Santa Monica Shooting.

LowKeyReturn

What is it with US colleges and shootings?

Before people start on the anti-gun rant, there are plenty of places with lots of guns this doesn't happen.

Is it time to ban colleges?

Scruffles

for the benefit of the OP who forgot to link and anyone to lazy/stoned/drunk to google,heres sky news version on the story- http://news.sky.com/story/1100901/santa-monica-shooting-six-dead-five-hurt

ban guns-give everyone pugil sticks,sorted.

Seachmall

Has anyone considered a ban on shooting people?

It seems like a more direct approach than banning guns or colleges if I'm being honest.

NegativeCreep

Why can't everyone just get along?

General General

Technically, it's the bullet that's the real problem.

MadsL

LowKeyReturn wrote: »

What is it with US colleges and shootings?

Before people start on the anti-gun rant, there are plenty of places with lots of guns this doesn't happen.

Is it time to ban colleges?

If you are an active shooter, it kinda makes sense to go to a place where guns are banned, like a school or college, doncha think?

moc moc a moc

Ban Americans.

At this stage i dont know who is more crazy, the Talaban or the Americans.

JonEBGud

LowKeyReturn wrote: »

What is it with US colleges and shootings?

.

Is it time to ban colleges?

Yes.
Then ban education.
Then ban dodgy parents.
Then ban gun control.
Then ban whateveryoulike.

KyussBishop

Not looking at the bigger picture here: It's not the gun that kills people, it's the people shooting the gun, so you've got to ban people. Once you get rid of all the people, you get rid of the majority of crime and most other socioeconomic problems as well; genius.

JonEBGud

Seachmall wrote: »

Has anyone considered a ban on shooting people?

It seems like a more direct approach than banning guns or colleges if I'm being honest.

There is a ban on shooting people.

666irishguy

Absolutely zero ability to self analyze and admit their way of doing things is wrong and a gun lobby that can control elected officials. That's why these things keep happening. It's also the fact that it is now part of the culture in the States to get your automatic rifle or handgun and shoot up a load of civilians when you want to get back at the world or for whatever reason. The media's trend to turn these things into a week long rolling news spectacle with updates like you would see at a sports event doesn't help either. News has to be reported, but only the cops investigating really only need to know every detail and event. They could just wait a few months and do a really detailed documentary on it instead of turning it into live coverage of shooting number: (whatever number it is). I honestly think that style of reporting just validates the next psycho's belief he is going to get back at the whole world when he goes on his spree.

Rabies

KyussBishop wrote: »

Not looking at the bigger picture here: It's not the gun that kills people, it's the people shooting the gun, so you've got to ban people. Once you get rid of all the people, you get rid of the majority of crime and most other socioeconomic problems as well; genius.

Can we shoot them?

Sinfonia

Jesus, I was only there last week.
19 people were shot at a Mother's Day parade in New Orleans while I was there too.

Seachmall

Deleted User wrote: »

At this stage i dont know who is more crazy, the Talaban or the Americans.

I agree, the ban on talas was a very unusual. Did nothing to curb school shootings as far as I can tell.

StinkyMunkey

Think the only real solution is every one carries a gun at all times, that way when the shooting starts, you can go shoot **** up.

FanadMan

Think what causes most of these shootings in the US is extremely lax gun laws, poor parenting/supervision and bullying/stress on students. If the first two were sorted, there would be no problems seeing as most of the guns used were gotten at home......so if the gun laws were better and the parents were better there would be less problems with the students which would lead to less problems in the schools.

pabloh999

666irishguy wrote: »

Absolutely zero ability to self analyze and admit their way of doing things is wrong and a gun lobby that can control elected officials. That's why these things keep happening. It's also the fact that it is now part of the culture in the States to get your automatic rifle or handgun and shoot up a load of civilians when you want to get back at the world or for whatever reason. The media's trend to turn these things into a week long rolling news spectacle with updates like you would see at a sports event doesn't help either. News has to be reported, but only the cops investigating really only need to know every detail and event. They could just wait a few months and do a really detailed documentary on it instead of turning it into live coverage of shooting number: (whatever number it is). I honestly think that style of reporting just validates the next psycho's belief he is going to get back at the whole world when he goes on his spree.

