white collar mma

reganreggie

Just seen a facebook page for white collar mma, I know the white collar boxing is popular but I think this might be a bit too much for the average joe. Any thoughts?

El Guapo!

reganreggie wrote: »

Just seen a facebook page for white collar mma, I know the white collar boxing is popular but I think this might be a bit too much for the average joe. Any thoughts?

Any links to the page? I can only find one page based in Ireland and the last post was 3 years ago.

I can't see how it could possibly be worked safely.
Even if there was head gear, shin guards, and watered down rules it would still be too dangerous to allow any joe soap in a cage.
When it came to chokes, arm/leg locks etc it becomes too dangerous for somebody who's untrained.
It would have to be watered down so much that it'd be like kickboxing mixed with a small amount of judo.
I couldn't imagine anybody in ther right mind allowing two joe soaps into a cage and allowing elbows, head kicks, knees to the head, submissions.

It'd be a magnet for idiots who've seen one or two UFC events and fancy themselves as the next champ.
The sad thing is though, if it is true, it'll probably be popular with idiots and serious injuries will be inevitable which will then give the sport a bad name.

reganreggie

Its cage knights and is based in Belfast. From what I saw tgey provide training before the fight in the same way as white collar boxing. Its on face book

El Guapo!

Well their friends list includes respected fighters and clubs from all over Ireland so I'd be interested to hear the full details of it and what rules their using etc.

Mellor

El Guapo! wrote: »

I can't see how it could possibly be worked safely.
Even if there was head gear, shin guards, and watered down rules it would still be too dangerous to allow any joe soap in a cage.
When it came to chokes, arm/leg locks etc it becomes too dangerous for somebody who's untrained.
It would have to be watered down so much that it'd be like kickboxing mixed with a small amount of judo.
I couldn't imagine anybody in ther right mind allowing two joe soaps into a cage and allowing elbows, head kicks, knees to the head, submissions.

It obviously wouldn't be using the full unified rules. I imagine it uses MMA league or maybe amateur MMA or combat grappling rules. I can't see how it would be anymore dangerous than somebody having a go at MMA league/amateur etc. With white collar boxing events people normally but in 8-12 weeks training, so not totally untrained guys going at it, it'd essentially be an MMA league exhibition night.

I think its a terrible idea as the standard would be so poor that it would be white collar boxing plus wrestling. But I don't think safety would be a massive concern.

El Guapo!

Mellor wrote: »

It obviously wouldn't be using the full unified rules. I imagine it uses MMA league or maybe amateur MMA or combat grappling rules. I can't see how it would be anymore dangerous than somebody having a go at MMA league/amateur etc. With white collar boxing events people normally but in 8-12 weeks training, so not totally untrained guys going at it, it'd essentially be an MMA league exhibition night.

I think its a terrible idea as the standard would be so poor that it would be white collar boxing plus wrestling. But I don't think safety would be a massive concern.

Yeah that's why I was wondering what rules they are using. There's no info on their page or their website.
I think safety would be a fairly big concern but again it all depends on the rule set being used and the level of training received before talking part.

Mellor

Facebook page is only up a week, and the website even less, www.cageknights.com.
They mention rules without detailing them. I'd imagine its one of the toned down rules sets.
Also mention a compulsory training regime

the drifter

"become a knight"..............ah jesus lads.

cowzerp

I've been asked to run 1 of these a lot lately and have not bit, I'd be interested to know what club is involved in this as if it's going to happen I'd hate to think it was been run by some cowboy club.

pablohoney87

cowzerp wrote: »

I've been asked to run 1 of these a lot lately and have not bit, I'd be interested to know what club is involved in this as if it's going to happen I'd hate to think it was been run by some cowboy club.

I'd be very worried about any "white collar" night with any head contact. White collar boxing they use 16oz gloves I think. Maybe 14 but nobofy's gonna get hurt or cut bad.

cowzerp

You'd easily get knocked out with 16oz gloves, the head guards stop the cuts

I'd be more worried about people not knowing how to defend arm bars, shoulde locks Etc.

pablohoney87

cowzerp wrote: »

You'd easily get knocked out with 16oz gloves, the head guards stop the cuts

Ive never seen anything close to it in fairness. Maybe a trained boxer could ko someone but someone with 8-12 weeks training?

