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Golf at 50: Want to break 100

  • 31-05-2013 10:11am
    #1
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,866 ✭✭✭


    Ok heres a bit of history to this.

    Have dabbled at golf over the years mainly during my 20s but never committed to it but played a couple of rounds every year until my mid 20s.
    Since then I have payed maybe 10 rounds in 20 years.

    I have just turned 50 and have got a new set of clubs and a membership to the local club so I have started to go out with my 13 year old son. I have hacked around without keeping score but I want to have a goal so.....

    I have taken a couple of lessons from the local pro (4 so far) and he has basically taken me back to basics with the swing as I have no power at all. He tells me that over-analyse things and that is holding me back. I am still struggling with distance but I can hit an occasional middling shot distance wise.

    Using Golflogix app on my phone, I went out yesterday to record a score for 18 holes for the first time and was shocked at how bad I was.

    I scored 120 on a par 69 :eek:

    The worst part of this was I only had one 3-putt (my short game has always been strong) and 32 putts in that total. My biggest problem are a couple of
    par 3s that are 140-150 yrds in length with water in front and unless I pull the driver out (which might fly the green if caught flush) I dont have a club that I can reach with.

    My average drive distances according to Golflogix are 143 yds with a best of 183.

    I can hit a 3 hybrid 150 off the deck if caught with a Sunday best but my irons all "fly" c100 yds on average (unless they're scuttling along the fairway and under a bush somewhere).

    I know that I need to improve my ball striking to get anywhere but can I realistically expect to reach a target of sub 100 taking up the game at my age? I am very supple and fit for my age btw.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,893 ✭✭✭alxmorgan


    Panrich wrote: »
    Ok heres a bit of history to this.

    Have dabbled at golf over the years mainly during my 20s but never committed to it but played a couple of rounds every year until my mid 20s.
    Since then I have payed maybe 10 rounds in 20 years.

    I have just turned 50 and have got a new set of clubs and a membership to the local club so I have started to go out with my 13 year old son. I have hacked around without keeping score but I want to have a goal so.....

    I have taken a couple of lessons from the local pro (4 so far) and he has basically taken me back to basics with the swing as I have no power at all. He tells me that over-analyse things and that is holding me back. I am still struggling with distance but I can hit an occasional middling shot distance wise.

    Using Golflogix app on my phone, I went out yesterday to record a score for 18 holes for the first time and was shocked at how bad I was.

    I scored 120 on a par 69 :eek:

    The worst part of this was I only had one 3-putt (my short game has always been strong) and 32 putts in that total. My biggest problem are a couple of
    par 3s that are 140-150 yrds in length with water in front and unless I pull the driver out (which might fly the green if caught flush) I dont have a club that I can reach with.

    My average drive distances according to Golflogix are 143 yds with a best of 183.

    I can hit a 3 hybrid 150 off the deck if caught with a Sunday best but my irons all "fly" c100 yds on average (unless they're scuttling along the fairway and under a bush somewhere).

    I know that I need to improve my ball striking to get anywhere but can I realistically expect to reach a target of sub 100 taking up the game at my age? I am very supple and fit for my age btw.

    Can you break 100 ? Definitely.
    Will it be easy ? Nope....this game just isn't :D

    What has the pro done with you so far ?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,866 ✭✭✭Panrich


    alxmorgan wrote: »
    Can you break 100 ? Definitely.
    Will it be easy ? Nope....this game just isn't :D

    What has the pro done with you so far ?

    Thanks for taking the time to reply.

    In my first lesson he had me hit a few shots with my 7 iron and I was hitting them all out about 90 yrds and when one made it about 105 he asked if 'that's probably as good as it gets for you at present?' He said that I was just swinging with my body (no real arm or shoulder turn) and that we'd have to address that. He siad that my grip was good and no work required on that.

    Lesson 1: Half shots. Back to parallel and through to parallel.

    Am able to hit these 80-100

    Lesson 2: lengthen the backswing a little and hit through.

    Again these go about 100. Happy with my stancce at address.

    Lesson 3: Cock wrists and complete backswing.

