Carbon monoxide death ( My Sister)

scudo2

To all fellow installers, if you can all read the attachment, I would appericate it.
Hopefully this shall never happen to any member of your family or clients.

This is the reason I get totally pee'd off and sometimes loose the rag when I come across totally dangerous indoor oil boilers (Total understament) as I'm fulltime servicing on oil boilers and nothing else I get fustrated that there is not an orginasation like RGII (even with all it's faults and failings) to report these cowboys to and get a conviction.
I'm also RGII registered even tho I haven't gone near gas in years, I'ts just to keep my qualification valid and stay within the law.
Had great hopes for OFTEC when I first joined in 1997, another toothless orginasition, I'm OFTEC qualified and still am but I couldn't bother paying to be registered to as I personally think is another lot of broken promises and toothless orgnisation that hasen't lived up to it's full potental. I've seen all your debates on RGII and OFTEC and am not trying to start another debate. I just wish that we had proper enforcment, experiance (years not day's) and qualifacations across the trades.
Thanks,
MD

JohnnieK

My deepest condolences to you and your family.

I completely agree with you on this. I would be on the other side of the spectrum to you. Most of my customers would be gas with a handful of oil ones.

I got my oftec a couple of years ago but never joined the organisation.I have seen more dangerous oil installations out there than gas to be honest more so on environmental grounds.

I think its because it's a liquid and can been seen that people dont treat it with the respect it deserves.

Robbie.G

scudo2 wrote: »

To all fellow installers, if you can all read the attachment, I would appericate it.

Hopefully this shall never happen to any member of your family or clients.

This is the reason I get totally pee'd off and sometimes loose the rag when I come across totally dangerous indoor oil boilers (Total understament) as I'm fulltime servicing on oil boilers and nothing else I get fustrated that there is not an orginasation like RGII (even with all it's faults and failings) to report these cowboys to and get a conviction.
I'm also RGII registered even tho I haven't gone near gas in years, I'ts just to keep my qualification valid and stay within the law.
Had great hopes for OFTEC when I first joined in 1997, another toothless orginasition, I'm OFTEC qualified and still am but I couldn't bother paying to be registered to as I personally think is another lot of broken promises and toothless orgnisation that hasen't lived up to it's full potental. I've seen all your debates on RGII and OFTEC and am not trying to start another debate. I just wish that we had proper enforcment, experiance (years not day's) and qualifacations across the trades.
Thanks,
MD

Words cant say what you must feel and no words could console you.
People here( Diyers ) that think fitting solid fuel stoves messing with their oil boilers and so on think these are DIY jobs they havnt a clue that solid fuel is the most dangers on form of heating and it really gets my goat.

DGOBS

OP, in process trying to get ROII (Registered Oil Installers of Ireland) off the ground, have been working hard behind the scenes talking to manufacturers etc and hope to open for registration before the end of the year.

The main aim will be to get more than 1000 members, this will allow us to lobby government (and the CER) to regulate this industry (ala RGII) and move forward

Would love your input, feel free to pm me or ring me, Tony

paddy147

Robbie.G wrote: »

Words cant say what you must feel and no words could console you.
People here( Diyers ) that think fitting solid fuel stoves messing with their oil boilers and so on think these are DIY jobs they havnt a clue that solid fuel is the most dangers on form of heating and it really gets my goat.

And professional plumbers too....the chap who has been charged with the manslaughter of the lady who died in a Cork hotel.


http://www.irishexaminer.com/ireland/plumber-charged-over-kinsale-hotel-death-233388.html


http://www.rte.ie/news/2013/0605/454796-cork-court/

Robbie.G

paddy147 wrote: »

And professional plumbers too....the chap who has been charged with the manslaughter of the lady who died in a Cork hotel.


http://www.irishexaminer.com/ireland/plumber-charged-over-kinsale-hotel-death-233388.html


http://www.rte.ie/news/2013/0605/454796-cork-court/

I was saying people that think its a DIY job it's far from DIY.And yes the plumber in cork is an Rgi and if the death is found to be his fault he will be dealt with accordingly.

corkplumber

My deepest condolences to you and your family.


I did hear a while back that metac where joining up with oftec to create ROII.


