cycling licence

cyclingnew

HI ,

just taught i would gather some views on this.
i have apart this year raced open races quite few a3 and a4 .
some with club some not.
this year due to work and other things i will not race as much.
normally you would have option to buy one day licence but this year from i think end march this done away with. so in this day age with money ect hard come by for some people.
if i race even just 2 races this year. this would cost be 155 euro as not with club and the race entry fee !!!

i remember years ago when i just started racing i went up on day and paid my one day fee and raced ( no probelms) but now if someone wants or is thinking or trying a race they would have to apply for licence and pay race fee. its seems from my point view very back again stance that cycling ireland have introduced here.

i taught we would be trying to encourage people to sport not keep them away ?

lennymc

just my tuppence - some of the riding from some of the one day licencers in some races was appalling. I would rather people have a good think about racing and buy a full licence for a year, rather than turn up, pay a tenner and potentially take out half of the bunch.

Just my tuppence. I know not all one day licence riders were causing crashes, but some of them definately did, and rode unpredictably. I know current full licence riders still do this, but it seems a bit better now imho.

Slo_Rida

lennymc wrote: »

just my tuppence - some of the riding from some of the one day licencers in some races was appalling. I would rather people have a good think about racing and buy a full licence for a year, rather than turn up, pay a tenner and potentially take out half of the bunch.

Just my tuppence. I know not all one day licence riders were causing crashes, but some of them definately did, and rode unpredictably. I know current full licence riders still do this, but it seems a bit better now imho.

+1

RobFowl

Just ask Pat McQuaid, he has 2 so will surely give you his spare one...

cyclingnew

So if ya think about racing and pay full amount license you will be better rider?loads us got ones days and we rode no crashs .were we just amazing on bike .no we were not .it might best reading points i made also instead simply stating your viewpoint which seems to treats riders as if useless before they start.

buffalo

cyclingnew wrote: »

i taught we would be trying to encourage people to sport not keep them away ?

You can try the racing at the start of the season, and then decide based on that if you want to invest.

cyclingnew

buffalo wrote: »

You can try the racing at the start of the season, and then decide based on that if you want to invest.

Yes i know.and i have before .read the Post .

bcmf

cyclingnew wrote: »

So if ya think about racing and pay full amount license you will be better rider?
Loads us got one day and we rode,no crashes! Were we just amazing on bike?
No. We were not.
It might best reading points I made also instead simply stating your viewpoint which seems to treats riders as if useless before they start.

Better.

cyclingnew

I think even if these point of craxy newbie racers are valid.if i hard full license last few or holder before i should then have optipn to get one days if needed and would save me money if races that year were only 2 to 5races.is this too much ask.

bcmf

@cycling new.
In all fairness you are 2 to 3 months late in voicing your opinion.
While your opinion is valid ,and for the record I happen to agree with you, the thing to do is to
join Cycling Ireland and when their AGM comes up make your opinion there.

Idleater

bcmf wrote: »

join Cycling Ireland and when their AGM comes up make your opinion there.

Bring it up at the egm under aob. It'll make a pleasant conversation after the main topic.

RobFowl

Idleater wrote: »

Bring it up at the egm under aob. It'll make a pleasant conversation after the main topic.

There'll be no-one left alive with all the stabbing in the back going on (or so I've been told!)

lennymc

cyclingnew wrote: »

HI ,
just taught i would gather some views on this.

cyclingnew wrote:

it might best reading points i made also instead simply stating your viewpoint

You asked for some views.....

cyclingnew

lennymc wrote: »

You asked for some views.....

I know lennymc ..i know u have been so helpfull.simple and childish but helpfull i guess in your own way.now jump on u rothar and pedal son as thinking and writing are not your thing.

Ps. Thanks for feedback.

morana

cyclingnew wrote: »

I know lennymc ..i know u have been so helpfull.simple and childish but helpfull i guess in your own way.now jump on u rothar and pedal son as thinking and writing are not your thing.

Ps. Thanks for feedback.

I would say next year 1day licences will be gone completely and you will have to pre enter races. So you will need to be sure if you want to race open or just club.

cyclingnew

morana wrote: »

I would say next year 1day licences will be gone completely and you will have to pre enter races. So you will need to be sure if you want to race open or just club.