    These were going about 100. Inconsistency crept in during practice after the round.

    Lesson 4: Re-enforcing lesson 3. He said I won't see an increase in distance until I can repeat the swing at a faster tempo as at the moment I can hit it smoothly until I try to hit a little harder where it all falls apart.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,893 ✭✭✭alxmorgan


    Panrich wrote: »
    Thanks for taking the time to reply.

    In my first lesson he had me hit a few shots with my 7 iron and I was hitting them all out about 90 yrds and when one made it about 105 he asked if 'that's probably as good as it gets for you at present?' He said that I was just swinging with my body (no real arm or shoulder turn) and that we'd have to address that. He siad that my grip was good and no work required on that.

    Lesson 1: Half shots. Back to parallel and through to parallel.

    Am able to hit these 80-100

    Lesson 2: lengthen the backswing a little and hit through.

    Again these go about 100. Happy with my stancce at address.

    Lesson 3: Cock wrists and complete backswing.

    These were going about 100. Inconsistency crept in during practice after the round.

    Lesson 4: Re-enforcing lesson 3. He said I won't see an increase in distance until I can repeat the swing at a faster tempo as at the moment I can hit it smoothly until I try to hit a little harder where it all falls apart.

    Ok well you made a good choice getting lessons. Stick with them and with what you are told.

    Here's a video on why clubs go the same distance:

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VT9ZnsKJXcM

    If you want some good online resources I list them below (I am probably on the over-analysis side too but no harm in learning more about the subject):

    Mark Crossfield
    http://www.youtube.com/user/4golfonline#g/u

    Shawn Clement (a bit different but can be very good)
    http://www.youtube.com/user/clemshaw?feature=watch

    Andrew Rice (some great explanations about stuff and drills)
    http://www.andrewricegolf.com/

    Trackman Maestro (again some great explanation esp on ball flight)
    http://www.youtube.com/user/WaiteMayoGolf?feature=watch

    If you feel like uploading a video of your swing then work away and I'm sure the helpful boardies on here will reply with useful comments


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,866 ✭✭✭Panrich


    alxmorgan wrote: »
    Ok well you made a good choice getting lessons. Stick with them and with what you are told.

    Here's a video on why clubs go the same distance:

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VT9ZnsKJXcM

    If you want some good online resources I list them below (I am probably on the over-analysis side too but no harm in learning more about the subject):

    Mark Crossfield
    http://www.youtube.com/user/4golfonline#g/u

    Shawn Clement (a bit different but can be very good)
    http://www.youtube.com/user/clemshaw?feature=watch

    Andrew Rice (some great explanations about stuff and drills)
    http://www.andrewricegolf.com/

    Trackman Maestro (again some great explanation esp on ball flight)
    http://www.youtube.com/user/WaiteMayoGolf?feature=watch

    If you feel like uploading a video of your swing then work away and I'm sure the helpful boardies on here will reply with useful comments


    Thank you for taking the time to put these links together. I am away this weekend visiting relations so I will get a chance to look these over as I won't be getting out for a round.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 802 ✭✭✭m r c


    Getting distance on your golf shots has less to do with your size and strength than most people would imagine. 183 yards with your driver isn't that bad depending on bad technique tbh.
    I'm 6' 4" and strong but at first all my drives fell at around 200 when I managed to connect. My problem is I was trying to break the ball now I swing much easier and the ball flies. For me the key is to swing easy without swinging lazy and I find it very hard. But then golf is a pure mother sometimes.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,185 ✭✭✭✭FixdePitchmark


    Best of luck on thread - we have had threads like this - but many were head cases, thinking they were good, hoping to beat the world. ;) - ends in tears and hoping of the past to be the future.

    I like that there is an age thing in it , as many on here are younger and you will give a different angle on it and life.

    A wisdom , a realism, a grumpy old man, laissez faire approach - joking with the generalisation.

    I'm going to say it - breaking 100 would be a lowish target for you - Tom Watson is 63 - the seniors starts at 50. I'm not saying you will be pro. But, with enough effort EVERYBODY can break 90 imo. Imo means In My Opinion BTW - ooooohhhhh forget it. LMAO :P

    So it depends on the time you have. But you should be able to break 90.

