BVD positive calves

reps4

is anybody segregating and rearing positive calves? if so,what do you plan do with them

is there any veal or factories offering to take them and if so will they give similar prices to standard cattle.

heard of guy with 9 springers and calves failing last week

mahoney_j

reps4 wrote: »

is anybody segregating and rearing positive calves? if so,what do you plan do with them

is there any veal or factories offering to take them and if so will they give similar prices to standard cattle.

heard of guy with 9 springers and calves failing last week

If a calf is Bvd positive it should be slaughtered ASAP ,why would anyone want positive calves???.anyone that keeps them to finish them should be getting no qa bonus and price should be at least half if not quarter of factory base.

yellow50HX

mahoney_j wrote: »

If a calf is Bvd positive it should be slaughtered ASAP ,why would anyone want positive calves???.anyone that keeps them to finish them should be getting no qa bonus and price should be at least half if not quarter of factory base.

Not every one can afford to cull calves for a deasise that may not actually effect them. The €100 compo is fine for lads that are culling fr bull calves that'll only make that anyway when they sell them at mart when they are a few weeks old.

Neighbour on mine has a small suckler herd about 15 cows. He has lost 2 calves this year due to calving and has had another 3 that have got Bvd. The 3 with it all look perfect so he has decided he is going to keep them and send them to the factory after weaning. He plans to get something out of them.

moy83

yellow50HX wrote: »

Not every one can afford to cull calves for a deasise that may not actually effect them. The €100 compo is fine for lads that are culling fr bull calves that'll only make that anyway when they sell them at mart when they are a few weeks old.

Neighbour on mine has a small suckler herd about 15 cows. He has lost 2 calves this year due to calving and has had another 3 that have got Bvd. The 3 with it all look perfect so he has decided he is going to keep them and send them to the factory after weaning. He plans to get something out of them.

What would they pay for a weanlin in the factory , say 300kg ?

mahoney_j

yellow50HX wrote: »

Not every one can afford to cull calves for a deasise that may not actually effect them. The €100 compo is fine for lads that are culling fr bull calves that'll only make that anyway when they sell them at mart when they are a few weeks old.

Neighbour on mine has a small suckler herd about 15 cows. He has lost 2 calves this year due to calving and has had another 3 that have got Bvd. The 3 with it all look perfect so he has decided he is going to keep them and send them to the factory after weaning. He plans to get something out of them.

If its 15 cows and 3 positives then there's an underlying problem there.those 3 calves most likely have pi mothers and all 6 of those animals will shed the disease.if every farmer has this attitude Bvd will never be eradicated .dont care wether its a fr bull,heifer or a Charolais calf if its positive get rid straight away

yellow50HX

mahoney_j wrote: »

If its 15 cows and 3 positives then there's an underlying problem there.those 3 calves most likely have pi mothers and all 6 of those animals will shed the disease.if every farmer has this attitude Bvd will never be eradicated .dont care wether its a fr bull,heifer or a Charolais calf if its positive get rid straight away

The cows and calves were blood tested, cows clear.

yellow50HX

moy83 wrote: »

What would they pay for a weanlin in the factory , say 300kg ?

Was thinking the same myself, what is it actually worth at that age. I'd say he might be better off filling his freezer as I'd say they won't be worth much in the factory.

moy83

Bob charles if you're reading this could you tell us if the factories even have any interest in taking in animals of that size (300kg liveweight) thanks

bbam

I know a lad bought in 250 kg heifers last Autumn. One was found to be a PI but He decided to keep it on.
By the end of Jan he had it Put down as it was constantly sick and having to be segrated.
I doubt many will make it on for slaughter.

freedominacup

yellow50HX wrote: »

Not every one can afford to cull calves for a deasise that may not actually effect them. The €100 compo is fine for lads that are culling fr bull calves that'll only make that anyway when they sell them at mart when they are a few weeks old.

Neighbour on mine has a small suckler herd about 15 cows. He has lost 2 calves this year due to calving and has had another 3 that have got Bvd. The 3 with it all look perfect so he has decided he is going to keep them and send them to the factory after weaning. He plans to get something out of them.

That €100 will look like good money when he's writing a cheque out to the knackery for collecting those yokes.

RobertKK

The consequences of having a PI animal around makes no sense - spreading disease and in the end just costing far more than it is worth.

Get this disease eradicated and then all can benefit. Keeping sick animals - which a PI is given it is spreading the disease everyday, is self defeating and means the eradication scheme would need to continue because some are selfish and are keeping such animals to keep the disease present.

Injuryprone

According to the Journal, 50% of PI calves are still on farms:eek::eek:

yellow50HX wrote: »

The €100 compo is fine for lads that are culling fr bull calves that'll only make that anyway when they sell them at mart when they are a few weeks old.

