Motor tax fine

BiffoGooner

Just a quick question.

Say a chap was stopped for no tax, and the nice Garda didn't take his car but gave a fine which was to arrive within' 10 days. Now say those 10 days have passed and no fine has arrived, but the Garda also asked that this chap produce his license at the local station within 10 days also.

Is producing a license at the station common procedure when caught without tax, and is it a seperate thing from paying the fine at the station?

In other words, since no fine came, should you still go and produce your license?

galwaytt

If your 'chap' was only asked to produce your licence, just produce the licence.

If the car is now taxed, no harm in producing that too, though.

Naturally I'm assuming your 'chap' through sheer remorse ran out and taxed the vehicle immediately after AGS stopped him.......

TestTransmission

BiffoGooner wrote: »

I.e. since no fine came, should you still go and produce your license?

Yes.

corktina

i don't know where you get the "fine to arrive within 10 days" bit

i think they have several months to do this.

I reckon if you don't produce your licence within 10 days, you'll get another fine....



sorry i mean "your chap" of course

clintondaly

Are perhaps you "this chap"

It may take longer than the 10 days for a fine to arrive.
i had a similiar situation a few years back,but not related to Tax,i failed to produce licence within the 10 days and got summonsed,as i was abroad working when the summonsed arrived i was informed by a family member that it had arrived,i rang the Garda station and told them i was abroad,they told me i was technically on the run.

Im writing this high up in a tree in Venezuala.i still havent gone back

BiffoGooner

galwaytt wrote: »

If your 'chap' was only asked to produce your licence, just produce the licence.

If the car is now taxed, no harm in producing that too, though.

Naturally I'm assuming your 'chap' through sheer remorse ran out and taxed the vehicle immediately after AGS stopped him.......

Well, said car is off the road till the chap can afford to pay it, that's for sure!

K.Flyer

Most likely the fine has not been issued yet as the Garda is waiting to see if you produce your documents as well.
Did you have your full insurance cert with you when you were stopped?
Its normal for them to ask you to produce both your licence and insurance at the station.
But the answer to the question, Yes produce your documents as requested or you will have more problems to deal with.

BiffoGooner

clintondaly wrote: »

Are perhaps you "this chap"

It may take longer than the 10 days for a fine to arrive.
i had a similiar situation a few years back,but not related to Tax,i failed to produce licence within the 10 days and got summonsed,as i was abroad working when the summonsed arrived i was informed by a family member that it had arrived,i rang the Garda station and told them i was abroad,they told me i was technically on the run.

Im writing this high up in a tree in Venezuala.i still havent gone back

Well I suppose producing it would be preferential to being summonsed or going on the run. For the chap I mean.

BiffoGooner

corktina wrote: »

i don't know where you get the "fine to arrive within 10 days" bit

i think they have several months to do this.

I reckon if you don't produce your licence within 10 days, you'll get another fine....



sorry i mean "your chap" of course

Well, it was the Garda himself who said the fine would be along within' 10 days. Maybe he got himself confused with the producing of the license within' ten days.

Mr.Fred

I see a thread in your near future OP if you don't produce your licence.

"I've been summonsed to court what next??"

mitosis

BiffoGooner wrote: »

Well, said car is off the road till the chap can afford to pay it, that's for sure!

How did the car get stopped if off the road?

BiffoGooner

mitosis wrote: »

How did the car get stopped if off the road?

It's off the road since it's been stopped.

corktina

you'll have to pay all the back tax plus the next three months,plus the fine. Might be off the road for a while, you may as well pay now if you can manage it as each month it's off the road is another months back tax to find.

BiffoGooner

corktina wrote: »

you'll have to pay all the back tax plus the next three months,plus the fine. Might be off the road for a while, you may as well pay now if you can manage it as each month it's off the road is another months back tax to find.

That's right, gonna be a nice few quid but sure it has to be done.

clintondaly

I have room in my tree

Justin10

Just on the back tax, I know a fella who told me when he got fined, his father gave him a lend of money to go tax the car. He went to his local station with the tax form the signed it and he then went on out to the tax office and didnt have to pay the back tax.

Can this still be done, sounds stupid if it was the case, could just wait till your caught.

BiffoGooner

Rochey18 wrote: »

Just on the back tax, I know a fella who told me when he got fined, his father gave him a lend of money to go tax the car. He went to his local station with the tax form the signed it and he then went on out to the tax office and didnt have to pay the back tax.

Can this still be done, sounds stupid if it was the case, could just wait till your caught.

I think they're bringing in, or maybe have brought in a law to change that. They want it so you have to declare if you're car is going to be off the road at the start of the period it's off the road, so you can't just have the time signed away when you're ready to get it taxed again.


Maybe someone here would know if you can still get it signed off.