    The distance thing is your first problem. A driver on a par3. You said you are in good shape. So a pro should be able to solve this.

    By the way , you are only 50 - I'm been told 50 is the new 36 , that makes 36 the new 25.92.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,866 ✭✭✭Panrich


    I want to update this with how I have been doing since.

    I have taken a break from lessons as I felt that I had reached a point where I needed to concentrate on practising what I had been taught for a while before moving to the next stage.

    When I asked the question I was still shocked at how far off being even a middling golfer I was, and was wondering if coming off that low base it was even possible to improve enough to allow me to enjoy myself without being an embarrassment in company.

    During June, I went on a family holiday for two weeks and therefore I had a total break for that time. Before going, I bought a book to read on holiday called 'Picture Perfect Swing' by Michael Breed. By videoing my swing, I can see where I am not in the correct positions throughout my swing. I seem fine on the backswing but it all goes a bit pearshaped on the downswing.

    On the 22nd, I got back and went out for a round on the 25th. I shot 117 which was a 3 shot improvement. Over the last week I played some holes regularly and also went to the range. My driving has all gone hopelessly wrong with a vicous slice and reduced distances.

    Even with that impediment, I shot 110 last night as my 3 hybrid is saving me (averaging 130 yds straightish) as well as my putting (33 putts). I still have major problems with iron distances as I feel that I could take them all from my bag without any impediment. I only ever use the 9-PW as these cover up to 100 yards. Beyond that I am into hybrid territory.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,331 ✭✭✭mike12


    100 for a 9 iron and 130 for a 3 hybrid means something is wrong in there.
    To break 100 you will need to find more distance maybe look at getting a high lofted driver for a bit of extra carry. If you can get up close to 200 off the tee then you will have a chance of getting close to mose par 4's in 2 then just work on the chipping as the putting seems ok.
    Keep up the hard work and it will pay off, but you need to get the driver going.
    Maybe look at sticking in a couple of more Hybrids or even a full set of them.
    What Irons and Driver do you have at the moment? Did you get fitted for them?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,866 ✭✭✭Panrich


    On a few occasions, I can catch an iron and it will fly out a good distance for me (eg 6i 135yds) but a consistent smooth swing gives me 100-120 yds on all my irons. It is not to do with my age either as I have always struggled for distance, even when I was very strong, fit and active in other sports (GAA and soccer) when much younger.

    I have this set:

    http://www.mcguirksgolf.com/wilson-deepred-hl-package-set/wilc0105pd.html

    I was not fiited for them.

    I'm still hopeful that I can break 100 but I am definately hampered by the lack of distance. My previous golf clubs were blades and I had the same problems with distance. It's very frustrating because when I get within range, I don't waste too many shots and from all the posts on here and elsewhere, it is more difficult to cure short game ills than long game problems. Not for me though, unfortunately. In all my rounfs so far, I have only hit 2 greens in regulation (short par 3).


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 27,370 ✭✭✭✭GreeBo


    have none of the lessons addressed your lack of distance?

    also if your hybrid is going 130 and your wedge is going 100, leave the woods at home and just hit your high irons.

    7 iron should go the same distance and be much more reliable.


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 201 ✭✭EvanCornwallis


    Panrich wrote: »
    I want to update this with how I have been doing since.

    I have taken a break from lessons as I felt that I had reached a point where I needed to concentrate on practising what I had been taught for a while before moving to the next stage.

    When I asked the question I was still shocked at how far off being even a middling golfer I was, and was wondering if coming off that low base it was even possible to improve enough to allow me to enjoy myself without being an embarrassment in company.

    During June, I went on a family holiday for two weeks and therefore I had a total break for that time. Before going, I bought a book to read on holiday called 'Picture Perfect Swing' by Michael Breed. By videoing my swing, I can see where I am not in the correct positions throughout my swing. I seem fine on the backswing but it all goes a bit pearshaped on the downswing.