The €100 compo doesn't apply to dairy farmers, only suckler farmers.

whelan1

for the scheme to work properly should there not be compulsory slaughter of positive animals. IMO the people who where in the scheme last year are the ones who want rid of the disease and there are alot of messers out there this year who cant see the bigger picture which is you should get rid as soon as you get the confirmatory result

bbam

whelan1 wrote: »

for the scheme to work properly should there not be compulsory slaughter of positive animals. IMO the people who where in the scheme last year are the ones who want rid of the disease and there are alot of messers out there this year who cant see the bigger picture which is you should get rid as soon as you get the confirmatory result

Dead right.
Get them out of the system quickly.
Obviously lads keeping them on just have no faith in the system and don't believe the information on the effects of the transient infections on the rest of their herd.

Bactidiaryl

Thick <modsnip> that haven't a shaggin clue will end up ruining it for everybody else by leaving a weak link in the system and with this kind of <modsnip> in three years time when all should be gone there will still be pockets of Bvd around. If I had my way I would have every positive calf that was still around after 1 month be required to be inspected by the dept. That would fix that pronto.

freedominacup

Bactidiaryl wrote: »

Thick <modsnip> that haven't a shaggin clue will end up ruining it for everybody else by leaving a weak link in the system and with this kind of <modsnip> in three years time when all should be gone there will still be pockets of Bvd around. If I had my way I would have every positive calf that was still around after 1 month be required to be inspected by the dept. That would fix that pronto.

Full no warning cross compliance inspection. With the council and H&S on the following 2 days.:mad:

moy83

BVD wont be gone in three years . I spoke with two farmers this year that said they hadnt a notion of slaughtering positive calves , they were more concerned with finding a vet that would take a sample from a clear calf instead of the the infected one so that they could get a movement cert .
There are always people that wont make even the tiniest of sacrifices for the good of anything .

greysides

moy83 wrote: »

.. they were more concerned with finding a vet that would take a sample from a clear calf instead of the the infected one so that they could get a movement cert .

Those lads don't deserve vets.

moy83

greysides wrote: »

Those lads don't deserve vets.

Tru dat , but we might aswell accept there are people like this out there .

greysides

moy83 wrote: »

...... take a sample from a clear calf instead of the the infected one so that they could get a movement cert .

It would be an easy task to compare DNA from both samples and I wouldn't guarantee it's not already being done.....

moy83

greysides wrote: »

It would be an easy task to compare DNA from both samples and I wouldn't guarantee it's not already being done.....

I hope it is being done . What will the penalty be if they are found out I wonder ?
Even if PIs slip through is there a good chance that they wont last the three years anyhow or can they last long enough to infect cows past the three year scheme

grazeaway

there seem to be a lot of very differing view on this topic and still a lot of confusion. i was over with a neighbour doing a c-section over the weekend and got chatting to the vet about the whole BVD thing. we still have cows to calve so there is still a chance of getting one this year. I was asking him some advice on what to do if we got one.

he reckoned it was very much up to each farmer as it depends on how and where he is prepared to take the financial hit. He could take the chance and separate the animal from the rest of the herd and hope it survives long enough to get some money from it. Or just put it down and be done with it. With the year some lads have had many are very reluctant to put what looks like a perfectly healthy animal down cull the mother.

Despite all the hype on it there is no guarantee that a PI will succumb to illness and die early although at best they only have a 50/50 chance (if even that) of getting to 18 months. I'd say a lot of fellas will take the chance this year but more then likely change tack next year if they still get PI's. This seems espically the case with fellas with closed herds who are wondering how they are getting PI's from their own stock.

hopefully the rest of my year goes well and i dont have to worry about it.

Dampintheattic

Well if compulsive slaughter of TB animals which has gone on since the sixties is anything to go by, why should compulsive slaughter of BVD positives, be any more effective?
Not a defence of messing around with positive animals, BUT, a legitimate question nonetheless.
We have been fuked around by the TB testing I mean sc.m for far too long!

yellow50HX

was looking that results of the calves my unclle got this year and i was looking at the BVd scores they are all quite different. I have noticed that animals tested around the same time has similar scores.

anyone know what the count is and what the tresshold is for being positive? is it a yes or no (positive or negative result) or it a case of once the number is over or under a certain limit

Dampintheattic

If it gets eradicated, the labs will miss the gravy train!

whelan1

yellow50HX wrote: »

was looking that results of the calves my unclle got this year and i was looking at the BVd scores they are all quite different. I have noticed that animals tested around the same time has similar scores.

anyone know what the count is and what the tresshold is for being positive? is it a yes or no (positive or negative result) or it a case of once the number is over or under a certain limit

i dont think you can get the actual reading on icbf anymore, afaik a reading over 1 is positive on the enfer test

yellow50HX

whelan1 wrote: »

i dont think you can get the actual reading on icbf anymore, afaik a reading over 1 is positive on the enfer test

thats what i was thinking, its usually red or green. But i do remember seeing numbers on it before was just wondering what the score was for? asked a vet before and he didnt have a clue. if i was getting a lot of animals just under the 1.0 should i be getting worried?

Rovi

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