Marlow

BiffoGooner wrote: »

Well, it was the Garda himself who said the fine would be along within' 10 days. Maybe he got himself confused with the producing of the license within' ten days.

The Garda has up to 6 months to issue the fine. If the documents however are not produced within 10 days however, he might not bother and drag the chap to court for a whole pile more things instead, as he obviously didn't have his drivers license on him, when stopped. That would be including driving without license etc. Easy as that.

/M

BiffoGooner

Marlow wrote: »

The Garda has up to 6 months to issue the fine. If the documents however are not produced within 10 days however, he might not bother and drag the chap to court for a whole pile more things instead, as he obviously didn't have his drivers license on him, when stopped. That would be including driving without license etc. Easy as that.

/M

That's the thing, the chap did indeed have the license on him when stopped and the Garda had a good look at it. But I advised the chap to display at the station anyway and he did so earlier on.

corktina

i suspect that the Gard meant him to produce his insurance cert/NCT cert if he already saw his license

dilallio

Rochey18 wrote: »

Just on the back tax, I know a fella who told me when he got fined, his father gave him a lend of money to go tax the car. He went to his local station with the tax form the signed it and he then went on out to the tax office and didnt have to pay the back tax.

Can this still be done, sounds stupid if it was the case, could just wait till your caught.

It's illegal - you could be done for making a false declaration.
Galway Fine-Gael senator, Fidelma Healy Eames was summonsed for this in addition to no car tax.
She was quite lucky - the court withdrew the charge of false declaration, which was the most serious charge.

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Marlow

BiffoGooner wrote: »

That's the thing, the chap did indeed have the license on him when stopped and the Garda had a good look at it. But I advised the chap to display at the station anyway and he did so earlier on.

As you're just relaying somebody elses incident, that somebody probably got a few things wrong. Like the 10 days before the fine arrives.

The important things are:

- the garda has 6 months to issue the fine
- if the garda requested to present certain documents at the garda station within 10 days, then a court summons will be issued, if this doesn't happen. Disregardless if the fine was send, received or paid.
- taking the car of the road after being stopped does not solve the out of tax issue. If the tax is not paid, and even if the fine arrives and is paid, the garda can still summon the chap to court for non-payment of tax, when he checks back on his records.

Anything else is not of importance.

/M

BiffoGooner

Marlow wrote: »

As you're just relaying somebody elses incident, that somebody probably got a few things wrong. Like the 10 days before the fine arrives.

The important things are:

- the garda has 6 months to issue the fine
- if the garda requested to present certain documents at the garda station within 10 days, then a court summons will be issued, if this doesn't happen. Disregardless if the fine was send, received or paid.
- taking the car of the road after being stopped does not solve the out of tax issue. If the tax is not paid, and even if the fine arrives and is paid, the garda can still summon the chap to court for non-payment of tax, when he checks back on his records.

Anything else is not of importance.

/M

That's fairly clear and concise, cheers.

Fred Swanson

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Marlow

Fred Swanson wrote: »

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What has the payment date to do with the issue date ? Once the offence is recorded in the system within 6 months is sufficient, from what I've been told.

Doesn't matter in the ops case anyhow. The issue does not disappear after 10 days or any time soon, full stop.

/M

Fred Swanson

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Marlow

Fred Swanson wrote: »

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Fair enuff. Still. 4 months is substantially more time for it to go wrong than 10 days

/M

Honey-ec

Rochey18 wrote: »

Just on the back tax, I know a fella who told me when he got fined, his father gave him a lend of money to go tax the car. He went to his local station with the tax form the signed it and he then went on out to the tax office and didnt have to pay the back tax.

Can this still be done, sounds stupid if it was the case, could just wait till your caught.

BiffoGooner wrote: »

I think they're bringing in, or maybe have brought in a law to change that. They want it so you have to declare if you're car is going to be off the road at the start of the period it's off the road, so you can't just have the time signed away when you're ready to get it taxed again.


Maybe someone here would know if you can still get it signed off.

They haven't changed it yet, the current system of declaring your car off the road retrospectively still stands.

However, if "the chap" in question goes to declare his car off the road, and the desk sergeant runs the reg and sees he was stopped for having no tax during the period in question, he'll be told to kindly go and have sexual relations with himself.

instructorBFL

Beware!!! There are two licenses in question here.

When the old car tax was abolished way back (1978), what was put in place instead was a IR£5 Motor Vehicle License, which is now €750 or more for big engine cars.
So if charged you will be in court for "not displaying a valid Motor Vehicle License" or "not having a valid Motor Vehicle License, while on a public road".

What is written on the disk is “CEADUNAS D’FHEITHICIL INNEALGHLUAISTE”.

All the web sites still call it Car Tax or Road Tax but those do not exist legally.

Of course there is also the need for a valid Driving License which a driver is now required to carry with him/her.
The two licenses can easily be mixed up on a summons.