    On the 22nd, I got back and went out for a round on the 25th. I shot 117 which was a 3 shot improvement. Over the last week I played some holes regularly and also went to the range. My driving has all gone hopelessly wrong with a vicous slice and reduced distances.

    Even with that impediment, I shot 110 last night as my 3 hybrid is saving me (averaging 130 yds straightish) as well as my putting (33 putts). I still have major problems with iron distances as I feel that I could take them all from my bag without any impediment. I only ever use the 9-PW as these cover up to 100 yards. Beyond that I am into hybrid territory.

    How many lessons have you had ? What have you been taught that you are now working on ?

    A big slice and a hybrid going 130 yards, I'm shocked you even managed to shoot 110.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,029 ✭✭✭tbaymusicman


    Hi Panrich, I am going to join you on your quest to beat 100 :). I am new to the game as well maybe 10-15 games in and sometimes it is so frustrating but i am truly hooked. I wish you my best and i will be back to check in on this post often.Sorry i have no advice for you other then keep at it and celebrate the good shots as my brother always says.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,866 ✭✭✭Panrich


    How many lessons have you had ? What have you been taught that you are now working on ?

    A big slice and a hybrid going 130 yards, I'm shocked you even managed to shoot 110.

    It's quite funny actually. I spent more time on the wrong faiways as my drives were so wayward but at least I didn't have to walk far to get to them.

    As in post number 3. As I said I seem to have a decent short game, knocking wedges close enough and putting consistently. Maybe I should take up pitch and putt instead :confused:.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,866 ✭✭✭Panrich


    Hi Panrich, I am going to join you on your quest to beat 100 :). I am new to the game as well maybe 10-15 games in and sometimes it is so frustrating but i am truly hooked. I wish you my best and i will be back to check in on this post often.Sorry i have no advice for you other then keep at it and celebrate the good shots as my brother always says.


    Great. Do you feel that you are making progress? How far have you to go numbers wise?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,866 ✭✭✭Panrich


    GreeBo wrote: »
    have none of the lessons addressed your lack of distance?

    also if your hybrid is going 130 and your wedge is going 100, leave the woods at home and just hit your high irons.

    7 iron should go the same distance and be much more reliable.

    Thanks Greebo. I seem to be able to hit the hybrids more consistently. In any case, I can't hit a 7 iron more than 100-110.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 27,370 ✭✭✭✭GreeBo


    Panrich wrote: »
    Thanks Greebo. I seem to be able to hit the hybrids more consistently. In any case, I can't hit a 7 iron more than 100-110.

    so what d the Puerto say is causing this?
    if you can hit a wedge 100 outta not a physical it's technique.
    you are probably flipping, but again surely your Pro has commented on this?


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 201 ✭✭EvanCornwallis


    Panrich wrote: »
    It's quite funny actually. I spent more time on the wrong faiways as my drives were so wayward but at least I didn't have to walk far to get to them.

    As in post number 3. As I said I seem to have a decent short game, knocking wedges close enough and putting consistently. Maybe I should take up pitch and putt instead :confused:.

    I think you should find a new pro, Irons are normally the first thing they take a look at and sort out.

    Stick with the golf , just go and get your irons sorted. You need to start hitting down on them from what I gather.

    A good Pro will get you on the right track a lot quicker than you think.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,866 ✭✭✭Panrich


    GreeBo wrote: »
    so what d the Puerto say is causing this?
    if you can hit a wedge 100 outta not a physical it's technique.
    you are probably flipping, but again surely your Pro has commented on this?

    He didn't say a lot about it to be honest. I had thought it might be fairly straightforward to find an error of this magnitude myself and that was my motivation to get lessons in the first place so I am a bit disheartened in that regard. It's like there is a secret that everyone knows except me and it's driving me mad.

    In the first lesson he told me that I am not using my arms at all in the swing and that needed to be addressed. I posted the things we worked on in post #3 but I am now told that all I need is to build up the speed of the swing. The problem for me is that once I start swinging faster I lose the control. In any case, I dont 'feel' as though I swing too slow and even if I am, I would still expect a 5 iron to go much further than a wedge if there is nothing else to be fixed technically.

