PC Build

Fol20

1. What is your budget? [€500-600]

2. What will be the main purpose of the computer? [Gaming] (RTS - COH2,Shogun etc)

3. Do you need a copy of Windows? [No]

4. Can you use any parts from an old computer? No

5. Do you need a monitor? No

5a. If yes, what size do you need.

5b. If no, what resolution is your current monitor and do you plan to upgrade in the near future? 22"

6. Do you need any of these peripherals? Wireless KB

7. Are you willing to try overclocking? [No]

8. How can you pay? [Bank Transfer/Credit Card/Laser]

9. When are you purchasing? [Next Month]

10. If you need help building it, where are you based? Cork

Im thinking of upgrading the monitor to a 27" in the future. I will need a wifi card and a dvd drive.

Fol20

bump

tuxy

Hey, I have build in mind but am just trying to decide if I should recommend an AMD or Intel CPU. The games you list a fairly old and will have no problem running on just about any modern CPU. Do you play any newer games or are there one that you are likely to start playing?

Fol20

Shogun 2 and COH2 are relatively new. I wouldnt mind playing a few fps games on the pc, however generally, i play most other games on my xbox. I wouldnt mind semi future proofing it by allowing upgradeability. Something else that is important to me is to have a quiete gaming rig.

Fol20

I have alwys owned intel machines. How does AMD compare?

Gumbi

Fol20 wrote: »

I have alwys owned intel machines. How does AMD compare?

AMD win some, Intel win some. AMD generally have better bang for buck though.

tuxy

Gumbi wrote: »

AMD win some, Intel win some. AMD generally have better bang for buck though.

Yes Generally AMD offer better performance on CPUs in the €100 range. While intel offer better performance if you can afford to spend more.
However for a gaming PC it's not worth spending extra on the intel if it means you can't afford a good graphics card as the graphics card is the most important part.

I'm going to copy and paste a build from antoehr thread as I think it would be perfect for you

Item|Price
Cooler Master K350 Midi-Tower mit Sichtfenster, schwarz|€43.67
be quiet! SYSTEM POWER 7 450W|€51.94
ASRock 970 Pro3 R2.0, AM3+, ATX|€62.84
AMD FX-6300 Prozessor, Boxed, Sockel AM3+|€104.02
WD Caviar Blue 1TB 6Gb's|€57.27
8GB G.Skill RipJaws-X PC3-12800U CL10|€55.77
PowerColor Radeon HD 7850 V2, 2GB GDDR5|€162.74
Cooler Master Hyper 212 EVO - Intel/AMD|€28.37
Shipping|€18.99
Total|€585.61

Fol20

Ok fair enough, im open to trying AMD. Does this motherboard offer some flexibility to upgrade in the future?

I need a DVD drive, and wifi card as well.

Is there any other towers i can get, not a major fan of the looks of it plus i need something with more usb slots.

How is this for noise level as well?

tuxy

Any case from this list will work

http://www.hardwareversand.de/631/Midi.search

DVD

http://www.hardwareversand.de/S-ATA/44944/LiteOn+iHAS124-19+schwarz+SATA.article

Wifi card

http://www.hardwareversand.de/PCI/42568/LogiLink+Wireless+LAN+300+Mbps+PCI+Karte+802.11n+2T2R.article


With the motherboard it will be easy to update the graphics card in the future. I'm unsure if it will be possible to update the CPU. Unfortunately with both Intel and AMD a new CPU often means a new motherboard. You just have to factor in that a new CPU change will probably mean spending an extra €60 for a new motherboard.

As for noise the 212 evo CPU cooler is not loud. I have not used that graphics card so can't say for sure but it should not be loud either.

tuxy

Also I forgot to say there are 8 USB slots on the back of that motherboard so you probably don't need to worry about the number of usb connections on the case.

Fol20

Midi Tower
http://www.hardwareversand.de/articledetail.jsp?adp=0&aid=75839&agid=631&apop=1

Dvd Drive
http://www.hardwareversand.de/articledetail.jsp?aid=69324&agid=699

Is there any Bluetooth add ons. I am thinking of using my apple keyboard. If i use an apple keyboard is this ok or could i run into some problems?

Fol20

Forgot to include this graphic card:
http://www.hardwareversand.de/articledetail.jsp?aid=66275&agid=1156

Would it be better?

tuxy

That case and dvd is fine.

