Motor tax rates

marathont

Hi

Can anyone clarify the current tax rates please.

It is my understanding that any car registered after 1 July 2008, is taxed based on C02 emmisions.

But on this website: http://www.environ.ie/en/LocalGovernment/MotorTax/MotorTaxRates/MotorTaxRatesbasedonCO2Emissions/

it also says that some cars registered between January - july 08 are also taxed based on co2 emmisions. This is the part that is confusing me.

Thanks

whomitconcerns

you have a choice in that period afaik

Limerick Rebel

It was felt that it was unfair on anybody that bought a car between January and July 2008 to be stuck with the old engine size system when in some cases the Co2 option was much cheaper so the option was there to choose either system. It was however only a one time decision that could not be revessed. If the car is now taxed based on engine size, it cannot be changed to the Co2 based system. If however you are importing a car first registered in this period you will be on the Co2 based system.

bazz26

Type in the reg of the car here and it will tell you the motor tax rate:

https://www.motortax.ie/OMT/motortaxinforeg.do

mickdw

Cars that were bought here jan to June 08 were put on the cheapest option once the new system came in mid way through the year so some early 08 cars are on co2 and some engine size.

CiniO

Limerick Rebel wrote: »

It was felt that it was unfair on anybody that bought a car between January and July 2008 to be stuck with the old engine size system when in some cases the Co2 option was much cheaper so the option was there to choose either system.

Yes - this was unfair, so they allowed to choose, while taxing based solely on engine size every car older than 08 was fair????
Nonsense...

It was however only a one time decision that could not be revessed.

AFAIK there were no decisions. It was automatic for the cheaper one - not that you could choose.

If however you are importing a car first registered in this period you will be on the Co2 based system.

You will be on cheaper system, whether it's CO2 or engine size (I mean cars between Jan and end of June 2008)

Jesus.

Was Ireland always such a rip-off Motor tax wise? The cost to tax a larger engined car in this Country is extortionate (pre 08). I'm trying to remember back years ago and if it was always like this.

Are there any other Country's with comparable fuel prices that fleece the motorist in this way? Over in the UK their tax rates seem very reasonable compared to here.

PurvesGrundy

Jesus. wrote: »

Was Ireland always such a rip-off Motor tax wise? The cost to tax a larger engined car in this Country is extortionate (pre 08). I'm trying to remember back years ago and if it was always like this.

I heard from a friend recently who saw an R129 SL600 that the O'Flaherty family (MDL) have in their collection. Hasn't been on the road since '97 if I recall and has a disc in the window for £800 punts.

Neilw

PurvesGrundy wrote: »

I heard from a friend recently who saw an R129 SL600 that the O'Flaherty family (MDL) have in their collection. Hasn't been on the road since '97 if I recall and has a disc in the window for £800 punts.

5% increase per year since then nearly brings it up to the 1809euro rate now.

NIMAN

Does anyone think the Gov need to revise how they tax cars?

When they brought in the low tax for low emission cars, it was fine as not many people had them. But according to figures over 40% of new cars are in the lowest band, so the Gov income from tax is falling.

As the owner of both a low band car and a €636 1.8 petrol, I would like to see the lower ones raised a bit and the higher ones lowered. Its hard going when in the market for a car when you are being crippled with up to €1000 tax just to drive a 2.0 diesel.

bazz26

Jesus. wrote: »

Was Ireland always such a rip-off Motor tax wise? The cost to tax a larger engined car in this Country is extortionate (pre 08). I'm trying to remember back years ago and if it was always like this.

Are there any other Country's with comparable fuel prices that fleece the motorist in this way? Over in the UK their tax rates seem very reasonable compared to here.

Large engine cars have the excessive motor tax built into their resale values. If they were cheap to tax then they wouldn't be so cheap to buy second hand as more people would buy them pushing up resale values. On the other hand post 2007 cars with low motor tax cost a lot more to buy so it's swings and roundabouts.

cerastes

NIMAN wrote: »

Does anyone think the Gov need to revise how they tax cars?

When they brought in the low tax for low emission cars, it was fine as not many people had them. But according to figures over 40% of new cars are in the lowest band, so the Gov income from tax is falling.

As the owner of both a low band car and a €636 1.8 petrol, I would like to see the lower ones raised a bit and the higher ones lowered. Its hard going when in the market for a car when you are being crippled with up to €1000 tax just to drive a 2.0 diesel.

Originally I thought it would be a good idea to increase lower emission vehicles tax and lower pre '08 vehicles tax, however, eventually most of those older vehicles will be off the road replaced by lower emission vehicles of either new or secondhand stock. So we'll have lower vehicle tax, realistically the only way motor tax will go is up, unless people get off their arses and start protesting about increases across the board. At least in the future people will have a lower base motor tax to start from so large increases should hopefully be more difficult to implement.

Unless of course they start using the revenue to collect it and take it from source or something, in which case people will just bend over and take it.

Scortho

cerastes wrote: »

Originally I thought it would be a good idea to increase lower emission vehicles tax and lower pre '08 vehicles tax, however, eventually most of those older vehicles will be off the road replaced by lower emission vehicles of either new or secondhand stock. So we'll have lower vehicle tax, realistically the only way motor tax will go is up, unless people get off their arses and start protesting about increases across the board. At least in the future people will have a lower base motor tax to start from so large increases should hopefully be more difficult to implement.

