Stream Consumer solutions - has anyone worked for them?

quietsailor

Folks,

Has anyone worked with the company Stream Consumer Solutions before? I've been trying to find info about them on the internetz but all I can get is their own webpage/Facebook/twitter account.

1. Are they such a new company that no-one has heard of them before?
2. The only description of their work is face to face sales - are they talking about cold calling at doors?

Has anyone info on them/have worked for them before and would be willing to share experiences please?

Thank you

Qs

11811

Looking at the website I'd be a little wary. No mention of what their product is or brands they represent. I worked for a similar sounding "company" years ago and it involved a lot of knocking on doors.

evilivor

11811 wrote: »

Looking at the website I'd be a little wary. No mention of what their product is or brands they represent. I worked for a similar sounding "company" years ago and it involved a lot of knocking on doors.

Their offices look impressive.

MrFrisp

They have,or had jobs advertised with most job agencies.

Even gumtree got a hammering from them..:D

http://www.gumtree.ie/fp-stream+consumer+solutions

As already mentioned though,,not one idea of what they actually sell.

Strange.
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Milly33

Yeah I would have the thinking that they are dodge or just another waste of time company... they have jobs.ie and the other site mobbed with ads

quietsailor

Thank you all for answering,

my flatmate is going for an interview with them tomorrow and she's a trusting person, I hope they don't screw her over :mad:, it doesn't look good though. I'll try and report back on how she gets on

Milly33

they might not be now, this is just the general idea as they seem to have a lot of jobs for one company..It would be interesting to know how she gets on with them keep us posted as I am on the look out too for work best of luck to her

horgan_p

Be careful not to mix them up with :
http://www.stream.ie/ - who are reputable.

horgan_p

from http://companycheck.co.uk/company/07361713/STREAM-CONSUMER-SOLUTIONS-LIMITED

Their business activity is recorded as Non-specialised Wholesale Trade.
Translation : door to door sales - tell your friend to take up busking. Theres more money to be made there.

lilmissprincess

A friend of mine did it. Worked 10 hour days five days a week for a month and got paid 150 in total, having had to pay for his transport to and from the places he was knocking...

Run.

miss_shadow

My brother *had* an interview with them until he figured it was market sales. worst job ever!

run_Forrest_run

Within 30 seconds of looking at their website I spotted several grammatical errors, it's the small things that give them away;)

SicklySweet

"We are excited to announce that our new office location is: Unit 34, Penrose Wharf."
That's also where another door to door marketing place is. Had an interview with them a month ago. Tried googling the name and apparently there's 3 different marketing companies in that unit. Unless they're all the same under different names :eek:
Edit: <snip>

quietsailor

thanks for all the replies folks,

My housemate (I'll use her initial "C") went to the working interview with them and came home crying. She went out door-to-door selling with a local manager who rated her and then gave his assesment to the manager on the next level up - something like an area manager I presume. When C said she didn't want the job the local manager started shouting at her that he had given her a good review and now was making him look bad

ffs how can you know a persons work ability & ethic in 2 hrs work, either way the shouting was out of line so she will never work there no matter what else the job was like.

It doesn't sound like a good place to work all in all

Sonics2k

Avoid them. It's another cold-call door to door company.

I used to work for a few companies like that years ago, and while you can sometimes make very good money, you can also go weeks/months without really making a penny. You'd easily spend more than you'd make at times.

Flesh Gorden

quietsailor wrote: »

thanks for all the replies folks,

My housemate (I'll use her initial "C") went to the working interview with them and came home crying. She went out door-to-door selling with a local manager who rated her and then gave his assesment to the manager on the next level up - something like an area manager I presume. When C said she didn't want the job the local manager started shouting at her that he had given her a good review and now was making him look bad

ffs how can you know a persons work ability & ethic in 2 hrs work, either way the shouting was out of line so she will never work there no matter what else the job was like.

It doesn't sound like a good place to work all in all

That kind of thing has been going on for the last 15+ years in the city

In the past similar operations were based out of MacCurtain St, the most infamous being Gallop (not to be confused with Gallup the survey company)

I'd a pretty surreal experience with Gallop a good few years ago which I typed up here:link
Your friends experience sounds identical to my own

Back then it was terrible quality toys and shavers being sold out of a large black rucksack by people in cheap suits.

