rushes licked on monday (pic)

NewBeefFarmer

Is all normal?
Licked with hand licker mortone/water 1/2

Will it die to the bottom or is this a failed attempt,

reason i ask, i have more to do, want to be sure alls ok.

bbam

NewBeefFarmer wrote: »

Is all normal?
Licked with hand licker mortone/water 1/2

Will it die to the bottom or is this a failed attempt,

reason i ask, i have more to do, want to be sure alls ok.

Yes the kill should go down through the plant..

I would say that one benefit of licking is the saving on chemical..

We mix gallup up at about 80/1 or 100/1 depending on how strong the rush and how heavy the hand is... They die off in about 6-8 weeks. Major saving in chemical usage, good for environment and pocket.

zetor 4911

bbam wrote: »

Yes the kill should go down through the plant..

I would say that one benefit of licking is the saving on chemical..

We mix gallup up at about 80/1 or 100/1 depending on how strong the rush and how heavy the hand is... They die off in about 6-8 weeks. Major saving in chemical usage, good for environment and pocket.

Going to lick rushes with gallup but just looking at the label and it says 1 part gallup to 2 parts water. Are you mixing at 1 part gallup to 80 parts water. If at that rate you are getting a good kill then there would be a big saving on chemicals.

Muckit

Good kill on rushes there. What's all that dead brown stuff...did you top or chain harrow?

bbam

zetor 4911 wrote: »

Going to lick rushes with gallup but just looking at the label and it says 1 part gallup to 2 parts water. Are you mixing at 1 part gallup to 80 parts water. If at that rate you are getting a good kill then there would be a big saving on chemicals.

Here are some from last spring. They were strong and we mixed at 80:1
Took ~8 weeks to die off.

Muckit

Will you top now? I wonder how long does it take spray to go to root? Like could you top after a week-10days with no regrowth?

redzerologhlen

bbam wrote: »

Here are some from last spring. They were strong and we mixed at 80:1
Took ~8 weeks to die off.

Will you top or let them rot bbam? I have sprayed a few rough pieces of ground which was too stoney/rough to top and noticed there has been very little regrowt after compared to where I have cut them when I thought they were dead.

Edit to say Muckit beat me to it

nashmach

Lads, why aren't you topping them and then spraying them?

Always found that we got a much better kill when done this way in the past as the spray is going into a young plant.

kk09

nashmach wrote: »

Lads, why aren't you topping them and then spraying them?

Always found that we got a much better kill when done this way in the past as the spray is going into a young plant.

Can someone explain how this lick thing works?

bbam

They were topped since and there is about 30% regrowth.. thjey would have been licked again in the back end but ground was too soft..

We have topped before licking but only found it marginally better, plus our licker is home made and its easier to manage on taller rush..

We're in a control mode with the rush.. keeping ground cleared as much as possible.. some drainage has been done but more would probably be needed.. The fields that need ongoing work are very lowlying meadows with major seed bank so elimination would be practically impossible..

On the better ground where they are licked they stay clear..

TBH licking is a bit more economical than a major drainage works..

bbam

kk09 wrote: »

Can someone explain how this lick thing works?

Bit of an explanation here
http://www.piedmontconservation.org/library/library/documents/user-guide-from-demo.pdf

photo.. (not mine)


utube
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D-4_U693bFc

nashmach

I should clarify my comment by saying that it was referring to overall spraying and not licking and can understand where bbam is coming from.

redzerologhlen

nashmach wrote: »

Lads, why aren't you topping them and then spraying them?

Always found that we got a much better kill when done this way in the past as the spray is going into a young plant.

To be honest a lot of our ground is too rough too cut them and I have been getting a fairly good kill without doing it, they are a b*stard to cut anyway. The bit in the pic was all sprayed without being cut and cut after, I ran out of spray for the bit on top but it just shows the difference it makes.

reilig

Muckit wrote: »

Will you top now? I wonder how long does it take spray to go to root? Like could you top after a week-10days with no regrowth?

Give them a month at least. If you top too soon, it won't reach the root and you'll have a regrowth.

reilig

bbam wrote: »

Here are some from last spring. They were strong and we mixed at 80:1
Took ~8 weeks to die off.

We usually mix approximately 1/2 a litre with 50l in the licker, and a squirt of washing up liquid and it kills before it. People on here last year mentioned that they were putting it on at 10:1. It's a complete waste.

