Laundered Diesel

tayto lover

Living in a border area i am very well aware of the problems of laundered diesel, the damage it can do to an engine, the environmental damage and costs of dealing with the waste sludge and the amounts of captures/seizures of vehicles and machinery used in it's preparation.
What i cannot understand is the lack of prosecutions by the authorities of garage owners throughout the country for selling the laundered diesel.
Surely regular checks and tests of the diesel the garages are selling should have uncovered many premises selling laundered diesel. So why have i failed to find news items, court reports or garage closures? Or is the product impossible to detect when it reaches the garages?

Banjo String

All investigations into alleged fuel laundering seem to run out of gas quickly, despite having promising starts.

the_syco

tayto lover wrote: »

Or is the product impossible to detect when it reaches the garages?

I'd say it's because few people get it from the same garage every time, and thus when their engine does fail, they don't know which station it was for certain. And even then, I'd say most people would question the garage rather than inform the Gardai/Customs/Revenue about it.

Capt'n Midnight

May they have grown attached to their kneecaps.

tayto lover

the_syco wrote: »

I'd say it's because few people get it from the same garage every time, and thus when their engine does fail, they don't know which station it was for certain. And even then, I'd say most people would question the garage rather than inform the Gardai/Customs/Revenue about it.

But i would have expected to see Customs Officers inspecting garages for the laundered fuel as a matter of course. With so much of this stuff being seized it follows that much of it is getting through undetected and being sold from so-called legit garages. Surely inspections of garages would detect the laundered fuel in the same way that the Customs dip cars, vans and lorries for it.

Why no court cases and publication of offenders names?

RayCon

I thought this was a thread about freshly washed, specific brand clothing.

NuckingFacker

Cynics would say that there's powerful people at the top of the racket and poking the dog too hard leads to getting bitten. Noone likes bitey dogs.

mike65

tayto lover wrote: »

Living in a border area i am very well aware of the problems of laundered diesel, the damage it can do to an engine, the environmental damage and costs of dealing with the waste sludge and the amounts of captures/seizures of vehicles and machinery used in it's preparation.
What i cannot understand is the lack of prosecutions by the authorities of garage owners throughout the country for selling the laundered diesel.
Surely regular checks and tests of the diesel the garages are selling should have uncovered many premises selling laundered diesel. So why have i failed to find news items, court reports or garage closures? Or is the product impossible to detect when it reaches the garages?

This is why no one is in jail

http://www.rte.ie/news/2008/0117/98400-diesel/

A Co Monaghan man who was found to be laundering diesel has been fined €12,695, and ordered to contribute at least €7,000 to charity.

The fine was given in lieu of a jail sentence.

Up North they take a harder line

http://www.emigrant.ie/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=80756&Itemid=20

washman3

I know og 1 station that was allegedly closed down for allegedly selling laundered diesel. i also know of another that was tested and was completely unaware that they were buying laundered diesel.
maybe its very difficult to prove,im just dont know. may be that residue can be left in tanks and may be impossible to pinpoint which truck delivered a certain consignment.
By the way, what do customs do with the sludge they find at these laundering plants.? what substance exactly is it.? i know its the die used to mark the diesel, but could some sort of non-toxic die be used.?

Karl Stein

Why not do away with agri-diesel and let those who use it claim back the difference at the end of the year?

dgt

Why don't they chase the source of the diesel instead of the plants....?

CianRyan

dgt wrote: »

Why don't they chase the source of the diesel instead of the plants....?

I knew you'd be in here.

dgt

CianRyan wrote: »

I knew you'd be in here.

If it's diesel related..... The dirtier cleaner the better :pac:

hfallada

OP every week customs bust a laundering plant. When the Mexicans are fighting the cartels they dont look for the little guy selling hash on the street corner. You go straight to the supplier. Likewise customs are only going after the big players.

JD DABA

RayCon wrote: »

I thought this was a thread about freshly washed, specific brand clothing.

Leave.

Capt'n Midnight

NuckingFacker wrote: »

Cynics would say that there's powerful people at the top of the racket and poking the dog too hard leads to getting bitten. Noone likes bitey dogs.

