UK car visiting, not paying toll. Is fine sent to UK?

ba_barabus

eFlow: Reps wrote: »

Hi lisademps,

Happy to hear that it has been sorted for you. If you have any further queries please don't hesitate to ask!

Standing by,
Colm.

Out of interest if someone in a UK registered car was on holiday and they passed through the toll bridge and didn' pay would they receive an invoice and fine to their UK address?

biko

Moved out from another thread.

Marcusm

I think there have been a number of threads on this to the effect that M50 pass it on to a UK collections agent who get the driver info from DVLA and send on "fines". Plenty of posters have recommended ignoring them. Plenty of other posters seem to have contacted the toll company late and settled up for the bare toll. I've signed up for an eFlow account to cover my travels. If I was the tourist, I'd ring in now; the difficulty in the UK is that the "collections company" may ultimately seek mags or crown court order and send a heavy around to collect. By then the amount will have spiralled out of control. It might not be enforceable but it would be unpleasant.

ba_barabus

A friend is coming over at the weekend so I'll warn them to make sure it's paid

Del2005

ba_barabus wrote: »

A friend is coming over at the weekend so I'll warn them to make sure it's paid

If you have an account you can add a UK vehicle or maybe get them to set one up themselves

ardmacha

I'd say if a tourist vehicle makes a single return trip, they won't bother with some of the debt collection. But why not just pay, or go a different way and so not have to pay?

getz

ba_barabus wrote: »

Out of interest if someone in a UK registered car was on holiday and they passed through the toll bridge and didn' pay would they receive an invoice and fine to their UK address?

NO not unless they live in NI as they have a agreement with the republic,not paying toll is only a civil offence in the rest of the UK,so because it was not committed over there it would not be recognized there,if it was there would be no foreign HGVs left driving around the EU

ba_barabus

Del2005 wrote: »

If you have an account you can add a UK vehicle or maybe get them to set one up themselves

Now that's a very good option

getz

little bit of googling brings up these answers,there has been no record of anyone living in England who has been made to pay a toll fine from the republic,it seems that before they can chase up the toll fine it has first to go through the irish courts [expensive and tricky] then if the case is won,it has to go though the English county courts,and as the English county courts have no authority on civil matters from outside the country,thats a no go,all the toll people could do is send out a nasty letter in hope that people are scared enough to pay up,i am not suggesting anyone should avoid paying it,anyone know,how many people in Ireland have been chased up to pay parking and toll fines from england ?

wally1990

eflow will pass the charge onto pierce fitzgibbion if it remains unpaid.Pierce F pass the Charge to europarking who in turn will gather the ownership records from the local DVLA/tax office and send them the charge.

http://www.epcplc.com/

Frequently Asked Questions (FAQ)
Why have I received a notice?
You have committed a/an contravention/offence against the road traffic laws in the country you were visiting and the responsible authority has fined you.
The cost seems to be different to normal parking fines.
Fine values vary from country to country.
I believe this notice has been issued in error.
Please appeal or make a representation.
How does EPC know about the contravention/offence?
The Issuing Organisation has forwarded details of foreign registered vehicles that have committed a traffic violation for EPC to identify and trace.
How did you get my address?
The relevant keeper details are obtained from the relevant vehicle licensing authority.

Fred Swanson

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wally1990

thats ridiculous..maybe you slipped through( we know it can happen) but hundreds a year would get letters for non payment.

mgbgt1978

Still doesn't make it legally enforcable.
They are only threatening letters sent by a 'collection company' who are only too aware that they have no legal standing to collect money in the UK for non payment of a Toll due to a company in a totally different State.
Maybe this situation may change, but at present these companies have no legal right to demand the Toll.

BTW Wally, for somebody who just signed up to Boards (and who has only 3 posts, all relating to E-flow) how do you know that it's hundreds of letters ? Not thousands, or tens, for instance.

wally1990

what are you on about saying it cant be legally enforced?.that's nonsense.
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Legal Enforcement
On receipt of the relevant judgment from the local court where the contravention occurred, the relevant authority may seek to enforce that judgment in the contravener's domiciled country. Amongst the acts forming the legal basis for this procedure is the Council Regulation (EC) 44/2001, which states that a judgment given in any signatory's state and enforceable in that state shall be enforced in any other signatory's state when, on application by any interested party, it has been declared enforceable there. Thus, an Order granted by the Parking Enforcement Centre or similar authority in other jurisdictions is a valid judgment under the terms of the Council Regulation. In the UK, the relevant authority may enforce any judgment obtained in a foreign jurisdiction under the Foreign Judgment (Reciprocal Enforcement) Act 1933. This legislation has been incorporated into the Civil Jurisdiction and Judgment Act 1982 and this act will be applied through the courts under RSC Order 71. Furthermore, treaties such as the European Convention on the Punishment of Road Traffic Offences 1964, the European Convention on Mutual Assistance in Criminal Matters 1959 and the Council Decision on the application of the principle of mutual recognition to financial penalties, may be applicable.

mgbgt1978

Slightly different from your earlier post which simply stated that EPC would identify and trace the vehicle owner....from details received from the issuing organisation.
Neither action involved a court hearing in either jurisdiction.

wally1990

it does state basically is epc can enforce a court order if requested on behalf of the nra i assume if they decicde to impose the charges for the uk reg,, im not here to fight but i dont want to stare people down the wrong path and say dont pay. Thats is just "stupid" to do as you could land yourself in trouble. Either just paying the toll instead of been chased and then gettin fines and saying oh well i didnt pay because its a uk reg, thats just stupid and they will enforce the law. Im not saying you said dont pay but if anyone did advise of not paying i think its unfair on the individual asking for advice