Gallup seems to be the spray of choice. Been using it 3 years now and it kils much faster than roundup. At €80 for 20 litres, it's very keen on price!

Rushy Fields

will Galup kill grass? i have both Gallup, Roundup and Mortone. I have a licker and sprayer.
I think the sprayer is better, but maybe thats because all i hace is a tractor and i feel a quad is better when using the licker.
Good job done on the rushes by the way lads.

bbam

We use the licker behind the tractor.
No problems.
Can have occasional stripe from wheel but it's no bother.

Arrow in the Knee

When would you put livestock back into the field after spraying?

Tipperarymike

This is a very timely thread from my point of view so I was just wondering how I might proceed with my own.

Today I topped about 9 acres that were overwhelmed with rushes, so bad now I wouldn't dare put up a picture! They weren't topped last year and last mowed them in 2011. I topped them fairly high today and maybe that wasn't the correct way to go but the field, tis fairly boggy, is fairly rough and leaving the topper low didn't seem worth chancing. Anyway the reason I topped it was that last December I had an on the spot eligibility inspection on four acres beside it that I had reclaimed last Sept and the two officials inspecting the new piece left me in no doubt that if they had been inspecting the 9 acres they would have ruled it ineligible, despite it having been grazed during the year.

So anyway now I have them topped, am I right in thinking I should wait a few weeks before spraying them off and when spraying them I should do them with Gallup. Does Gallup check the grass growth, granted there is little grass in that field at the moment but on a day like today one can dream of a field of rushes eventually growing grass!

bbam

Tipperarymike wrote: »

This is a very timely thread from my point of view so I was just wondering how I might proceed with my own.

Today I topped about 9 acres that were overwhelmed with rushes, so bad now I wouldn't dare put up a picture! They weren't topped last year and last mowed them in 2011. I topped them fairly high today and maybe that wasn't the correct way to go but the field, tis fairly boggy, is fairly rough and leaving the topper low didn't seem worth chancing. Anyway the reason I topped it was that last December I had an on the spot eligibility inspection on four acres beside it that I had reclaimed last Sept and the two officials inspecting the new piece left me in no doubt that if they had been inspecting the 9 acres they would have ruled it ineligible, despite it having been grazed during the year.

So anyway now I have them topped, am I right in thinking I should wait a few weeks before spraying them off and when spraying them I should do them with Gallup. Does Gallup check the grass growth, granted there is little grass in that field at the moment but on a day like today one can dream of a field of rushes eventually growing grass!

Noooooo..
Gallup is the same as roundup, non selective weedkiller. Non selective means it will burn off everything including the grass..

You need a selective product for spraying rushes.. Once applied correctly is may check the grass but not kill it.. Mortone or some similar as mentioned earlier..

NewBeefFarmer

Muckit,

thats my dead grass from last year. . . im going buying your chain harrow and sitting on it for the winter. .. .

the land wasnt grazed right in the last 3-4 yrs . so, its looking better these days, but harrow next, then lime, then fert. .


thats one paddock above, im going to start another the weekend, instead i might strim the head off, maybe leave 5-6 inch height , then stray with napsack on me back. . ill only put 2-3 litres in it. . ..

that way, its easier to see whats done and what isnt. . . the plot i done above is about 97% killing. . only 5 or 6 missed. .

i think like anything, its about consistency. .. not going hell for leather in yr 1 and nothing in yr 2 or 3. .

sea12

Arrow in the Knee wrote: »

When would you put livestock back into the field after spraying?

I sprayed two paddocks last Saturday with Mcpa 50. It says keep livestock off for 2 weeks. I was wondering the same as one field is after growing huge amount of grass this week. Not suitable for silage. In another week it will be gone too strong.

whata loadof rubbish

NewBeefFarmer wrote: »

Is all normal?
Licked with hand licker mortone/water 1/2

Will it die to the bottom or is this a failed attempt,

reason i ask, i have more to do, want to be sure alls ok.

Could you pl put up a few pics of the licker if you get a chance?
I'd like to see what kind of a contraption that you have that got such a good kill. Did you use any dye to indicate what you'd licked?
Thanks WLR

Tipperarymike

Cheers for that Bbam,

I took it up wrong, I see now you only use Gallup with a weedlicker.

I will have a look at Mortone or something similar and take it from there. I assume I would want to wait a few weeks for the rushes to come back up a bit before spraying them off again.