Jason McCabe

Any respectable club would not touch this with a barge pole

The white collar boxing has become a joke. I have no problem with two GAA clubs boxing each other for charity but I know lads who have multiple fights and even fight for belts

Why not join a boxing club and fight at amateur?

reganreggie

My biggest thing would be one fella knowing how to finish an arm bar or kimora from watching youtube and snapping the other guys arm before the ref can stop him

manga_10

Honestly sounds kind of retarded.:D

Be like Nutella

4-6 Oz gloves on anyone with 8-10 weeks training with head shots allowed is too bleeding stupid to even entertain as a concept... and without head shots allowed would be like watching a poor MMA league fight but at least it wouldn't be dangerous and wouldn't taint the sport.
White collar MMA league type events would be fun for the lads/girls competing if they had decent training 3 times a week for a few months up to their fight and if for charity then who cares, more power to them.... but head shots with cage gloves for newbies...deffo not clever.

Dtp79

One things for sure, they're gonna need a ref who knows their stuff.... As in, when's that arm gonna snap!

arybvtcw0eolkf

If there's a buck to be made you can bet your life, sanctioning or not someone will try promote it.

Whatever about boxing/kickboxing or kratty I fail to see how anyone can water down judo/bjj/wrestling and still make it safe for a newbie.

Dtp79

Romina Many Toffee wrote: »

If there's a buck to be made you can bet your life, sanctioning or not someone will try promote it.

Whatever about boxing/kickboxing or kratty I fail to see how anyone can water down judo/bjj/wrestling and still make it safe for a newbie.

It can't be watered down. That's why they need a good ref to literally babysit them when they fight

Stillweak

Hi Guys

I will be promoting a white collar mma event in Dublin in 12 weeks.
If you have any questions about rules or training or are interested in taking part please ask here.

pablohoney87

Stillweak wrote: »

Hi Guys

I will be promoting a white collar mma event in Dublin in 12 weeks.
If you have any questions about rules or training or are interested in taking part please ask here.

Dtp79 wrote: »

It can't be watered down. That's why they need a good ref to literally babysit them when they fight

WHat ref/clubs/judges have you gotten on board?

nino1

Stillweak wrote: »

Hi Guys

I will be promoting a white collar mma event in Dublin in 12 weeks.
If you have any questions about rules or training or are interested in taking part please ask here.

What are the rules?

Stillweak

WHat ref/clubs/judges have you gotten on board?

Ref not confirmed yet. Still in talks with an experienced guy.

No clubs involved as this is an event to be entered as an individual.

Im going to judge myself with the two other coaches.

Stillweak

nino1 wrote: »

What are the rules?

Unified mma rules with one major exception, no elbows. safety first

nino1

Stillweak wrote: »

WHat ref/clubs/judges have you gotten on board?

Ref not confirmed yet. Still in talks with an experienced guy.

No clubs involved as this is an event to be entered as an individual.

Im going to judge myself with the two other coaches.

What's your mma background?

Stillweak

Shotokan Karate 5 years

Muay Thai in Bangkok 3 weeks ( met master toddy )

Blue belt in bjj

pablohoney87

Stillweak wrote: »

Shotokan Karate 5 years

Muay Thai in Bangkok 3 weeks ( met master toddy )

Blue belt in bjj

So no MMA background?

Dancor

Stillweak wrote: »

WHat ref/clubs/judges have you gotten on board?

Ref not confirmed yet. Still in talks with an experienced guy.

No clubs involved as this is an event to be entered as an individual.

Im going to judge myself with the two other coaches.

Who are you? who are the other coaches?

Stillweak wrote: »

Blue belt in bjj

Under who?

theboxingclinic

Lads he's winding you up

Mellor

Stillweak wrote: »

Unified mma rules with one major exception, no elbows. safety first

So you are allowing strikes on the ground. Strikes to the head. No headgear, no shin pads.
What size gloves?

Ill wait until you confirm before I say anymore.

theboxingclinic

Ill say it a different way, lads hes taking the piss

Stillweak

Mellor wrote: »

So you are allowing strikes on the ground. Strikes to the head. No headgear, no shin pads.
What size gloves?

Ill wait until you confirm before I say anymore.

What gloves?

arybvtcw0eolkf

Stillweak wrote: »

What gloves?

You can stop posting in this thread now, thank you.

reganreggie

Gloves