plumber/ carbon monoxide death

scudo2

I don't think any post/ opinions should be posted by us professionals till the case is over due to legal reasons in relation to the tragic death in the Trident Hotel Kinsale till after the case is over. If thats ok with you. I'll comment afterwards.MD

corkplumber

I could not agree more. Maybe this case will set a precedent for the future and RGII might take more action in relation to issues been reported to them. Rather than do what there good at.

Anyone know what they are good at? Other than lining their own pockets.

corkplumber

speaking with a lad tonight , He told myself the contractor that is charged with this offence. did not carry out the works. it was an employee.

shane0007

corkplumber wrote: »

speaking with a lad tonight , He told myself the contractor that is charged with this offence. did not carry out the works. it was an employee.

If he completed & signed the Cert, he then took full responsibility for the installation, declaring that everything to do with the works meets the requirements of the regulations. Certs are very clear on how they are worded & what you signing responsibility for.
It is therefore up to that person to ensure that what they are declaring is true & never sign for works that was not completed/checked by that person.

corkplumber

shane0007 wrote: »

If he completed & signed the Cert, he then took full responsibility for the installation, declaring that everything to do with the works meets the requirements of the regulations. Certs are very clear on how they are worded & what you signing responsibility for.
It is therefore up to that person to ensure that what they are declaring is true & never sign for works that was not completed/checked by that person.

that might frighten of the lads signing the certs for the lads not registered. I know one lad myself does this for 50 euro and I know hes been reported to RGII. but no action taken by RGII and he still supplies his cert and signature.

However in relation to the above. I do not think any cert was involved. Its all based on I said/ He said. However the contractor took on the job. I believe he handed himself in rather than be arrested.

shane0007

Everything really is hearsay, so until all facts are disclosed in a Court of Law, as originally suggested, it is probably best to leave well alone until then. It could be potentially very distressing for people close to any of persons affected.

corkplumber

shane0007 wrote: »

Everything really is hearsay, so until all facts are disclosed in a Court of Law, as originally suggested, it is probably best to leave well alone until then. It could be potentially very distressing for people close to any of persons affected.

I Just thought id add that bit of info. as i originally thought it was the contractor that carried out the repairs himself .

However there is a loss of life and a family griefing and a court case in progress. So I totally agree.

paddyc310

Signing the Certs can be very serious It's ok until something happens,,

corkgsxr

paddyc310 wrote: »

Signing the Certs can be very serious It's ok until something happens,,

Id say youd be amazed how many never check the work before signing.

.jacksparrow.

To be honest was a cert even needed on this installation as it was over the kw limit required for a cert.

That's the madness of it all, there is no law or regulations for industrial and commercial installations.

The mind boggles.

Dtp79

.jacksparrow. wrote: »

To be honest was a cert even needed on this installation as it was over the kw limit required for a cert.

That's the madness of it all, there is no law or regulations for industrial and commercial installations.

The mind boggles.

There will be soon thankfully. But I agree it is crazy that there isn't at the moment

shane0007

.jacksparrow. wrote: »

That's the madness of it all, there is no law or regulations for industrial and commercial installations.

The mind boggles.

There is law & regulation. It's called IS820. There is just no authority monitoring it or enforcing it.

.jacksparrow.

Dtp79 wrote: »

There will be soon thankfully. But I agree it is crazy that there isn't at the moment

Some of the stuff I have seen non domestic is crazy. You're working with much higher volumes pressure etc.

Any idea when its coming in, been hearing it for years. Will it be a case of another money making racket, and every Joe soap will do the course?

.jacksparrow.

shane0007 wrote: »

There is law & regulation. It's called IS820. There is just no authority monitoring it or enforcing it.

That's what I mean. No point having rules if noone is there to enforce them.

I witnessed a investigation process after quite a few workers were badly poisoned needing hospital treatment due to carbon monoxide caused by ventilation issuess for gas appliances. this incident happened shortly after I discovered a open point and leaks on the new gas pipework allowing dangerious amounts of LPG to escape in to a bank of fridges, it's never good when you hear the leak before you find it.

I wrote out a notification of hazard after isolating the supply due to the leaks I found.

After the workers were poisoned there was a "big investigation"(not by RGI) in to why there was numerious gas leaks on a new installation, some of the leaks were found after the gas pipework had been tested after me and turned back on.

No Action was taken and no lessons were learnt as far as I can see, it's shameful how this industry operates and I hate the powers at be for allowing incompetence to flourish putting lives at risk.

Dtp79

gary71 wrote: »

I witnessed a investigation process after quite a few workers were badly poisoned needing hospital treatment due to carbon monoxide caused by ventilation issuess for gas appliances. this incident happened shortly after I discovered a open point and leaks on the new gas pipework allowing dangerious amounts of LPG to escape in to a bank of fridges, it's never good when you hear the leak before you find it.

I wrote out a notification of hazard after isolating the supply due to the leaks I found.

After the workers were poisoned there was a "big investigation"(not by RGI) in to why there was numerious gas leaks on a new installation, some of the leaks were found after the gas pipework had been tested after me and turned back on.

No Action was taken and no lessons were learnt as far as I can see, it's shameful how this industry operates and I hate the powers at be for allowing incompetence to flourish putting lives at risk.

Usually the response to that Gary is that " they'll wait till someone is killed before anything changes" but unfortunately that hasn't been the case

corkplumber

Dtp79 wrote: »

Usually the response to that Gary is that " they'll wait till someone is killed before anything changes" but unfortunately that hasn't been the case

hit the nail on the head. ITS SHOCKING TO THINK A FATALITY HAS TO HAPPEN FOR THE OBVIOUS TO TAKE PLACE.