NewBeefFarmer

whata loadof rubbish wrote: »

Could you pl put up a few pics of the licker if you get a chance?
I'd like to see what kind of a contraption that you have that got such a good kill. Did you use any dye to indicate what you'd licked?
Thanks WLR

Will do, , tomorrow, not near it now.

Hand licker. Like a brush.

Pics tomorrow

bbam

Tipperarymike wrote: »

Cheers for that Bbam,

I took it up wrong, I see now you only use Gallup with a weedlicker.

I will have a look at Mortone or something similar and take it from there. I assume I would want to wait a few weeks for the rushes to come back up a bit before spraying them off again.

6-8 weeks regrowth
Graze it well down, then spray immediately..
This will minimise the spray destroying clover and other goodies (remember it kills everything except grass) and also minimise the stunt on the grass..

Farmer Pudsey

reilig wrote: »

We usually mix approximately 1/2 a litre with 50l in the licker, and a squirt of washing up liquid and it kills before it. People on here last year mentioned that they were putting it on at 10:1. It's a complete waste.

Gallup seems to be the spray of choice. Been using it 3 years now and it kils much faster than roundup. At €80 for 20 litres, it's very keen on price!

There is no difference between Gallup and Roundup. Gallup is a generic form of it is no better or worse just cheaper.

reilig

Farmer Pudsey wrote: »

There is no difference between Gallup and Roundup. Gallup is a generic form of it is no better or worse just cheaper.

Not true.

Even though both have main ingredients of Glyphosate, both contain different amounts of adjuvant or sticker. This will determine the speed of kill.

NewBeefFarmer

now boys, sorry about the mess. . . good big pics anyway

ill post a pic or two later of day 4 after licking. . . all nicely burnt on top now.


its takes a bit getting used to. . . the flow rate etc. . . u can open the screw can on top and it adjusts the flow rate. . .

from what i see that has been killed.. . .. just go out with this yoke and batter the hell out of each one. . maybe 10-15 times. ..
over and back etc. . .





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NewBeefFarmer

hmmmmmm. . .. . ps.. . . i never new what a stick agent was until i started this. . . . the tube is almost glue like. . .

i used a tiny bit of washing up liquid. .

did the trick

NewBeefFarmer

Licked on Monday, 4 days ago. . with Mortone/water 1/2.5 with a dash of fairy . . .

moy83

Worked well

Odelay

Nice to see the fookers die. See I'm not the only one with a crop of butter cup. Know of anything that thrives on them?:rolleyes:

NewBeefFarmer

Odelay wrote: »

Nice to see the fookers die. See I'm not the only one with a crop of butter cup. Know of anything that thrives on them?:rolleyes:

was thinking the same. . .. cant wait to take the topper out.. . . i mean.. . when u think of it. . im killing rushes, but visually the buttercup weed is making the place look a right mess.. . .

no way ill be doing that though. . thats a full spray job. .

Conmaicne Mara

NewBeefFarmer wrote: »

now boys, sorry about the mess. . . good big pics anyway

ill post a pic or two later of day 4 after licking. . . all nicely burnt on top now.


its takes a bit getting used to. . . the flow rate etc. . . u can open the screw can on top and it adjusts the flow rate. . .

from what i see that has been killed.. . .. just go out with this yoke and batter the hell out of each one. . maybe 10-15 times. ..
over and back etc. . .





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Paint roller with a bit of a handle and a rectangular bucket does the job quicker. Had one of those microns, never got on with it.

Arrow in the Knee

Is this the time to spray rushes when their growing or could I do it in the winter months?

bbam

Arrow in the Knee wrote: »

Is this the time to spray rushes when their growing or could I do it in the winter months?

Only spray anything when growing. They circulate the weed killer through the plant and kill it all.

hugo29

Rightly or wrongly I went out yesterday evening and sprayed the rushes and buttercup in the silage ground,

Muckit

You got that sprayer going in the end so How did it go for you, you happy with your purchase? The world of sprayers hooked up to tractors around here

Rushy Fields

Sprayed docks and rushes on grazed ground yesterday. Mixed 2.5ltrs mcpa wit 200ltrs of water. Does that rate sound ok? How long should I leave before spreading fertiliser and letting stock back into the field?

hugo29

Muckit wrote: »

You got that sprayer going in the end so How did it go for you, you happy with your purchase? The world of sprayers hooked up to tractors around here

No it's a new one, could not get other one going, whites came down and looked at it and could not get it going so they sent me another one, delighted wit it, great to have flexibility to spray when you can

first one is still in yard, they never collected it or called, might sell it yet:D

sea12

nealger wrote: »

Sprayed docks and rushes on grazed ground yesterday. Mixed 2.5ltrs mcpa wit 200ltrs of water. Does that rate sound ok? How long should I leave before spreading fertiliser and letting stock back into the field?

