze isn't used, so check the coolant etc. The back end will still work away even if you run it low on oil, but will be doing damage inside, so check the level of that incase the previous owner was lazy! Only other thing I'd say is the front stock axles are weak, so be careful if you are lifting heavy silage bales with the loader, But if thats your plan I'd stick with a 4wd 2bh!

restive

I upgraded from a massey 135 to a 4wd fiat 70 90 in the spring of 2012. My advice is definitely go with a 4wd. I certainly would not go back to 2wd again.

As for the fiat 70 90 it is a very hardy tractor and while the back lift is miles better than the massey's I thought it might be better.

bbam

http://www.donedeal.ie/tractors-for-sale/international-785/5157912


This looks clean but I'm pretty sure its mutton dressed as lamb. Its badged as a CASE and in the Case-IH colours but I'd be near sure its just an International quite a few years older than the colour scheme..



If it were me and not going 4WD I'd go for the Davy Brown. Good honest work horse, looks clean and tyres look good. Loader is a real boon too..




I'd like to see this girl in the flesh... for €5500 its no way expensive.
There a handy size and great traction..

cuculainn

Thanks that case looks a bit big for our needs. would it be hard on juice?

bbam

Harder than some of the others..
But you have the 4600 for tipping round and then the 4WD for jobs where a little more grunt and traction are needed..

Thats the way we work anyway.. Where it suits we have a 2WD DB996, and then a 4WD similar to that one for heavier jobs..

Yes its harder on Diesel.... but my father used to say, "those extra horses have to be fed"

cuculainn

Yeah you have a point. Might be worth a look, thought it was bigger than it actually is. For the money it would good if it was an honest tractor

nashmach

The DB and the last Case IH are practically the same tractor bar the 4wd so don't fear about size there.

The DB also has wide tyres which is a bonus for what you are looking to do to be fair.

That 4wd looks like it needs some work though on the cab to me.

On the top one I think bbam may be right but they were produced in Case IH colours with the square grille around 1986 but those look like reproduction decals to me so very possible it has been resprayed and made look younger.

cuculainn

Or something like this:
http://www.donedeal.ie/tractors-for-sale/fiat-80-90/5164040

If the money was right

nashmach

cuculainn wrote: »

Or something like this:
http://www.donedeal.ie/tractors-for-sale/fiat-80-90/5164040

If the money was right

That will be near double your budget!

cuculainn

HI Know this is a bit out of budget, but what are these internationals like?

http://www.donedeal.ie/tractors-for-sale/885-xl-international-for-sale/4901371

Masseymad

if i was you i would stick to the masey or maybe landini?

http://www.donedeal.ie/tractors-for-sale/landini-8550-4wd-with-tanco-front-loader/5175434

cuculainn

Thanks for the suggestions. It seems hard to get much bag for your book with the Masseys.

I know it was just an example but would hope to get something that would need less work onit than the landini

Masseymad

would this tractor be kept in a shed during the winter?

Muckit

My money would go on the 70-90. It looks tidy and has the wide comfort cab and has the wide wheels all round. All the others wouldn't get a look in, heaps of dirt IMO! It's the youngest of the lot of them too.

I'd go down with a big ball of cash and try do a deal for south of this figure. If it could be bought for around €6500-€7000 I'd count it right good value. Bet you'd get your money back if you went to sell 5-10 years down the road, the rest will be parked in a ditch by then!!

Muckit

cuculainn wrote: »

Or something like this:
http://www.donedeal.ie/tractors-for-sale/fiat-80-90/5164040

If the money was right

Notice how this has the narrow cab. Still a good cab with plenty of soundproofing. Funny the 90 series fiats had better soundproofing than most of their modern day New Holland equivalents.

The 70-90 is the pick of them!

cuculainn

Masseymad wrote: »

would this tractor be kept in a shed during the winter?

Not exclusively but for a large percentage of time it would be

Masseymad

the 698 or the 690 would do you so

k mac

Is the 70-90 4WD ?