    Ah well! The joys of golf.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,866 ✭✭✭Panrich


    I think you should find a new pro, Irons are normally the first thing they take a look at and sort out.

    Stick with the golf , just go and get your irons sorted. You need to start hitting down on them from what I gather.

    A good Pro will get you on the right track a lot quicker than you think.

    Thank you. Got a voucher for the Slieve Russell for my birthday and they have a deal for an hours recorded lesson that I think I will try. As you say, a new perspective might help.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 201 ✭✭EvanCornwallis


    Panrich wrote: »
    Thank you. Got a voucher for the Slieve Russell for my birthday and they have a deal for an hours recorded lesson that I think I will try. As you say, a new perspective might help.

    I just read read your post on what the other pro was working on. Instead of thinking hitting through , get your mind set on hitting down. Your hands will be pulling the butt of the club down towards the ball.

    When you go to this pro , have a chat with him and tell him you are struggling with your irons and you want to start hitting them proper distances. With a good pro and the fact you have some technique with a good short game, I'd be shocked if you weren't back here telling us about good progression after your next couple lessons.

    Best of luck.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,708 ✭✭✭allybhoy


    Just reading this thread now, wish you all the best in your challenge.

    As some others have said, I think maybe changing pro's will help as you should definitely be able to hit an iron more than 100 yards regardless of age \size\strength. I would also concur that it seems to be a swing issue and the right pro will definitely be able to help with this.

    I had a problem about a year ago, all of a sudden i started fading every shot for no reason. I got lessons from a pro to fix it, and just wasn't happy with the way they were going, he tried to change everything from my swing to my stance and grip and even tried to get me custom fitted for clubs. After 5 lessons I was a much worse player and actually gave up golf for a few months as I was disillusioned with the game. Rather than give up entirely, I went back to another pro for lessons and instead of trying to completely change my game , he made some simple adjustments to my address that I could comfortably work with and after one or two lessons I was back striking the ball much cleaner and the fade vanished. I still get a lesson from him once a month and every lesson I get I learn something new from him.

    Im sure the first pro I got lessons off was trying to teach me the "correct" way to address and hit the ball the way a textbook golfer would, but I just couldn't play that way. I told the new pro the history of the lessons id had etc and so he worked around my flaws and got me back hitting the ball with a few very minor changes that worked for me. Hopefully you will find a pro who can do likewise


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 27,370 ✭✭✭✭GreeBo


    ^ I think both of the above approaches have their merits
    For breaking 100 Id go with the second, but if you want to break 70/80 then I think you have to accept that you will have to make some large changes.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 998 ✭✭✭John Divney


    You should ask a pro about right hand 'hitting' which doesn't require the flexibillty of and range of motiion a left arm swing does. If you can have decent strength in your right tricep, which at 50 should be no problem, you should be able to get appropriate distance into your irons once you get better technique.

    I think it's a far simpler way to hit the ball for older players taking the game up.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 379 ✭✭Someday


    Lessons are Key, defo keep them up ! Its takes time though.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,736 ✭✭✭ssbob


    Interesting thread, it is so frustrating this game, it took me an age to break 100 initially and then got to 95 quickly enough, but now consistently shoot between 95-105 and had been searching for another break through which came last week to get to 92. A lot of time is needed though and I just don't have it in the way I need it to get a lot lower.

    It seems strange that the pro has a problem with you using all body, and not enough hands, any pro's I have been to want me to use less hands and more body.........but one "trick" to start using your hands more is instead of keeping your head watching the spot where the ball is try and keep your chest pointing at that spot allowing your hands to swing through the ball.

    Another thing I noticed with a beginner friend was that he was trying to scoop the ball(Hitting under the ball) rather than hitting through the ball, lost loads of distance because of it.

    You say above that you played GAA, did you ever have any issues using a hurl?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 27,370 ✭✭✭✭GreeBo


    You should ask a pro about right hand 'hitting' which doesn't require the flexibillty of and range of motiion a left arm swing does. If you can have decent strength in your right tricep, which at 50 should be no problem, you should be able to get appropriate distance into your irons once you get better technique.