It says on the back of the can that it is 2 weeks before letting stock out.

sea12

Sprayed 7 days ago. Good field but got badly poached two years ago when the hedges were being cut.

2nd photo sprayed the same day. Topped about a month before. Not killing as well. This would be the worst of my land. Was reclaimed 30 years ago by my dad. I need to redo some of it again

ordinary farmer

hugo29 wrote: »

Rightly or wrongly I went out yesterday evening and sprayed the rushes and buttercup in the silage ground,

what did you use for this badly need to do this myself

hugo29

ordinary farmer wrote: »

what did you use for this badly need to do this myself

Mortone will let u know how it goes

Positive Attidude

Hi,

I have topped approx 10 acres of rushes in the last 2 weeks with another 15 to do. These are very mature. I am working during the week so only really have time to top/mow on a Saturday. Therefore I am looking for the best plan of action from here on to get rid of rushes in minimum time possible.

Should I spray the topped ones now?
If so what spray should I use?
How long do I have to keep the cattle off it (is this dependent on the spray)?
Which is better a sprayer or weed licker? (we are in AEOS and Natura!)
I'm based in North Tipp, is there anyone who does hire work with a weed licker local or can you hire them out?
Is it worth spraying the mature ones while I'm at it?

Sorry about all the questions, any help much appreciated.

bbam

Positive Attidude wrote: »

Hi,

I have topped approx 10 acres of rushes in the last 2 weeks with another 15 to do. These are very mature. I am working during the week so only really have time to top/mow on a Saturday. Therefore I am looking for the best plan of action from here on to get rid of rushes in minimum time possible.

Should I spray the topped ones now?
If so what spray should I use?
How long do I have to keep the cattle off it (is this dependent on the spray)?
Which is better a sprayer or weed licker? (we are in AEOS and Natura!)
I'm based in North Tipp, is there anyone who does hire work with a weed licker local or can you hire them out?
Is it worth spraying the mature ones while I'm at it?

Sorry about all the questions, any help much appreciated.

Its too soon to spray the rushed topped 2 weeks ago. they need 6-8 weeks growth to take on the spray, otherwise there isnt enough rush there to spray.

Cattle withdrawal times vary, but usually spraying is done immediatly after grazing so leaving it idle is usually easy. Its best spray after a tight grazing as this minimises the grass and clover sprayed and thus minises the impact on them.

Spraying or licking is a matter of opinion really, I like the weed licker as its cheap to run and has no impact on grass, clover etc..

Ive seen mature rushed sprayed and licked with decent success. The kill won't be as thourough as if they were fresh all green rushes. This is a bigger deal with spraying as its more expensive and its hard on the ground to spray again and again, particularly for grazing ground it kills everything off except grass and stunts the grass growth a bit too. A field can be weed licked as often as you like as its only treating the rushes.

It can be hard to hire a weed licker, and I know round me there is a lad just started with a nex quad-x weed licker and quad. He seems to be getting a fair bit of work.

hugo29

Positive Attidude wrote: »

Hi,

I have topped approx 10 acres of rushes in the last 2 weeks with another 15 to do. These are very mature. I am working during the week so only really have time to top/mow on a Saturday. Therefore I am looking for the best plan of action from here on to get rid of rushes in minimum time possible.

Should I spray the topped ones now?
If so what spray should I use?
How long do I have to keep the cattle off it (is this dependent on the spray)?
Which is better a sprayer or weed licker? (we are in AEOS and Natura!)
I'm based in North Tipp, is there anyone who does hire work with a weed licker local or can you hire them out?
Is it worth spraying the mature ones while I'm at it?

Sorry about all the questions, any help much appreciated.

I have done something similar,

i cut the rushes to the bone in April and i mean to the clay, they were very strong at the time. I ran the subsoiler on the ground then. I waited approx 6-8 weeks until nice green light rush appeared which was about a week ago and then I hit them with Mortone, I will let you know how it goes,
i have never used licker so cant comment on same but Bbam has covered that one

withdrawal seems to vary but i was so surprised with the grass that appeared after subsoiling, I have spread fert on the ground and plan to take silage