Carl Frampton leaves Matchroom

el flaco

...And has joined up with Frank Warren.

Apparently Barry McGuigan wanted to be involved in the promotion and Matchroom weren't agreeable to it.
I hope he hasn't made a bad decision there, considering Warrens recent record with getting fights set up.

Dick phelan

Any sources confirming this, bad call in my view Matchroom is where its at Warren has failed with getting fights done of late, Sky would be a better platform for getting his name out, Also i guess we can say bye bye to a Frampton Quigg fight seen as Quigg is with Hatton i seriously dought Hatton will work with Frank Warren

el flaco

Yeah, sorry: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/boxing/article-2333353/Carl-Frampton-signs-Frank-Warren-Eddie-Hearn.html

Yeah I agree about Sky being the better platform. They're talking about being excited at becoming a priority on Boxnation which is all well and good, but it has the look of a 'big fish, small pond' situation. Even if he isn't the main man on Sky a lot more people would see him. They've turned Froch into a bloody superstar in the last year. I hope this doesn't hurt his career.

hawkeyethenoo

frampton is 26! i thought he was much yonuger.

MickFleetwood

Terrible move.

ThunderCat

He is in too strong a division to leave an impression on the fairweather fight fan too I feel. I mean he will lose every time against Rigondeaux, Donaire and Mares (although he has now moved up to Feather). No other names are going to generate any excitment in anyone other than the hardcore fight fans.

Henno30

ThunderCat wrote: »

He is in too strong a division to leave an impression on the fairweather fight fan too I feel. I mean he will lose every time against Rigondeaux, Donaire and Mares (although he has now moved up to Feather). No other names are going to generate any excitment in anyone other than the hardcore fight fans.

Rigondeaux would embarrass him, as he would almost anyone who faces him.

Leo Santa Cruz has a name at 122 but he's dynamite, could be a bit much for Frampton. Anselmo Moreno fought Mares at 122 but he'd be a lot of risk as well. Maybe that Romero guy, the Colombian who's got the IBF title could be a target. He'd want a payday to get him over but that's probably Frampton's best hope of getting a belt.

Dick phelan

Henno30 wrote: »

Rigondeaux would embarrass him, as he would almost anyone who faces him.

Leo Santa Cruz has a name at 122 but he's dynamite, could be a bit much for Frampton. Anselmo Moreno fought Mares at 122 but he'd be a lot of risk as well. Maybe that Romero guy, the Colombian who's got the IBF title could be a target. He'd want a payday to get him over but that's probably Frampton's best hope of getting a belt.

Yep the division really is packed with quality if frampton did win the IBF witch is not beyond him, he can then have a big money fight against one of the big guys, rigo is the only fighter i would say he has 0 chance of beating not saying i'd give him much of a chance but not impossible he beats Moreno or Santa Cruz

Annihilator

Two interviews UTV http://www.u.tv/Sport/Frampton-targets-world-title-after-move/b0ec4497-0890-4d4d-b4d6-ae1f011a006c and BBC http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/boxing/22728115 team Frampton speaking about reasons why they split. Many of the fighters Warren lost wouldn't bother me he didn't renew Brook who he offered two world title shots Brooks father refused. Bellew overrated sour grapes lost to Cleverly had only the British title fight left with Warren. Degale though his arrogance looks like he will continue the record of GB gold medalists not winning a world title. Groves moved for the possibility of the Froch fight same promoter making it easier. Burns might be caught for breach of contract did Warren really fail him Cleverly is showing some loyalty. Now Mitchell knocked out in his two biggest fights has moved Warren isn't bothered as his son's Queensbury promtotions is the one that Mitchell left with five fights left on his contract. Warren is no longer his manager and mentioned he delivered for Kevin two world title shots. I like Burns so I hope he unifies the division. Only possible if Broner doesn't return to 135 I cant see him beating him. One of Carl's fights vs Molitor was put up against the Burns vs Mitchell on Boxnation so the British audience was more interested in the big domestic fight. That would of annoyed team Frampton as his audience shrunk to just Irish viewers. The Burn's fight was the one dominating print, tv and online interest.

I see all the young Irish prospects throughout Ireland fighting on these bills. Here McGuigan talks about Matchrooms young English prospects on Carl's bills no Irish prospects http://www.irish-boxing.com/2013/06/mcguiganirish-fighters-will-benefit-from-framptons-boxnation-move/ . If Hearn loved Belfast and Irish boxing why not offer top amateurs contracts like the GB lads hes not interested which annoyed Barry. The depth of talent in certain amateur divisions in Ieland for our population is incredible. Have success as an amateur then go pro like the GB lads and clear the way for the next generation. Matchroom pay expenses for Youtube channels for press conferences yet RTE and TV3 aren't approached to bring a crew to Belfast even a 30 second clip on six one news would boost his Irish profile. Sky even though its broadcasted in Ireland they now only have McCloskey who will retire if he loses his next fight no Irish prospects. I miss the Dunne nights on RTE I really hoped Matchroom would of signed one Irish prospect. Hatton has Ryan Burnett Youth world championship silver medalist and Youth Olympics gold medalist. Hatton has already approached McGuigan about Burnett and another Irish fighter Sonny Upton about fighting in Belfast after being snubbed by Matchroom.