In recent years similar companies branched off into aggressively trying to cold sell Sky packages and Airtricity, working as agents on behalf of them but not directly for them.

It's pretty difficult to find any information on the original company in America called DS Max who would have invented that type of selling

Except for this: link

Sonics2k

Flesh Gorden wrote: »

That kind of thing has been going on for the last 15+ years in the city

In the past similar operations were based out of MacCurtain St, the most infamous being Gallop (not to be confused with Gallup the survey company)

I'd a pretty surreal experience with Gallop a good few years ago which I typed up here:link
Your friends experience sounds identical to my own

Back then it was terrible quality toys and shavers being sold out of a large black rucksack by people in cheap suits.

In recent years similar companies branched off into aggressively trying to cold sell Sky packages and Airtricity, working as agents on behalf of them but not directly for them.

It's pretty difficult to find any information on the original company in America called DS Max who would have invented that type of selling

Except for this: link

Jaysus, I remember gallop marketing. Worked there for ages. Used to get in trouble for not joining the terrifying dance circle in the morning and other nonsense.

Flesh Gorden

Sonics2k wrote: »

Jaysus, I remember gallop marketing. Worked there for ages. Used to get in trouble for not joining the terrifying dance circle in the morning and other nonsense.

You might have an idea of some of the people I dealt with and mentioned in the first link.


I remember the blonde receptionist's first name changed 3 times in the space of two days and every one of their job ads had a different female contact name.

I think it was a rakish auburn haired lady in her late 30's that chased after me and it was a brother and sister who were running the whole thing.

Everyone in there looked really run down and unhealthy.


I wish now I'd recorded the whole thing as I'd say the likes of the Sunday World would bite your hand off for a story like that.

11811

Sonics2k wrote: »

Jaysus, I remember gallop marketing. Worked there for ages. Used to get in trouble for not joining the terrifying dance circle in the morning and other nonsense.

Oh god having flashbacks of that and the ridiculous bell ringing routine at the end of the day. Can't remember the name of the crowd I was with but was under the same umbrella as gallop but based over in Penrose Wharf. The "job" was absolute hell, was selling discount cards for hotels and then BT phone connections.

I'm amazed how these types of businesses are still going.

Cool_CM

Sonics2k wrote: »

Jaysus, I remember gallop marketing. Worked there for ages. Used to get in trouble for not joining the terrifying dance circle in the morning and other nonsense.

Went for an interview with them ages ago, was sent around on an "on the job" interview with some American guy i.e. going around attempting to sell tat to people who were working in shops around the city centre.

I terminated my own "interview".

Lemag

I went for an interview with Gallop about 10 years ago. During the interview I was told that they were one the top 3/5 (can't remember exactly which) marketing firms in the world. They had their logo pinted out on A4 paper and stuck up around their office. When I enquired about their website I was told that they were working on it. My experience with them ended there pretty much.

Sonics2k

Flesh Gorden wrote: »

You might have an idea of some of the people I dealt with and mentioned in the first link.


I remember the blonde receptionist's first name changed 3 times in the space of two days and every one of their job ads had a different female contact name.

I think it was a rakish auburn haired lady in her late 30's that chased after me and it was a brother and sister who were running the whole thing.

Everyone in there looked really run down and unhealthy.


I wish now I'd recorded the whole thing as I'd say the likes of the Sunday World would bite your hand off for a story like that.

I do remember them, including that little balding gobsheen K**th who ran the place, and his sister.

I actually felt so sorry for the people working there who took it seriously and got all involved. I'd happily stroll in late, grab my bag and leave. The "manager" (if you can call him that) used to have a fit about it, but I just told him to keep it down and let me sell the crap and go home.

hazelboots

Absolutely avoid I would say.

I actually had in mind another company based out in Santry when I applied for this job. These guys are based in the same premises as another cold calling, commission only dodgey sales company.

I just shot in a CV, no cover letter or anything to see what would happen. They emailed me back with a time slot for an interview for the day after. Usually an employer will call and not email to arrange an interview.

1JDog

Had an interview there today. Packed with applicants, a hot blonde receptionist with two stout guys also there. They seemed very enthusiastic when they rang me for the interview, got a call and Emma told me that her managing director was very excited to meet me..Lol, Im good but not that good.

