I thought a serious record would bar you from entering the USA

WilyCoyote

How did this fellow slip past Homeland Security at Dublin Airport?
Gangster's home shot up in 2am revenge attack


Ken Foy – 08 June 2013 07:00 AM
There are fears of a major escalation in gangland tensions after the home of a notorious criminal was shot up just minutes after a sledgehammer attack on a house owned by a rival.
Our photo shows the sitting- room window of the family home of gangster Paul Rice (43) in Mayberry Park, Tallaght, just hours after yesterday's gun attack at 2.15am.
Sources say Rice was in the house, having returned from the US earlier this week.
"This is a very significant development. Rice will not take kindly to his home being shot up and gardai are working on the theory that the shooting is linked to an earlier attack on a house in Dublin 12," a source said.
TARGET
Half an hour earlier, thugs attacked the property in Dublin 12 and are suspected of using a sledgehammer to break in the door of the property, as well as throwing a stone through a window.
The intended target of the attack – a man in his late 30s who is originally from Cabra – was not there at the time.
The trafficker has been the prime target of Operation Vulcan, which led to seven arrests and 30 searches in February 2012.
"This seems like a tit-for-tat situation and that is a big worry," said a source.
Paul Rice and his crew, who include Gerard 'Hatchet' Kavanagh, previously told slain Real IRA gang boss Alan Ryan to "f*** off" when the RIRA came looking for protection money in 2011.
But he has also ran into "serious bother" with the new IRA alliance, which has been trying to extort cash from him and even put him on top of a death list earlier this year.
Rice had been enlisted by Ireland's richest international drugs syndicate to try to recoup hundreds of thousands of euros that is owed to them.
Christy Kinahan's organisation had turned to Rice and he embarked on a campaign of intimidation.
However, there is speculation that Rice is no longer working with the Kinahan mob, which could change the entire dynamic of drugs gang activity in the capital, say sources.
ROBBERY
Rice's most serious conviction was when he was jailed for 10 years in July 1995 after pleading guilty to the robbery of a bank in which shots were fired.
He escaped on horseback after the hold-up and a security guard was kicked and beaten with a lump hammer.
Rice's most serious brush with gardai since his release from prison came when he was arrested by gardai investigating a kidnap and torture incident at a house in Lucan in October 2010.
The victim was beaten and scalded with boiling water, but refused to complain to gardai.
The man had been abducted from his home near Magherafelt, Co Derry, and then brought to a house in Dublin.
He managed to escape from the property at Tandy's Lane, in Lucan, after his captors fell asleep.
The kidnap victim staggered to Lucan Garda Station half-naked and covered in blood and raised the alarm.
Three men were arrested.
Rice was released after spending two days in garda custody and will not face charges in relation to the incident.

Ponster

I thought a serious record would bar you from entering the USA

Not if you don't mention it when applying for the ESTA.

Overheal

Maybe I'm just stupid-tired, but I don't see the USA bit in this story

IM0

source mofo aka link

IM0

WilyCoyote wrote: »

How did this fellow slip past Homeland Security at Dublin Airport?

cause he had lots of sausages with him?

Ava_e

A serious criminal record, then how come One Direction were allowed into the US ?

TheLastMohican

Overheal wrote: »

Maybe I'm just stupid-tired, but I don't see the USA bit in this story

I guess you're tired. Not for not seeing the USA in the story but for not being able to understand that the US = USA.

Have a nice day.:)

Seachmall

Probably allowed to holiday but not work or live there.

Wacker The Attacker

nice bit of an oul criminal

WilyCoyote

Overheal wrote: »

Maybe I'm just stupid-tired, but I don't see the USA bit in this story

Look again after you take your siesta. US

IM0 wrote: »

source mofo aka link

Sorry. http://www.herald.ie/news/gangsters-home-shot-up-in-2am-revenge-attack-29330188.html

Ponster

Seachmall wrote: »

Probably allowed to holiday but not work or live there.