    I think it's a far simpler way to hit the ball for older players taking the game up.

    I think I'd he is hitting a pw 100 yards then this isn't the issue.
    op, do you take a divot at all?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,472 ✭✭✭stockdam


    It's hard to diagnose over the internet. You said that most of your clubs go about the same distance (100 to 140 yards). That would imply poor technique. Do you hot the ball cleanly, do you thin it or do you hit it fat?

    Golf takes years to get on top of (well to a reasonable standard) and even then you need to play 2 to 3 times per week to maintain.

    It will take time before the fundamentals click and I'm afraid that you'll just have to persevere. That means many frustrating hours practicing. One useful technique is to watch good plays and watch how they swing the club and then try to mimick them (much easier when you are young).

    Are you very overweight as this can be a problem.......you need to be able to turn your shoulders and swing your arms freely. I've played with people who cannot get the club past waist high and they will always struggle to hit the ball a decent distance.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,866 ✭✭✭Panrich


    GreeBo wrote: »
    I think I'd he is hitting a pw 100 yards then this isn't the issue.
    op, do you take a divot at all?

    Yes. I take a divot after the ball.
    stockdam wrote: »
    It's hard to diagnose over the internet. You said that most of your clubs go about the same distance (100 to 140 yards). That would imply poor technique. Do you hot the ball cleanly, do you thin it or do you hit it fat?

    Golf takes years to get on top of (well to a reasonable standard) and even then you need to play 2 to 3 times per week to maintain.

    It will take time before the fundamentals click and I'm afraid that you'll just have to persevere. That means many frustrating hours practicing. One useful technique is to watch good plays and watch how they swing the club and then try to mimick them (much easier when you are young).

    Are you very overweight as this can be a problem.......you need to be able to turn your shoulders and swing your arms freely. I've played with people who cannot get the club past waist high and they will always struggle to hit the ball a decent distance.

    I'm not really overwight. I'm about 13 1/2 stone and 5ft 10.

    UPDATE::

    Thank you all so much for the advice. It really is appeciated and it's great to know that people take the time to help others. I suppose that everyone who plays golf has had demons of some sort to confront at some stage so can empathise easily.

    I seem to be more consistent in the past week or so in practice. I noticed that I was not getting through to my left side very well so I concentrated on getting my left hip out of the way at impact and this seems to have had a major effect on my ball striking.

    I got V1 software and can see that I do cast the club on the way down. I have a good position at impact though with a straight left arm/club and a forward lean.
    I have been practising with a football a couple of feet behind the ball and this has seems to really help as when I cast I hit the football. I'm going out tomorrow again so it's another chance to put all my practice to the acid test.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,893 ✭✭✭alxmorgan


    Panrich wrote: »
    Yes. I take a divot after the ball.



    I'm not really overwight. I'm about 13 1/2 stone and 5ft 10.

    UPDATE::

    Thank you all so much for the advice. It really is appeciated and it's great to know that people take the time to help others. I suppose that everyone who plays golf has had demons of some sort to confront at some stage so can empathise easily.

    I seem to be more consistent in the past week or so in practice. I noticed that I was not getting through to my left side very well so I concentrated on getting my left hip out of the way at impact and this seems to have had a major effect on my ball striking.

    I got V1 software and can see that I do cast the club on the way down. I have a good position at impact though with a straight left arm/club and a forward lean.
    I have been practising with a football a couple of feet behind the ball and this has seems to really help as when I cast I hit the football. I'm going out tomorrow again so it's another chance to put all my practice to the acid test.

    One thing that may help (insert health warning about not seeing swing, see your pro etc etc) is to shorten your backswing.

    This should help you get on to your left side easier as you won't be going so much to your right. Short and snappy can be better than a long loose swing for certain people where all the power is gone by the time they get back to the ball.

    Start by playing with a really short swing and see how it works. You can really come through the ball hard if you want to.