Thanks for feedback.guess its way it going.pity for sport i think in some ways. As been said ill try submit feedback to cycling ireland in proper way.

lennymc

cyclingnew wrote: »

I know lennymc ..i know u have been so helpfull.simple and childish but helpfull i guess in your own way.now jump on u rothar and pedal son as thinking and writing are not your thing.

Ps. Thanks for feedback.

i really dont understand where i was childish. I gave my view on 1dl (that you asked for), then you said I should read your point rather than giving my views.

Also, ust because our views differ, I don't think your response was particularly fair. Surely people posting in a thread are entitled to expect a response without someone resorting to petty insults.

I never said that 1dl riders were crazy, or that holding a full senior licence was any reflection on the riders ability. I was making the point that (in my opinion) as a racer, some riders on 1dl in the races I've competed in had difficulties riding in large groups at speed, and have crashed, taking other riders out. I also made the point that crashes still happen with full licence holders, however, (again, this is just my opinion) the bunch seems to have settled down. There does not seem to be as much erratic riding in the bunch.

Good luck with submitting your feedback to CI, (I actually mean that, all feedback is good).

cyclingnew

Ok maybe i took u up wrong sorry if so.there are things we disagree on we agree on that.i just stongly feel the harder cycling ireland makes it for new people coming sport the less they try be involved.

Id like it as easy as it is for guy walk on and play a field sport .

LeftBlank

cyclingnew wrote: »

Id like it as easy as it is for guy walk on and play a field sport .

Well it's not going to be like that with cycling. Bikes are expensive conpared to a pair of football boots. Maintaining bikes costs money too.

cyclingnew

LeftBlank wrote: »

Well it's not going to be like that with cycling. Bikes are expensive conpared to a pair of football boots. Maintaining bikes costs money too.

I taught it was clear that i didnt mean it was same cost ect.and we all aware costs much money no need tell me this.i meant when u have gear ect the process of getting licence ect should be easy,hence what this whole topic is about!

killalanerr

What purpose would bringing back one days serve? judging by the size of the fields i have been racing all season CI have got it spot on,their are lots of opportunities in club leagues to try out racing to move on your cycling career from that stage you need to get a full lic is this not the natural order,to ride open racing you need a an open lic simples

Plastik

I am fully behind the new rules. If you want to race, buy your licence.

cyclingnew

Simply stating u agree with way it is and yet not addressing issue i stated on it being harder newbies to race.how is this productive when u dont even comments on point i made.or point i
made about having a licence before or how much more cost.the last two post simply said i agree while it is dismissed by comments complety and they got thanks? For your info lads ive feedback in cycling ireland that agree some point i made.

PeadarCo

cyclingnew wrote: »

Simply stating u agree with way it is and yet not addressing issue i stated on it being harder newbies to race.how is this productive when u dont even comments on point i made.or point i
made about having a licence before or how much more cost.the last two post simply said i agree while it is dismissed by comments complety and they got thanks? For your info lads ive feedback in cycling ireland that agree some point i made.

Not having one day licences for open races does make it harder for them to start off in open races but most people here think that is a good thing. Personally I would advise people to try club racing first rather than open races. Smaller bunches and more different levels of ability to let people find their feet. And to be fair one day licences were there for first 2 months of the season which gave people a chance to try it out. I would also feel that during this period clubs should also be allowed run their own leagues for A4's and club competition licence holders to act as stepping stone.

I don't think the comparison with field sport is fair as cycling is far more dangerous if done wrong. Also to take GAA for example I can't imagine anyone joining without any experience starting and being put out on the first team unless the club is very small.

In the longterm its better for competitive cycling as safer racing benefits everyone. Also ideally it should encourage more club leagues which will raise the standard potentially mean more races due to larger fields.

cyclingnew

PeadarCo wrote: »

Not having one day licences for open races does make it harder for them to start off in open races but most people here think that is a good thing. Personally I would advise people to try club racing first rather than open races. Smaller bunches and more different levels of ability to let people find their feet. And to be fair one day licences were there for first 2 months of the season which gave people a chance to try it out. I would also feel that during this period clubs should also be allowed run their own leagues for A4's and club competition licence holders to act as stepping stone.