Remember 15% of Sky Sports coverage comes from Matchroom through various sports so Sky need to hold down rights with Darts Snooker etc with ESPN losing Premier League looking for other sports and now competition from BT Sport. Thats why they picked Matchroom as their promoters prior to the deal Matchroom events weren't far superior compared to rival promoters. Also head GB amateur trainer Froch's trainer Robert Mccracken is close to Hearn. So Hearn has the ability to visit Froch's training camps in the GB Amateur boxing headquarters and scout boxers.

My conclusion Frampton's move will benefit Irish boxing lets hope Epix ESPN HBO or Showtime show one of his fights. If Boxnation secure the Mayweather vs Canelo fight in September Frampton will have a much bigger audience for his September date in Belfast. Sick of seeing no Irish Interest from Matchroom and Sky best of luck Barry.

el flaco

Annihilator wrote: »

Many of the fighters Warren lost wouldn't bother me

The fighters he lost may not be superstars but I'd imagine he must have been a bit perturbed. Fair enough if he had a stable of top-class boxers or big ticket sellers to fall back on, but the list of boxers on Warrens books isn't exactly stellar. Dereck Chisora is probably his most recognisable fighter now and will be headlining one of his next cards (on which Frampton will play support), which to many casual boxing fans will be something that will be treated with indifference at best.

I really hoped Matchroom would of signed one Irish prospect

Yeah it's a pity that there aren't more Irish boxers involved with Matchroom, but correct me if I'm wrong, Frank Warren was currently only involved with one Irish boxer until the other day too. Sky broadcast to a predominantly British market and as much as I'd like to have seen a Frampton Belfast card with lots of Irish fighters, I wonder how the viewers in Britain would have felt about such a card? Hardcore boxing fans would have watched it I imagine, but the casual fans probably wouldn't have been too enamored.
Our own national TV stations are the best way to showcase whatever talent there is in the country. I too loved the Bernard Dunne fight nights, but would such fights have drawn big crowds on British TV? The simple fact is that the likes of RTE just aren't spending money on such things any more.
To be a big draw in foreign markets you really have to be something special.

I'm totally in agreement with you about wanting to see more Irish boxers on TV and I hope the Frampton deal helps that, but it will still only be for a niche audience.

Frank Gallagher pissed

To be honest from what I see this is a disaster waiting to happen for Irish boxing. McGuigan seems just out for money trying to be Framptons promoter, manager and his son training him. Frampton is very talented but they could throw it all away.

All their sniping on twitter towards the Hearns is pathetic. I'm no Matchroom fan but this just ridiculous from McGuigan and co, and lets not forget this is the same Barry McGuigan that helped disgrace the sport not long ago with the Freddie Flintoff nonsense, in a bout that was clearly fixed.

Pro boxing in Ireland is a joke right now.

barney4001

Frank Gallagher pissed wrote: »

To be honest from what I see this is a disaster waiting to happen for Irish boxing. McGuigan seems just out for money trying to be Framptons promoter, manager and his son training him. Frampton is very talented but they could throw it all away.

All their sniping on twitter towards the Hearns is pathetic. I'm no Matchroom fan but this just ridiculous from McGuigan and co, and lets not forget this is the same Barry McGuigan that helped disgrace the sport not long ago with the Freddie Flintoff nonsense, in a bout that was clearly fixed.

Pro boxing in Ireland is a joke right now.

You hit the nail on the head there Frank

Dick phelan

Opponent announced today some guy Fabian Oscar Orozoco a walkover for Carl thought he said he wanted a guy on the Kiko level or similar well this guy has lost 2 and one of those was to a bum with a 26- 32 record ! the guy hasnt even a punchers chance he only has 7 Ko's in his 20 wins what a stupid fight keep busy i know but how does it in any way help him get a world title shot i mean the guy should be at least decent not a total bum

Big Ears

Dick phelan wrote: »

Opponent announced today some guy Fabian Oscar Orozoco a walkover for Carl thought he said he wanted a guy on the Kiko level or similar well this guy has lost 2 and one of those was to a bum with a 26- 32 record ! the guy hasnt even a punchers chance he only has 7 Ko's in his 20 wins what a stupid fight keep busy i know but how does it in any way help him get a world title shot i mean the guy should be at least decent not a total bum

Ya not an amazing opponent, but as long is it is only a stay busy fight and he's out soon again it's not too bad.
Orozco is #12 with the IBF (Frampton is #3 and the #2 spot is empty), and is he still has his scheduled fight the month before Frampton (where he defends the IBF latino title) he may move even further up the rankings.

If this somehow got made an eliminator or ensured Carl gets an eliminator then it's an okay fight as long as he does actually keep busy. if he just has this fight and isn't out again till November/December then that's a problem and a waste of time in Carl's career.