I wanna shoot some paragraphs in there

Manic Moran

LowKeyReturn wrote: »

What is it with US colleges and shootings?

We have a lot of colleges.

This wasn't a college shooting, this was a run which started in someone's house, went up the street, and finished in the local community college where the police finally caught up with him.

Think the only real solution is every one carries a gun at all times, that way when the shooting starts, you can go shoot **** up.

Pretty much.

Los Angeles County (the county in which Santa Monica is located) has licensed (as of 2011) 220 people who are not sworn police officers (So this includes politicians, judges, actors, and friends of the Sheriff) to be armed as they go about their business. Considering the size of the county's population (9.9 million), that's pretty much nobody.

Of course, being a community college, they probably have a 'no firearms' policy anyway, which will keep everyone safe.

minidazzler

FanadMan wrote: »

Think what causes most of these shootings in the US is extremely lax gun laws, poor parenting/supervision and bullying/stress on students. If the first two were sorted, there would be no problems seeing as most of the guns used were gotten at home......so if the gun laws were better and the parents were better there would be less problems with the students which would lead to less problems in the schools.

Alot of these shootings are caused by media sensationalism. The media turn the perpetrators into infamous villains who are known by everyone, while the victims are forgotten.

If it weren't for the way the media report these shootings the people that commit them would be far more likely to just kill themselves in their basement alone, rather than trying to take a bunch of innocent people with them...

Shootings like this are not terrorism, they are just a way for needy little sh1ts to hit back against societies perceived injustices. There's no reason other than to be noticed.

michellie

JonEBGud wrote: »

There is a ban on shooting people.

What? Seriously?

ringadingding

Why not get all guns to shoot at the shooter


NEXT

wexfordman2

KyussBishop wrote: »

Not looking at the bigger picture here: It's not the gun that kills people, it's the people shooting the gun, so you've got to ban people. Once you get rid of all the people, you get rid of the majority of crime and most other socioeconomic problems as well; genius.

Google vehm, the voluntary human extinction Movement, they seem to have it sussed. Heard about them via some AR 'enthusiasts'

Skill Magill

General General wrote: »

Technically, it's the bullet that's the real problem.

Technically our skin isn't hard enough to deflect the bullet is the problem

PizzamanIRL

The situation unfolded about three miles (5km) from where President Barack Obama was appearing at a fundraiser, but the Secret Service said the incident did not affect his trip aside from his motorcade route being slightly altered.

Well Thank God for that. We can all sleep happily tonight.

LowKeyReturn

Skill Magill wrote: »

Technically our skin isn't hard enough to deflect the bullet is the problem

If people are suggesting that one should carry a side arm at all times surely it's equally as valid to always wear a bullet proof vest. The bullet proof vest wouldn't be an issue even now would it legally? Surely this is a good solution. Everyone in America should have to wear a bullet proof vest. It might even help with the obesity epidemic.

I'd suggest a kevlar helmet too but that might be construed as taking things too far.

Do they make bullet proof trousers?

Seachmall

LowKeyReturn wrote: »

If people are suggesting that one should carry a side arm at all times surely it's equally as valid to always wear a bullet proof vest. The bullet proof vest wouldn't be an issue even now would it legally? Surely this is a good solution. Everyone in America should have to wear a bullet proof vest. It might even help with the obesity epidemic.

I'd suggest a kevlar helmet too but that might be construed as taking things too far.

Do they make bullet proof trousers?

I see what you're getting at but does someone carrying a weapon make them more paranoid than me carrying a first aid kit in my car?

I mean I've never used the first aid kit, and probably never will. Most people get just by without having one but I like to have one just in case.

Am I a paranoid fool?

LowKeyReturn

Seachmall wrote: »

I see what you're getting at but does someone carrying a weapon make them more paranoid than me carrying a first aid kit in my car?