It's possible to get a wireless apple keyboard working with the right drivers using a bluetooth adapter like this
http://www.hardwareversand.de/Bluetooth/75755/LogiLink+Mini+Bluetooth+Dongle%2C+V4.0+%2B+DER%2C+Class1+%28100+m%29.article

However you would probably need another keyboard that's windows compatible out of the box to install windows first.

That graphics card would be a little bit better, I had not realised the price had dropped so low on them they sold for more not so long ago.

Monotype

AMD's next CPUs, Steamroller is expected to keep with the same socket, due for release end of this year/start of next. After that, Excavator, little is known apart from possibly a release late next year. Might even been using DDR4.

Fol20

http://www.logitech.com/en-roeu/product/keyboard-k360?crid=26#

I think i might get this keyboard. Do you have any advice on which model is the USA kb layout?

Fol20

Cooler Master Hyper 212 EVO - Intel/AMD - Is there any other item i could get beside this. They are out of stock, preferably a bit cheaper at the total is at 610 at the moment not including the kb.

tuxy

The CPU actually comes with a cooler and you could use that.
I just included the other cooler as I was worried the one that came with they CPU may be too loud.

So you could leave out the cooler master cooler and see if noise levels are ok, replaceing it at a later date if you are unhappy.

Or add this alternative to the build
http://www.hardwareversand.de/Intel+AMD/39771/Xigmatek+Gaia+SD1283+Heatpipe+Cooler+120mm.article

Fol20

What does your gut think. will the noise level be fairly loud on the existing cpu?

Any idea about the kb as well.. id like to buy the system tonight.

Gumbi

Fol20 wrote: »

What does your gut think. will the noise level be fairly loud on the existing cpu?

Any idea about the kb as well.. id like to buy the system tonight.

It depends on the person. At stock settings, it will be a bit loud gaming, but not too bad. A better cooler will allow you to overclock and have a quieter cooler too.

Fol20

Hi Guys,

Thanks for info, i bought the following:

Name: 8GB G.Skill RipJaws-X PC3-12800U CL10
Article number: HV20G729DE
Stock balance: ready for dispatch
Quantity: 1
Price per unit: 55,77 €
Price: 55,77 €

Name: AMD FX-6300 Prozessor, Boxed, Sockel AM3+
Article number: HV20X630DE
Stock balance: ready for dispatch
Quantity: 1
Price per unit: 104,02 €
Price: 104,02 €

Name: ASRock 970 Pro3 R2.0, AM3+, ATX
Article number: HV1134RZDE
Stock balance: ready for dispatch
Quantity: 1
Price per unit: 62,84 €
Price: 62,84 €

Name: be quiet! SYSTEM POWER 7 450W
Article number: HVR451SBDE
Stock balance: ready for dispatch
Quantity: 1
Price per unit: 51,94 €
Price: 51,94 €

Name: Cooler Master Force 500 Midi-Tower - schwarz, ohne Netzteil
Article number: HV203F52DE
Stock balance: Delivery date unknown
Quantity: 1
Price per unit: 34,31 €
Price: 34,31 €

Name: Gigabyte GeForce GTX 660 Windforce 2X, 2GB GDDR5, 2x DVI, HDMI, DisplayPort
Article number: HV1030ICDE
Stock balance: ready for dispatch
Quantity: 1
Price per unit: 164,99 €
Price: 164,99 €

Name: LiteOn iHAS124-04 schwarz SATA
Article number: HV207L04DE
Stock balance: ready for dispatch
Quantity: 1
Price per unit: 16,49 €
Price: 16,49 €

Name: LogiLink Wireless LAN 300 Mbps PCI Karte 802.11n 2T2R
Article number: HV25LWP1DE
Stock balance: ready for dispatch
Quantity: 1
Price per unit: 14,64 €
Price: 14,64 €

Name: WD Caviar Blue 1TB 6Gb's
Article number: HV13W1CBDE
Stock balance: ready for dispatch
Quantity: 1
Price per unit: 57,27 €
Price: 57,27 €

Name: Xigmatek Gaia SD1283 Heatpipe Cooler 120mm
Article number: HV30AP24DE
Stock balance: ready for dispatch
Quantity: 1
Price per unit: 24,38 €
Price: 24,38 €

Subtotal: 586,65 €

Voucher
Rebate: 10,00 €
Rebatevalue: - 10,00 €
Shipping costs by UPS-Standard + 18,99 €
Charge PayPal (3 % of basket value) + 17,60 €


Total: 613,24 €