Thr
I don't think the comparison with field sport is fair as cycling is far more dangerous if done wrong. Also to take GAA for example I can't imagine anyone joining without any experience starting and being put out on the first team unless the club is very small.

In the longterm its better for competitive cycling as safer racing benefits everyone. Also ideally it should encourage more club leagues which will raise the standard potentially mean more races due to larger fields.

The issue regarding one day licenses i feel it might not be in first 2months you want take part and then there problem.i think also lot other points you made are vaild. Heres hope (our)this sport continues to attract people to it.and then we finally know full affects these rule changes have made.

Idleater

cyclingnew wrote: »

The issue regarding one day licenses i feel it might not be in first 2months you want take part and then there problem.i think also lot other points you made are vaild. Heres hope (our)this sport continues to attract people to it.and then we finally know full affects these rule changes have made.

What's stopping you from getting a full licence after 2 months?

Plastik

cyclingnew wrote: »

Simply stating u agree with way it is and yet not addressing issue i stated on it being harder newbies to race.how is this productive when u dont even comments on point i made.or point i
made about having a licence before or how much more cost.the last two post simply said i agree while it is dismissed by comments complety and they got thanks? For your info lads ive feedback in cycling ireland that agree some point i made.

What exactly is your point? Your posts are extremely difficult to decipher.

Is your complaint that it just doesn't suit your pocket to have to pay for a full licence at the beginning of the year? Because that's what it sounds like, and if that's the case then what other fleshing out of my opinion do you want? I fully agree with the new system, you don't, that's it.

Or is your complaint that we're now making it harder to get new people racing? Again I am fully in favour of the new situation. There are ample opportunities for folks to try their hand at racing in club leagues, which are generally safer, before deciding whether or not they want to try an open race.

The numbers of people turning up for races this year has again been massive. So large in fact that it is bordering on dangerous at times. There is no problem in attracting new racers. For some races there are too many turning up - as evidenced by the new CI rules which will mean that separate A4 races will now have to be run once a certain number of competitors is reached. In addition, as per Morana's post, races could be going pre-entry only. Do you think this is because there is a difficulty in attracting new racers or because there are now so many that some venues are having trouble coping?

Giving every rider a number, their own specific number, also introduces a small amount of accountability for poor riding in the bunch. You'll soon be picked out at the various races by both racers and commissionaires. Much better than someone constantly turning up with a new number at each race.

cyclingnew

Plastik wrote: »

What exactly is your point? Your posts are extremely

difficult to decipher.

Is your complaint that it just doesn't suit your pocket to have to pay for a full licence at the beginning of the year? Because that's what it sounds like, and if that's the case then what other fleshing out of my opinion do you want? I fully agree with the new system, you don't, that's it.

Or is your complaint that we're now making it harder to get new people racing? Again I am fully in favour of the new situation. There are ample opportunities for folks to try their hand at racing in club leagues, which are generally safer, before deciding whether or not they want to try an open race.

The numbers of people turning up for races this year has again been massive. So large in fact that it is bordering on dangerous at times. There is no problem in attracting new racers. For some races there are too many turning up - as evidenced by the new CI rules which will mean that separate A4 races will now have to be run once a certain number of competitors is reached. In addition, as per Morana's post, races could be going pre-entry only. Do you think this is because there is a difficulty in attracting new racers or because there are now so many that some venues are having trouble coping?

Giving every rider a number, their own specific number, also introduces a small amount of accountability for poor riding in the bunch. You'll soon be picked out at the various races by both racers and commissionaires. Much better than someone constantly turning up with a new number at each race.

Other have read and understood.not a complaint but a point of view.not for first time you reply without reading posts proper.i think my points view have been made cleary .if you read my posts above you find all answers to your (questions)above.you have not commented on any point i have made but ask your own. Ps. I did not ask you comment on this thread you made that chice and yet your post yesterday simply said i agree with way things are?and then today post this.!!i dont think you read proper point i trying to make or care. Think your more on here for little bit your wrong iam right .

Plastik

Your opening post talks about not liking the current situation, the cost of the current situation for people hard pressed for cash, but lastly, and the only question you ask is in relation to attracting new people to the sport. My previous post addresses this completely.

I'm starting to think that you don't even know what point your making. Read my post again. And your own while you're at it.