I completely took the piss on the form that they asked me to fill in and for some reason I was offered a place in their 'On-the-Job Experience' day tomorrow. Adds all over the Internet. Seems a complete joke to be honest. Would like to know what type of experiences people had on this day

SicklySweet

1JDog wrote: »

Had an interview there today. Packed with applicants, a hot blonde receptionist with two stout guys also there. They seemed very enthusiastic when they rang me for the interview, got a call and Emma told me that her managing director was very excited to meet me..Lol, Im good but not that good.

I completely took the piss on the form that they asked me to fill in and for some reason I was offered a place in their 'On-the-Job Experience' day tomorrow. Adds all over the Internet. Seems a complete joke to be honest. Would like to know what type of experiences people had on this day

I did one in April. You get teamed up with another few applicants and a "leader" who works for the company anyway. We went to Carrigtwohill, another group went to Whitechurch. Basically we went up and down the street 3 times (to return to the houses that didn't answer the door), taking it in turns to knock on the door with the leader to see what they did. Then we went to another street and done the same, before returning to the first street again to see if we could get those final few people that didn't answer the door the other 3 times. 10 hours total. Bring a lunch :P

cantdecide

SicklySweet wrote: »

I did one in April. You get teamed up with another few applicants and a "leader" who works for the company anyway. We went to Carrigtwohill, another group went to Whitechurch. Basically we went up and down the street 3 times (to return to the houses that didn't answer the door), taking it in turns to knock on the door with the leader to see what they did. Then we went to another street and done the same, before returning to the first street again to see if we could get those final few people that didn't answer the door the other 3 times. 10 hours total. Bring a lunch :P

Exploitation, Ted.

lilmissprincess

They seem to be the same company as one I inteviewed for a few months back, my tale of my "interview" is here:
http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showpost.php?p=83836988&postcount=82

1JDog

@SicklySweet, you were hardly paid were you? And Im guessing that they took on anyone with half a brain..

SicklySweet

No, wasn't paid work, but our train tickets were bought for us? :pac:
And i do believe they hire anyone. When the owner of the company hired me, the leader had the most priceless "Oh fúck" look on his face because i would have been put onto his team. Because i got bored after 3 hours and started getting grumpy.
I said i'd take the job but thinking about it over the weekend, i decided not to.

UpCork

Thanks all for the 'heads up' on this.

I am currently sending out a rake load of CVs in order to try to get a marketing job. I was 'taken in' initially by the advertisement as not needing any experience so I sent out my CV to them and several other similar companies. It was only after doing so that I realised they were probably all much of a muchness as they were all in the same location.

It taught me a good lesson though - read the job desciption thoroughly. I was taken in by the graduate and full training - which I was thinkng was like an 'on the job' training in a marketing firm - at my age you'd think I wouldn't be so naive - but the small print was talking about face to face sales i.e. door to door selling. Ad never mentioned needing to drive etc which might have set alarm bells ringing.

Anyway, got an email then a call from Stream offering me an interview - was delighted, then did a bit of research and found this thread. Needless to say I didn't go for interview - lesson learned. I would hate a door to door sales role like that.

Was so glad of boards.ie - in future I'll do research before sending out CVs

Outcastangel

I got a job with them about 2 months ago, not being from Cork I had no idea how dodge Penrose Wharf was. I was leaving a job for this. THANK GOD I didn't.

I went out on my first days training and was mortified when we finally made a sale. My self and the guy who was training me in were leaving after making the sale and giving the general bull**** and he asked for a cigarette!?!?
The woman who was young enough was taken aback but of course gave him one! Then he turned and said take one to me, even though I was dying for a smoke I was way to embarrassed to take it!

All of them that work there say how they make so much money but as I only seen one sale I doubt they make much! I didn't show up for the second day of training!

Guinea11

My sister got a call last year to go for interview with them. After a bit of Internet searching by our Mom, we found it sounded a bit off so she cancelled the interview, lucky escape! However, I applied for admin work with a place in Penrose Wharf called Peerless Acquistions- has anyone heard of them?? I love admin work so said I'd give this crowd a shot. Went for interview yest- was told they were a huge company in the uk for the past 6 years! Dealt with Vodafone, and all these huge companies and was I available immediately to be sent to Manchester for training! There was no one at all in this office besides the managing director who I felt was a bit off and there weren't even proper filing cabinets or anything that you'd expect in an office. He also said he'd done 30-40 interviews in a day (not possible) and he was going to decide last night who to choose. I've looked this place up on the net and nothing found for them being in the uk!! And keeps saying its a new thing in Cork.. Am I the only one who thinks this is dodge?! My gut feeling is telling me it is..