Unless of course they start using the revenue to collect it and take it from source or something, in which case people will just bend over and take it.

Gradually they'll increase the requirements to get a car into band a etc and at the same time increase the tax on each band until they correspond to the cc rates as more cars on the old system are removed.

mickdw

Scortho wrote: »

Gradually they'll increase the requirements to get a car into band a etc and at the same time increase the tax on each band until they correspond to the cc rates as more cars on the old system are removed.

Yes no doubt the rates and bands are creaping resulting in more expensive tax.
My car on co2 was 430 to tax when I bought it in 08. It's now 580 or so and there is only 50 quid been the cc and co2 rates my car.

Jesus.

bazz26 wrote: »

Large engine cars have the excessive motor tax built into their resale values. If they were cheap to tax then they wouldn't be so cheap to buy second hand as more people would buy them pushing up resale values. On the other hand post 2007 cars with low motor tax cost a lot more to buy so it's swings and roundabouts.

Good point there Bazzer. I suppose it comes down to how many years you plan on keeping the car and adding up the tax against what the car might normally cost in a more "normal" market.

But even allowing for that, taxing say a 3 liter car would still set you back more over a few years than if tax rates were reasonable and prices were higher, would it not?

PurvesGrundy

bazz26 wrote: »

Large engine cars have the excessive motor tax built into their resale values. If they were cheap to tax then they wouldn't be so cheap to buy second hand as more people would buy them pushing up resale values. On the other hand post 2007 cars with low motor tax cost a lot more to buy so it's swings and roundabouts.

Big engine cars are cheap in the UK too. Motor tax is just another kick in the teeth here along with the high fuel costs.

The Irish have a fixation about cubic capacity and have gradually had it bred into them that they are undeserving of a car with an engine bigger than 1.6 litre and to drive the likes of a 2.5 litre/3.0 litre is sacrilege. If you look at an old Volvo T-5 for instance with a turbocharged 2.3 litre engine with 240bhp, it is actually 100-200 euro cheaper to tax than a 144bhp normally aspirated 2.5 litre. That just shows how stupid CC based motor tax is.

bazz26

PurvesGrundy wrote: »

Big engine cars are cheap in the UK too. Motor tax is just another kick in the teeth here along with the high fuel costs.

The Irish have a fixation about cubic capacity and have gradually had it bred into them that they are undeserving of a car with an engine bigger than 1.6 litre and to drive the likes of a 2.5 litre/3.0 litre is sacrilege. If you look at an old Volvo T-5 for instance with a turbocharged 2.3 litre engine with 240bhp, it is actually 100-200 euro cheaper to tax than a 144bhp normally aspirated 2.5 litre. That just shows how stupid CC based motor tax is.

Big cars are cheaper here than in the UK though as there is less demand for them here because of the reasons already mentioned, there is a lot more choice in the UK though as there was a bigger market for them there.

And the Irish fixation with cubic capacity stems back to decades of conditioning by consecutive Governments penalizing them through taxing higher capacity engines. It's a hard habit to break. Also I don't think taxing based on bhp would have made a whole lot of difference here. The end result would have been the same, people would choose to buy what cost them the least to tax whether it be by engine capacity or power output.

Jesus.

bazz26 wrote: »

Big cars are cheaper here than in the UK though as there is less demand for them here because of the reasons already mentioned, there is a lot more choice in the UK though as there was a bigger market for them there. .

That was going to be my next point. Are they really cheaper here?

Going by your logic they should be because in a more normal market like the UK, they'd be more expensive to buy in the first place.

I'm not totally convinced to be honest Bazzer :P

lomb

Any car over 7-8 years is economically worthless relative to its new value regardless of whether its small or large engined. Same in the UK. Everyone wants new. You might save a thousand or two here versus the UK due to the tax though.

PurvesGrundy

lomb wrote: »

Any car over 7-8 years is economically worthless relative to its new value regardless of whether its small or large engined.

Precisely.

You'll see BMW E39's are worth fcuk all in the UK also. Older cars become worthless no matter what.

lomb

PurvesGrundy wrote: »

Precisely.

You'll see BMW E39's are worth fcuk all in the UK also. Older cars become worthless no matter what.

Except for classics that are reaching stratospheric levels in some cases. It a funny old world someone handing over millions for a shagged crappily driving unsafe motor that is useless whereas the same /every person would turn their nose up at a clean 10 year old decent well maintained car.

Jesus.

Why are cars like 10 yr old+ Camry's overpriced (in my opinion anyway) in this Country?

If what Bazz says is true and depreciation takes care of the insane amount of tax you'd have to pay, why are the asking prices on these motors still on the steep side?

Supergurrier

bazz26

Jesus. wrote: »

Why are cars like 10 yr old+ Camry's overpriced (in my opinion anyway) in this Country?

If what Bazz says is true and depreciation takes care of the insane amount of tax you'd have to pay, why are the asking prices on these motors still on the steep side?

Looking for steep money and getting steep money are too different things. Here is a 04 Camry asking €8750 and a candidate for the dreamer of the year thread:
http://www.driving.ie/used-cars/Toyota/Camry/2.4-VVT/34113632901878680/

Here is a 03 asking a fraction of that price:
http://www.driving.ie/used-cars/Toyota/Camry/car/201346219759067/