PeadarCo

cyclingnew wrote: »

The issue regarding one day licenses i feel it might not be in first 2months you want take part and then there problem.i think also lot other points you made are vaild. Heres hope (our)this sport continues to attract people to it.and then we finally know full affects these rule changes have made.

The only way around your issue is give people say 1/2 etc one day race licences before they have to get a full one but I wouldn't want to be the person in charge of administering and monitoring that system on a national basis. The current system is simpler and hasn't had any adverse on numbers on the basis of what I've seen this year.

If your serious about racing on the basis of club leagues I don't see the issue getting the full one after 2 months. The only people for whom this system poses problems is to people who don't have access to club leagues during midweek. However hopefully that should encourage more leagues from clubs even if a number have to come together to start one.

And being honest the place to try out racing is at club level not open races and you still need a club competition licence to do that.

cyclingnew

Plastik wrote: »

Your opening post talks about not liking the current situation, the cost of the current situation for people hard pressed for cash, but lastly, and the only question you ask is in relation to attracting new people to the sport. My previous post addresses this completely.

I'm starting to think that you don't even know what point your making. Read my post again. And your own while you're at it.

I disagree .fully.i rather read other posts on here than yours.

cyclingnew

PeadarCo wrote: »

The only way around your issue is give people say 1/2 etc one day race licences before they have to get a full one but I wouldn't want to be the person in charge of administering and monitoring that system on a national basis. The current system is simpler and hasn't had any adverse on numbers on the basis of what I've seen this year.

If your serious about racing on the basis of club leagues I don't see the issue getting the full one after 2 months. The only people for whom this system poses problems is to people who don't have access to club leagues during midweek. However hopefully that should encourage more leagues from clubs even if a number have to come together to start one.

And being honest the place to try out racing is at club level not open races and you still need a club competition licence to do that.

I think a main point being missed here.from number posts.i keep it simply if i have not raced all i can get full license right now and race.some post on here seem to think this not case. And in relation to pre entry as far i know this also mean.no club
Get full licence.have not raced before ,pre enter and race.how thid any safer or have i picked up this wrong?

Redmond101

cyclingnew wrote: »

I think a main point being missed here.from number posts.i keep it simply if i have not raced all i can get full license right now and race.some post on here seem to think this not case. And in relation to pre entry as far i know this also mean.no club
Get full licence.have not raced before ,pre enter and race.how thid any safer or have i picked up this wrong?

maybe you should get directly in touch with CI because nobody seems to be able to provide the answer you want

cyclingnew

Redmond101 wrote: »

maybe you should get directly in touch with CI because nobody seems to be able to read.

Just changed that there Remond101.

Captain Havoc

cyclingnew wrote: »

Redmond101 wrote: »

maybe you should get directly in touch with CI because nobody seems to be able to read.

Just changed that there Remond101.

We can read and we also know how to use the quote function properly. If you don't like the answers from posters trying to help you, please don't look for help in the first place.

cyclingnew

Captain Havoc wrote: »

We can read and we also know how to use the quote function properly. If you don't like the answers from posters trying to help you, please don't look for help in the first place.

Oh please cop on.i done it as iam sure if u read some answer here they did not address any my points .simply as agreed with each otherv.little thanks to each fellow boardies also i said.why have comments board when people just qoute there side and do not even answer many valid questions i asked.popular opion always get nod on this even if dont even addres questions asked.any or curse the sarcasim ect in last comment about contacting cycling ireland ect says it all.it was noted earlyer that i would be doing this cleary stated.but i reply to it of course and get mod warning.ohh nasty. Ive seen same thing happen on this site before.and you may have little group support on here for how you regulate boards topics here but let me tell me most people know and laugh at how anti newies even to this site are,and they dont bothet post anymore.and i see why.so feel fee ban me for outspoken views all u like.but and this important part when sacastic reply come in from regular posters make u you aware this and moderate this boards thread in fair way or if not whats the point of it at all.

Chips Lovell

Infracted for ignoring mod warning

cyclingnew

Vladimir Kurtains wrote: »

Infracted for ignoring mod warning

Yeah thanks says it all.oh the power of shuting someone up.sad me thinks

Chips Lovell

Banned