Faith

Stream and all of its ilk are based on Penrose Wharf, so the location alone would be cause for alarm for me.

Guinea11

Clearly an area to keep away from.. My friend just got a call about going for interview ASAP with them. She found it off too though so not going. I've done some more digging and found that the managing director is only 25 and has had 2 companies shut already so the gut feeling was right to keep away!!!!

SicklySweet

Guinea11 wrote: »

Clearly an area to keep away from.. My friend just got a call about going for interview ASAP with them. She found it off too though so not going. I've done some more digging and found that the managing director is only 25 and has had 2 companies shut already so the gut feeling was right to keep away!!!!

That's the guy i went to an interview for! So same guy is running all these companies? :eek:

johndub88

Stream consumer solutions is set up in Dublin aswell!They're all part of a bigger organisation called Per Dm! They're hundreds of theses companies all part of Per dm, Cobra marketing, Ds max. They say you can progress from within 6 to 12 months making 80k a year! Most of you're questions are not answered or aren't welcomed at all. While working with stream I was selling Airtricity door to door for about 11 hours a day 6 day a week!Don't get me wrong you can make alot of money but you have to pay for all your own travel to get there and we went on "road trips" to other parts of the country and stayed there for the week working while we paid for our own accommodation. When i was bringing interviewee's out on there "observation day" I would be introduced as an important part of the business an as an "accounts manager"! Then i was told by the manager himself, not to let the "observation" ask to many questions and take control of the conversation. Its called multilevel marketing similar to a pyramid scheme with jesse young and justin cobb at the top!When you get through the "training programme" and make management the companys higher up give you a loan to open up your office so even when they post how much they're making on the wall every week they have rent to pay on the building bills, the loan they owe, and also have to give a % cut of there profit to the companies higher up!!

diograis

friend and sister both worked for basically the same company, they're pasted all over the job sites... The stories are ridiculous, bunch of chancers

alan8

Hey, I just have an interview with these guys today, they just changed their name from Stream Consumer Solutions to Peerless Acquisitions in Sep. I am just finished college and a bit green:eek: and I can't seem to find any good information on these guys? Please help

lilmissprincess

Run, as fast as you can.

unknown111

DOOR TO DOOR SALES AND PAID ON COMMISSION.

i came across this company when i was searching for jobs online. I applied and got called in for an interview and then a trial.

i wasn't sure what the job was exactly as it didn't give much of a description on the advert just that it had something to do with sales , I did ask a few questions at the interview to try and find out what this job was exactly , but i never got a straight answer. I didnt want to keep asking because it would give the impression i just applied and that i'm not very interested in the job.

I came in for the trial and got brought to a location almost 2 hours away with one of the staff from stream.
I was a bit annoyed at this because i was never told that we would even be leaving there office in penrose wharf. I was thinking about just getting out before we went but I really needed to find a job so i just went along.
Everytime i asked a question on the way down they said they would explain at a certain time and i was honestly getting a bit worried.

When we got to the location I had to walk around for around 8 hours on my feet DOOR TO DOOR , trying to get people to sign up for a charity.

I was very angry as one thing that was not mentioned in there advert/website/interview was Direct selling/cold calling/door to door. and i was almost 2 hours away from home so i couldn't just leave or have someone collect me, if I was still in town i would of left straight away.

I got back to penrose wharf at around 10 o clock that night, I was asked to wait outside the office and to fill out a questionnaire form about the day and that i would be called in for a meeting with the manager in a few minutes after the member of staff that i had gone out with that day gave a review. A part of me just wanted to leave without going into the meeting as i did not want this job at all. I was so tired and so annoyed and just wanted to get home. but i didn't want to be rude so i filled out the form & waited.

I got called in and the manager said I had gotten a good review and that they would like me to start tomorrow. I found it hard to turn it down but I had to because there was no way I could do this job , Door to Door selling every day and only getting paid on COMMISSION. So i simply said no, and that the job wasn't for me , that i don't think id be good at direct selling and that somebody else would be better suited for the position. I was polite and honest about it , But suddenly the managers attitude changed and he actually gave out to me as if i have wasted their time and made me feel really bad. I left in tears , i was so embarrassed & angry.