I mean I've never used the first aid kit, and probably never will. Most people get just by without having one but I like to have one just in case.

Am I a paranoid fool?

Not at all but the car analogy is a good one. Everyone needs a car to get about, but they can kill. So we insist (I know not every state in the US does) that people wear seat belts. Bullet proof vests are a gun culture's seat belts.

Can we create a News forum, where things like this are posted, but the ability to post or discuss are removed? Threads like this go on for far too long, way after the fact, and always descend into the exact same arguments.

garv123

Herb Powell

Deleted User wrote: »

At this stage i dont know who is more crazy, the Talaban or the Americans.

Guess who funded the Taliban?



OP, there are other places with guns, but nowhere in the *developed world are they more pervasive than in America. The USA is an incredibly violent place.

Manic Moran

LowKeyReturn wrote: »

If people are suggesting that one should carry a side arm at all times surely it's equally as valid to always wear a bullet proof vest. The bullet proof vest wouldn't be an issue even now would it legally? Surely this is a good solution. Everyone in America should have to wear a bullet proof vest. It might even help with the obesity epidemic.

I'd suggest a kevlar helmet too but that might be construed as taking things too far.

Do they make bullet proof trousers?

In California, it is legal to wear body armour unless you are a felon or are committing a crime (They want the police to be able to shoot you). Nobody said CA's laws made sense.

mangochavez

The solution is to ban life. Everyone strangle eachother. Then mah feelin's won't get hurt.

darced

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120_Minutes

I was for gun control until this weeks surveillance revelations. now, if they had stricter gun laws, how would the common folk rise up against the impending police state?

that country is getting more ****ed by the day.

StinkyMunkey

Manic Moran wrote: »

We have a lot of colleges.

This wasn't a college shooting, this was a run which started in someone's house, went up the street, and finished in the local community college where the police finally caught up with him.



Pretty much.

Los Angeles County (the county in which Santa Monica is located) has licensed (as of 2011) 220 people who are not sworn police officers (So this includes politicians, judges, actors, and friends of the Sheriff) to be armed as they go about their business. Considering the size of the county's population (9.9 million), that's pretty much nobody.

Of course, being a community college, they probably have a 'no firearms' policy anyway, which will keep everyone safe.

Why not have AK's or AR's in break glass units around schools. Every school should have an armoury, that way when **** goes down you can arm everyone. And you could sew body armour into school uniforms! And to be sure, make sure all ammunition is hollow point/armour piercing.

minidazzler

StinkyMunkey wrote: »

And to be sure, make sure all ammunition is hollow point/armour piercing.

OK, whatever about the rest of your dumb post.... this is just so wrong I can't let it go. Hollow points and AP rounds are two completely different and pretty much mutually exclusive things. Armour Piercing have to be solid lumps of metal with a usually sharp tip to actually you know.... pierce.... They'll go through an object or person and keep on truckin

Hollow points are exactly that, Hollow on the tip so that on impact they completely change shape and don't go too far through whatever you are shooting. They should get stuck in the target, (i.e. The armour) given they don't have armour piercing capability.

StinkyMunkey

minidazzler wrote: »

OK, whatever about the rest of your dumb post.... this is just so wrong I can't let it go. Hollow points and AP rounds are two completely different and pretty much mutually exclusive things. Armour Piercing have to be solid lumps of metal with a usually sharp tip to actually you know.... pierce.... They'll go through an object or person and keep on truckin

Hollow points are exactly that, Hollow on the tip so that on impact they completely change shape and don't go too far through whatever you are shooting. They should get stuck in the target, (i.e. The armour) given they don't have armour piercing capability.

No **** Sherlock!

BattleCorp

666irishguy wrote: »

It's also the fact that it is now part of the culture in the States to get your automatic rifle or handgun and shoot up a load of civilians when you want to get back at the world or for whatever reason.