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  • Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 7,268 Mod ✭✭✭✭charlieIRL


    I used to be the exact same a few years ago - 5 to 9iron were all going about 110 meters no matter what i done. Long par 4's and all par 5's were a nightmare. After 3 lessons my pro got it sorted.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,866 ✭✭✭Panrich


    charlieIRL wrote: »
    I used to be the exact same a few years ago - 5 to 9iron were all going about 110 meters no matter what i done. Long par 4's and all par 5's were a nightmare. After 3 lessons my pro got it sorted.

    It's good to know that I'm not alone in having had this problem. Do you remember what your pro identified as the cause or got you to change as I would like to find a starting point?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,866 ✭✭✭Panrich


    alxmorgan wrote: »
    One thing that may help (insert health warning about not seeing swing, see your pro etc etc) is to shorten your backswing.

    This should help you get on to your left side easier as you won't be going so much to your right. Short and snappy can be better than a long loose swing for certain people where all the power is gone by the time they get back to the ball.

    Start by playing with a really short swing and see how it works. You can really come through the ball hard if you want to.

    That's very interesting as I have found that I can hit the ball almost as far with a gentle half swing as a full speed thrash at the ball.


  • Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 7,268 Mod ✭✭✭✭charlieIRL


    As far as i remember i was swinging with my arms and not my body. My grip, posture and back swing were fine but when i got to the top of my back swing i was leading with my arms and not my body. He gave me a few drills to get my hips & torso moving first and then arms to follow after.
    Also I had to keep my upper arms close to my torso so he gave me a spare glove to keep between my bicep and chest andnot let it fall during a full swing.
    One thing he kept getting on to me about was trying to smash the ball all the time which never works, when i slowed down i was hitting it much crisper and further. I went from 100m to 150m with an 8iron (can't get the same distance on a course to save my life!!)

    I'd go for a lesson or two with another pro just to see - its all great getting advice from us here but everyone is different and the pro should identify your weakness after watching you hit a few balls on the range


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,866 ✭✭✭Panrich


    Update::

    Nearly there. I am delighted with progress over the past week. I went to the range on Saturday and found a key to hitting my irons better. It's not pretty as it involves placing the ball forward in my stance and leaning the club backwards to create a more lofted address position. I don't know what it does but it means that I can hit irons much crisper and with more distance. Last night I hit a 5-iron 157 yards even with a very lofted flight.

    I have done three rounds since this revelation.

    Saturday 113 - Three shots ouside my 'record' 110 but a (for me) decent round spoiled by 12 on a par three (4 lost balls) and an 11 on a long par 4. Hit quite a few nice iron shots but driving was terrible and started with 3 3putts in the first 4 holes but recovered to score 36 putts total.

    Sunday 113 - Same score and similar story. This time a 13 on a par 5 and 9 holes played at triple bogey or worse but 3 pars also.

    Tuesday 101 - Went to the range prior to the round and this helped big time. Driving deteriorated as the round went on and still can't reach most greens in regulation but scored well and still left plenty of shots out there. For instance, I counted 1 total miss and 3 more shots that went less than 10 yards. I also had a 4 putt on the easiest hole on the course and took 19 shots on the 2 par 5s.

    I now believe that I will break 100 soon if things keep going this way.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,512 ✭✭✭✭PARlance


    Panrich wrote: »
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    Tuesday 101 - Went to the range prior to the round and this helped big time. Driving deteriorated as the round went on and still can't reach most greens in regulation but scored well and still left plenty of shots out there. For instance, I counted 1 total miss and 3 more shots that went less than 10 yards. I also had a 4 putt on the easiest hole on the course and took 19 shots on the 2 par 5s.

    I now believe that I will break 100 soon if things keep going this way.

    Congrats Panrich,
    You'll do it.

    Re the highlighted bit, don't worry about that, you will be able to break 100 without hitting a GIR.
    In fact, sometimes its best not to be able to reach it.... next time your out, count the amount of bunkers in front of the green within a short landing zone as oppossed to bunkers that are green high... You'll find a lot more trouble green high. For a sub 100 round, getting close to the green in reg is plenty so don't get too hung up on it.

    Well done again.


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