I Would not recommend working for this company to anyone. I am still looking for work but I couldn't work there. Not just because of the direct selling door to door, finding your own transport to these locations all over Cork & ireland , being paid on commision but because of the staff being rude and unprofessional.

unknown111

they probaly changed the name because of the reviews

b2012foxhunt

I'd like to know if anyone who has commented on this has actually worked for any of the per dm companies for a long stretch of time and actually learnt what they were taught???? Because I've currently been working as a rep for this company with the past year and I find the comments on this ridiculous!!! People make direct marketing companies sound like slave labour. I doubt anyone has ever heard the saying good things come to those who don't want to put in effort. All the managing directors of our business try to do is help people build solid careers in Ireland during a time of recession when work is limited. I see most of the comments are from people who have no experience with the company or who have gone out on training days and didn't have the stamina to work in an outdoors job. The clients that we work with are involved in all areas from charities such as the Irish red cross, airtricity, talktalk and vodafone plus many more, these are well known businesses, if there was anything dodgy about any of the per dm companies then why would businesses such as those named above be using per dm as a direct marketing company. Is it perhaps because the companies actually benefit from reps going door to door to market their services/products????
I also noticed there is a lot of bad press against going door to door and commission. I understand this is not for everyone but unless you actually experience it and complete training then how are you to know if this type of job is for you. I myself have personally taken many people out on observation days and each person would have completely different personalities as well as different perceptions on door to door selling and although some found it wasn't for them a lot of these people went on to complete the training programme and are very successful in what they do. As for the upset about working on commission if you work by what we call systems and are positive about what you sell its very easy to make sales and earn between 400 - 500 every week bare minimum. In fact a trainee of mine made in his first week in the job 1025 euros..... I highly doubt anybody commenting on this can stand up and say that.
In my 12 months working in this business I have never made less then 400 euros a week and am delighted to say that the mentoring I received from my leaders and managers has been nothing but constructive and positive to help me reach my goals. I have never had a bad experience and the friends that I have made in my time in this job are ones I trust more then my own family. I understand it's difficult to know if something suits you but there's no reason if your out of work why you should not make a go of door to door sales the money is there iv made it and the progression is available as well iv seen it all it takes is for a person to remain positive, put in the effort required and to actually listen to the advice given by people with experience they only say what they know works best.
I know most people will take this without a drop of notice but its very easy to find negative comments and press on anything you search for so I wanted people to hear the positive look on things.

Dave147

Yes, everyone here is definitely wrong and you are so right, person who joined just to post defending one of the companies you work for...

Get a grip, these companies are leeches and are absolutely diabolical places to work.

Lady in Black

b2012foxhunt wrote: »

I'd like to know if anyone who has commented on this has actually worked for any of the per dm companies for a long stretch of time and actually learnt what they were taught???? Because I've currently been working as a rep for this company with the past year and I find the comments on this ridiculous!!! People make direct marketing companies sound like slave labour. I doubt anyone has ever heard the saying good things come to those who don't want to put in effort. All the managing directors of our business try to do is help people build solid careers in Ireland during a time of recession when work is limited. I see most of the comments are from people who have no experience with the company or who have gone out on training days and didn't have the stamina to work in an outdoors job. The clients that we work with are involved in all areas from charities such as the Irish red cross, airtricity, talktalk and vodafone plus many more, these are well known businesses, if there was anything dodgy about any of the per dm companies then why would businesses such as those named above be using per dm as a direct marketing company. Is it perhaps because the companies actually benefit from reps going door to door to market their services/products????
I also noticed there is a lot of bad press against going door to door and commission. I understand this is not for everyone but unless you actually experience it and complete training then how are you to know if this type of job is for you. I myself have personally taken many people out on observation days and each person would have completely different personalities as well as different perceptions on door to door selling and although some found it wasn't for them a lot of these people went on to complete the training programme and are very successful in what they do. As for the upset about working on commission if you work by what we call systems and are positive about what you sell its very easy to make sales and earn between 400 - 500 every week bare minimum. In fact a trainee of mine made in his first week in the job 1025 euros..... I highly doubt anybody commenting on this can stand up and say that.
In my 12 months working in this business I have never made less then 400 euros a week and am delighted to say that the mentoring I received from my leaders and managers has been nothing but constructive and positive to help me reach my goals. I have never had a bad experience and the friends that I have made in my time in this job are ones I trust more then my own family. I understand it's difficult to know if something suits you but there's no reason if your out of work why you should not make a go of door to door sales the money is there iv made it and the progression is available as well iv seen it all it takes is for a person to remain positive, put in the effort required and to actually listen to the advice given by people with experience they only say what they know works best.
I know most people will take this without a drop of notice but its very easy to find negative comments and press on anything you search for so I wanted people to hear the positive look on things.