I do not know how much truth is in that or even if that metac training place is any good.

But its better to have the oil industry regulated than not regulated.

Dtp79

DGOBS wrote: »

OP, in process trying to get ROII (Registered Oil Installers of Ireland) off the ground, have been working hard behind the scenes talking to manufacturers etc and hope to open for registration before the end of the year.

The main aim will be to get more than 1000 members, this will allow us to lobby government (and the CER) to regulate this industry (ala RGII) and move forward

Would love your input, feel free to pm me or ring me, Tony

Keep us all updated on that tony

jimf

Dtp79 wrote: »

Keep us all updated on that tony

+1

.jacksparrow.

DGOBS wrote: »

OP, in process trying to get ROII (Registered Oil Installers of Ireland) off the ground, have been working hard behind the scenes talking to manufacturers etc and hope to open for registration before the end of the year.

The main aim will be to get more than 1000 members, this will allow us to lobby government (and the CER) to regulate this industry (ala RGII) and move forward

Would love your input, feel free to pm me or ring me, Tony

What's the main aim of this idea?

scudo2

I'm not to impressed with METAC's website as I've just looked them up for the first time now. When you look up cources you will also see a section for hobbies, in that you will see "oil burner servicing" I can't find out any details, but to me that says enough. Nobody should be let near boiler without years of experience in the trade ie plumbing or similar and a combustion analizer.
I've lately had to fix a dangerous boiler that the house holder learnt how to service it himself on a night class for DIYers Carriagline Community School.
Will people not learn that it's just as easy to kill your own family as it is to kill somebody elses.

If there was a minister for "safety in the home" who was solely responsible in making sure we were safe in our homes I think then things might change but while we only deal with the installer and not the system that gave him the platform to endanger others, then this life ending stupidity will keep repeating itself.

Training, policing and prosecution will help reduce deaths in the home, set the bar high, give access to real training and qualifications, give the consumer access to independent home safety inspectors free of any politics with the power to order retraining on any installer not meeting the grade, proactively police the industries instead of waiting for death and destruction .

The systems we have in place does not work and people are at risk because of it, the lack of interest in doing things correctly and to a given standard only helps those who shouldn't be in working in that industry.

scudo2

Can't comment on Kinsale/Triident Hotel carbon monoxide death. And I don't think any of us professionals should do till the case is over for legal reasons. I've my own opinions.Will comment after .MD./scudo2

_Whimsical_

I am very very sorry for your loss Scudo2.That is such a terrible tragedy.

Five years ago my mum had a boiler installed that she was told was top of the range by a supposedly top class plumber... he charged accordingly. She had constant trouble with the boiler and just by chance bought a Carbon Monoxide alarm. During one of the boilers little fits the alarm went off one day, she called the plumber, he came in an examined it and said to ignore the alarm it must've been faulty. She bought another alarm and used the boiler that night and the new alarm went off. This time she called another plumber and he said it was a dreadful and dangerous installation. We got the opinion of three other plumbers who agreed. The whole thing was 4k down the drain and had to be refitted costing a further 4k.At that point we had no money to take the case to a solicitor

The thing is no place was interested in us reporting the initial plumber and none of the other plumbers who condemned the job would agree to put pen to paper to back up the complaint because they didn't want any awkwardness with this guy themselves. We even paid for a private engineer to do a report on it in case it might be useful in stopping this guy doing the same shoddy work elsewhere. I absolutely shudder to think that this guy is still fitting boilers in the Galway area and he is.To loose so much money was awful but it was nothing to what we might have lost. I'd really hope that other plumbers and fitters would be willing to give their opinions to report cases such as this,be intolerant of poor standards among their peers and that people start taking the threat of carbon monoxide seriously. It's just too dangerous to let something like it slide for the sake of social niceties.

corkplumber

@whimsiacal. Did you report this to RGI and if you did what was there response?

scudo2

Hi Thanks to everyone who read my post and family story and hopefully this shall make everybody more aware. To the best of my knowledge I have never left a dangerous oil boiler working ( I hope) but now and again I've had to cut the wires and walk out the door if costomers are to dense to listen and I've often heard those famous words " O your only trying to make money out of me, the last guy said it was perfect"