A robbery disqualifies you from the automatic visa that the Irish and most Europeans get. In this case you can only get one after the embassy has validated one (for visiting, not working/living)

WilyCoyote

Ponster wrote: »

A robbery disqualifies you from the automatic visa that the Irish and most Europeans get. In this case you can only get one after the embassy has validated one (for visiting, not working/living)

This was also my opinion. So, does this successful criminal have friends in high places or are Homeland Security asleep on the job?

Killer Wench

I don't believe you would have to do a serious background check if you were just coming here for a visit. Your name may be referenced against a no-fly list or no-entry list, so if this guy hasn't done anything that would be perceived as a threat against the US, I can't imagine why he wouldn't be able to enter.

WilyCoyote

I have read several reports of lawyers asking for "donation to charity" to be the penalty instead of fine/record as the latter would impact on his client's ability to visit America.

Ponster

WilyCoyote wrote: »

So, does this successful criminal have friends in high places or are Homeland Security asleep on the job?

Nope. The Garda don't share any records with the TSA. If someone applies for the visa online and says that they haven't been arrested and charged with any crimes that would invalidate them, there is no background check as such and the visa is granted.

Edit : Killer Wench has it right. You would need to be on a US no-fly or watch list in order for the visa application to flag you.

Overheal

TheLastMohican wrote: »

I guess you're tired. Not for not seeing the USA in the story but for not being able to understand that the US = USA.

Have a nice day.:)

WilyCoyote wrote: »

Look again after you take your siesta. US


Sorry. http://www.herald.ie/news/gangsters-home-shot-up-in-2am-revenge-attack-29330188.html

Again, I still see why this is a discussion about Homeland Security. He was leaving the United States, not entering it. The failure would be in Irish immigration services, thats if Paul Rice had a criminal record.

JonEBGud

Didn't stop Daniel O'Donnell. . .

MadsL

You need a police background check for every country you have ever lived in for a resident visa.

Tourists self-declare.

seamus

Overheal wrote: »

Again, I still see why this is a discussion about Homeland Security. He was leaving the United States, not entering it. The failure would be in Irish immigration services, thats if Paul Rice had a criminal record.

He had to get into the US in the first place

As said above, the only way you can get caught on a tourist visa is if you're stupid enough to admit to having committed a crime, or if you were convicted in the US.

I remember an old classmate telling the story of his uncle flying into the US for the '94 World Cup. He thought the questions on the immigration form were so completely ridiculous that it would be hilarious to claim that yes he was carrying a nuclear weapon and yes had previous convictions for being an international superspy.

Different times though, he was detained and made sweat for a few hours when they landed, but they let him into the country. Nowadays you'd probably spend a few days in a jail before being sent straight home again.

TheLastMohican

Overheal wrote: »

Again, I still see why this is a discussion about Homeland Security. He was leaving the United States, not entering it. The failure would be in Irish immigration services, thats if Paul Rice had a criminal record.

He must have entered at some time

endacl

Ava_e wrote: »

A serious criminal record, then how come One Direction were allowed into the US ?

First offence. And they can't be tried as adults.

Overheal

seamus wrote: »

He had to get into the US in the first place

But there's nothing in this article about this person having committed any crimes/felonys prior to traveling to the US

seamus

Overheal wrote: »

But there's nothing in this article about this person having committed any crimes/felonys prior to traveling to the US

C'mon Overheal, are you being deliberately obtuse here?

Rice's most serious conviction was when he was jailed for 10 years in July 1995 after pleading guilty to the robbery of a bank in which shots were fired.

I'm not sure why you're taking such great offence to the OP?

Freddy Smelly

cia is probably hacking into boards as we speak. expect mass refusals at the us border

LiamMc

I understand the passenger travelled/traveled on a visa-waiver.
Ambassador Jean Kennedy-Smith, the most important influence on bureaucrats since the writing of the Irish Constitution.

Overheal

seamus wrote: »

I'm not sure why you're taking such great offence to the OP?

Im not? Missed that.

Doubtfully applies to immigration but in most cases if you serve the time for a sentence you don't have to declare it, say on a job application.