More cynical would say it's giving the dog a bone. Looking the other way because it's not so bad to have some criminals laundering fuel instead of pretending to be freedom fighters.

jamaamaj

0p. You sound like somebody from the govermerment.
What i cannot understand is the price fixing that goes on in towns all over Ireland, over the price of petrol.
And what i cannot understand is the lack of prosecutions by the authorities over this.
As for the the rip off prices of petrol.?
How come this is not reported on .?

gurramok

Recently a non-sophisticated plant was raided in Dublin of all places. Me thinks the border gang business of laundered diesel is spreading, it may be lucrative to the capitals criminal gangs.

fasttalkerchat

Cathal Cloch wrote: »

Why not do away with agri-diesel and let those who use it claim back the difference at the end of the year?

Can you imagine the fun border farmers would have with that!

fasttalkerchat

gurramok wrote: »

Recently a non-sophisticated plant was raided in Dublin of all places. Me thinks the border gang business of laundered diesel is spreading, it may be lucrative to the capitals criminal gangs.

Spreading to England too. Half of the diesel laundered now is terrible quality. Nothing like the stuff made years ago.

shedweller

jamaamaj wrote: »

0p. You sound like somebody from the govermerment.
What i cannot understand is the price fixing that goes on in towns all over Ireland, over the price of petrol.
And what i cannot understand is the lack of prosecutions by the authorities over this.
As for the the rip off prices of petrol.?
How come this is not reported on .?

The govt aren't going to want garages selling cheaper fuel because the govt will lose out on tax. Not to mention that the garages make nearly nothing on it anyway so selling it cheaper is not an option! I'd say everyone else involved in getting the fuel to the garages makes as much if not more than them.

gobnaitolunacy

A little bit of legislation would sort all this, i.e. checks to show that you're a bone fide farmer that needs the stuff before you can purchase and not Jamie Scumbag operating from an industrial unit who somehow requires a gazillion litres. The Guards and the Customs & Excise have been chasing laundered fuel around for donkeys years like the bloody Keystone Cops, it's beyond a joke.

tayto lover

washman3 wrote: »

I know og 1 station that was allegedly closed down for allegedly selling laundered diesel. i also know of another that was tested and was completely unaware that they were buying laundered diesel.
maybe its very difficult to prove,im just dont know. may be that residue can be left in tanks and may be impossible to pinpoint which truck delivered a certain consignment.
By the way, what do customs do with the sludge they find at these laundering plants.? what substance exactly is it.? i know its the die used to mark the diesel, but could some sort of non-toxic die be used.?

http://www.independent.ie/regionals/argus/news/20000-litres-of-diesel-sludge-26904127.html

tayto lover

jamaamaj wrote: »

0p. You sound like somebody from the govermerment.
What i cannot understand is the price fixing that goes on in towns all over Ireland, over the price of petrol.
And what i cannot understand is the lack of prosecutions by the authorities over this.
As for the the rip off prices of petrol.?
How come this is not reported on .?

I agree with you regarding the price fixing.
That's does not do away with the problems of garages selling laundered diesel and it damaging engines while the poor punter is unaware that what he is paying top dollar for is laundered.
Why are these garages not named and shamed?

pilate 1

gobnaitolunacy wrote: »

A little bit of legislation would sort all this, i.e. checks to show that you're a bone fide farmer that needs the stuff before you can purchase and not Jamie Scumbag operating from an industrial unit who somehow requires a gazillion litres. The Guards and the Customs & Excise have been chasing laundered fuel around for donkeys years like the bloody Keystone Cops, it's beyond a joke.

on that point .revenue recently introduced a return of oil movement system.every garage has to log inward and outward movement of product and produce aggregate figures of sales in litres.any garage doing their buisness properly would support this to hilt and it will quickly red flag those that dont.its a major development in the fight on laundered fuel!

Oranage2

You never know what you'll get from the laundered diesel so I hand wash all my diesel these days

pilate 1

jamaamaj wrote: »

0p. You sound like somebody from the govermerment.
What i cannot understand is the price fixing that goes on in towns all over Ireland, over the price of petrol.
And what i cannot understand is the lack of prosecutions by the authorities over this.
As for the the rip off prices of petrol.?
How come this is not reported on .?

a lazy post imho.its economies of scale.oil companies are making a concerted effort to close down small volume rural sites in particular.in their opinion its the one ammount of fuel they will sell whether they service 50/or 500 sites hence wholesale price variations.simply small stations are charged more for their fuel than large urban sites.most garages big and small are lucky to operate at in or about a 2to 3% profit margin,however the wholesale price changes every night which is why you can see variations from time to time.