Easy to get an automatic rifle in The States you say. Fact, you say. Check your facts. They can be gotten with great difficulty in some states and not at all in others. What is allowed over there are semi automatic firearms. We have semi automatic firearms over here too and guess what, no school shootings (and yes, I am aware that this wasn't really a school shooting).

The media's trend to turn these things into a week long rolling news spectacle with updates like you would see at a sports event doesn't help either.

I will agree with you here. The fcuked up kids over there seem to be fame obsessed at any cost. Shoot up a school and you are famous, can't deny that. And newspapers spouting crap about it being "the worst shooting in the State etc." only serves to set targets for nutcases.

MadYaker

Anyone else think that the perpetrators of these attacks receiving such a huge media spotlight might be motivation for some?

BattleCorp

MadYaker wrote: »

Anyone else think that the perpetrators of these attacks receiving such a huge media spotlight might be motivation for some?

^^^^^^^^^^^^^

Yup.

666irishguy

BattleCorp wrote: »

Easy to get an automatic rifle in The States you say. Fact, you say. Check your facts. They can be gotten with great difficulty in some states and not at all in others. What is allowed over there are semi automatic firearms. We have semi automatic firearms over here too and guess what, no school shootings (and yes, I am aware that this wasn't really a school shooting).

That's why I said automatic rifle or handgun. Thus making my facts correct.

Manic Moran

I don't know. I think you meant automatic rifle or handgun meaning either could be automatic, and thus neither is correct.

pabloh999

minidazzler wrote: »

OK, whatever about the rest of your dumb post.... this is just so wrong I can't let it go. Hollow points and AP rounds are two completely different and pretty much mutually exclusive things. Armour Piercing have to be solid lumps of metal with a usually sharp tip to actually you know.... pierce.... They'll go through an object or person and keep on truckin

Hollow points are exactly that, Hollow on the tip so that on impact they completely change shape and don't go too far through whatever you are shooting. They should get stuck in the target, (i.e. The armour) given they don't have armour piercing capability.

Who gives a f*ck..... None of them should be freely available to every nutjob,whackjob and suicide case

Wompa1

I think the main problem in the United States that causes these kinds of shootings is the fact it's a pressure cooker. There's a constant pressure and emphasis on being successful. Look at the ones that tend to do the shootings most often, typically middle class white kids. Likely being pressured by parents to get good grades, to do community service, to join clubs etc. So they can have a solid portfolio to be lucky enough to get a scholarship so they can get into a good college without needing to join the military.

What's the pay off in the end? You get to work a high paying job. With more pressure, 6 days of public holidays a year in a lot of states. 10 days paid holidays. Unpaid overtime. If you lose your job, you get social welfare for no more than 2 years in most states and it's weighted off whatever you paid in taxes to that point. In the state I live in, the maximum is 220 a week.

Add in the element of drug smuggling a long a large portion of the country and a disproportion of wealth with a pretty non-existent public mental healthcare system (depending on the state)

The cost of being a super power

Manic Moran

pabloh999 wrote: »

Who gives a f*ck..... None of them should be freely available to every nutjob,whackjob and suicide case

I give a f*ck.

Hollow points and other such deforming or frangible ammunition are the safest, most effective rounds, and are standard for police and private citizens who know what they're on about. Armor piercing, however, one can certainly have a debate about. They are good at one thing only: Making small holes in tough things.

hawkelady

Manic Moran wrote: »

I give a f*ck.

Hollow points and other such deforming or frangible ammunition are the safest, most effective rounds, and are standard for police and private citizens who know what they're on about. Armor piercing, however, one can certainly have a debate about. They are good at one thing only: Making small holes in tough things.

Ha, I have visions of you crawling around your back garden in full combat gear , camouflage makeup on your face repeating quotes from Full Metal Jacket !!!

Ease off the finer details of bullets or save it for the bullet & weaponry forum.

Manic Moran

hawkelady wrote: »

Ha, I have visions of you crawling around your back garden in full combat gear , camouflage makeup on your face repeating quotes from Full Metal Jacket !!!.

How did you know my hobby?