Dear b2012foxhunt,

I have witnessed first hand, the effect a job like this has on somebody, as it caused the breakdown of my relationship.

The fact of the matter is, anyone who actually thinks they can make a career out of a job like that has been completely brainwashed by the management.
I struggled for almost a year to make my ex see sense regarding choosing this dodgy, commission based joke of a "job" over something stable.

I do have to argue that these types of positions ARE slave labour, working from 7am until 11pm. (having to be in the office for pep talks from early morning, knocking on doors from 11 - 7, then back to the office again!) all the while being lucky to make 3 sales per day (Airtricity was worth €30 per sale) hours vs wage does'nt really balance out at all!

Another issue i would have with these type of jobs is the fact there is no obligation (by the company, not state) to pay tax on any earnings, it is a pet hate of mine that while i work full time i have to contribute nearly €300 per month to the revenue, while "self-employed" sales people in these companies normally don't declare their earnings.

Oh i was also forgetting to mention how Stream Copnsumer Solutions in Dublin is now under a different name, to lure more unsuspecting people in for interviews as their job adverts are always ever so...vague...
Also the previous management there have upped and moved to the UK, to sell the more gimicks over there, and maybe because people are fed up answering their doors to them here.

I could be here all day with the issues i have with these type of companies, i hate them with a passion, and cannot deal with how some people fall for their nonsense and actually believe they will get their own office within a few months of working there.

Regarding your trainee making so much money in their first week, i bet that money went on travel costs and accomodation for all your 'road trips' the poor sod won't see that kind of money again.

CorkEgoVulture

b2012foxhunt wrote: »

I'd like to know if anyone who has commented on this has actually worked for any of the per dm companies for a long stretch of time and actually learnt what they were taught???? Because I've currently been working as a rep for this company with the past year and I find the comments on this ridiculous!!! People make direct marketing companies sound like slave labour. I doubt anyone has ever heard the saying good things come to those who don't want to put in effort. All the managing directors of our business try to do is help people build solid careers in Ireland during a time of recession when work is limited. I see most of the comments are from people who have no experience with the company or who have gone out on training days and didn't have the stamina to work in an outdoors job. The clients that we work with are involved in all areas from charities such as the Irish red cross, airtricity, talktalk and vodafone plus many more, these are well known businesses, if there was anything dodgy about any of the per dm companies then why would businesses such as those named above be using per dm as a direct marketing company. Is it perhaps because the companies actually benefit from reps going door to door to market their services/products????
I also noticed there is a lot of bad press against going door to door and commission. I understand this is not for everyone but unless you actually experience it and complete training then how are you to know if this type of job is for you. I myself have personally taken many people out on observation days and each person would have completely different personalities as well as different perceptions on door to door selling and although some found it wasn't for them a lot of these people went on to complete the training programme and are very successful in what they do. As for the upset about working on commission if you work by what we call systems and are positive about what you sell its very easy to make sales and earn between 400 - 500 every week bare minimum. In fact a trainee of mine made in his first week in the job 1025 euros..... I highly doubt anybody commenting on this can stand up and say that.
In my 12 months working in this business I have never made less then 400 euros a week and am delighted to say that the mentoring I received from my leaders and managers has been nothing but constructive and positive to help me reach my goals. I have never had a bad experience and the friends that I have made in my time in this job are ones I trust more then my own family. I understand it's difficult to know if something suits you but there's no reason if your out of work why you should not make a go of door to door sales the money is there iv made it and the progression is available as well iv seen it all it takes is for a person to remain positive, put in the effort required and to actually listen to the advice given by people with experience they only say what they know works best.
I know most people will take this without a drop of notice but its very easy to find negative comments and press on anything you search for so I wanted people to hear the positive look on things.

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