Buying in the mart and straight to the factory?

WellKiiid??

Would there many fat cattle or cattle fit to kill going through the mart? I was thinking of buying and sending them straight to the factory from the mart!! This is what agents do isnt it? I know you would have to get them at the right price and all but would it be worth a try??

Bizzum

WellKiiid?? wrote: »

Would there many fat cattle or cattle fit to kill going through the mart? I was thinking of buying and sending them straight to the factory from the mart!! This is what agents do isnt it? I know you would have to get them at the right price and all but would it be worth a try??

The last thing I would like to do I'd to inhibit your entrepreneurial flair.
However. If you can't fully answer the questions you just asked, I'd be worried that you're on a hiding to nothing.

bob charles

its a sure way to success

moy83

Handy enough money in it I'd say , and the factory would look after you well for the haulage too . Out bid the rest of the sharks around the ring and that will quiten them :P

WellKiiid??

I take your point Bizzum but i have to do something!! The job front isnt looking good!! My uncle has 30 acres that i have sheep on but 30 acres is nothing so grazing is out the window!!

mf240

Those agents you see buying are usually just putting them down to the factory and they get so much a head.

WellKiiid??

bob charles wrote: »

its a sure way to success

Care to teach me your ways Bob

Alibaba

WellKiiid?? wrote: »

Would there many fat cattle or cattle fit to kill going through the mart? I was thinking of buying and sending them straight to the factory from the mart!! This is what agents do isnt it? I know you would have to get them at the right price and all but would it be worth a try??

I'd say a lot of it (in the ring) is a closed shop.
They'll drive the price on you if ur seen to be muscling in on 'their cattle'.

I'd say the agents also get a bigger cut in the factory.

bob charles

its usually a sign of a guy surviving on the weeks credit from the mart. I cant think of anyone that has made money out of the game. You need €50 between the drop of the Gavel and what you get back on the factory sheet to clear your nose. I can think of a good few boys that would know cattle that have disappeared in the last few months since the credit change in marts. Anyone buying forward cattle for feeding can always take out a guy buying to go direct for slaughter. I would think the figure going through the ring that go direct for slaughter would be lower than 5%. I probably wouldn't kill 10 cattle in the year that wouldnt be held for a minimum of few weeks

stand on!!

often do it to make up a load , ain't always easy especially when you think youve a great cow bought and she only kills out a bit over 40%

bob charles

stand on!! wrote: »

often do it to make up a load , ain't always easy especially when you think youve a great cow bought and she only kills out a bit over 40%

never worth buying an animal just to fill a load. Do you reckon many have got rich from direct slaughtering from marts

WellKiiid??

bob charles wrote: »

its usually a sign of a guy surviving on the weeks credit from the mart. I cant think of anyone that has made money out of the game. You need €50 between the drop of the Gavel and what you get back on the factory sheet to clear your nose. I can think of a good few boys that would know cattle that have disappeared in the last few months since the credit change in marts. Anyone buying forward cattle for feeding can always take out a guy buying to go direct for slaughter. I would think the figure going through the ring that go direct for slaughter would be lower than 5%. I probably wouldn't kill 10 cattle in the year that wouldnt be held for a minimum of few weeks

What about short keep cattle?

bob charles

WellKiiid?? wrote: »

What about short keep cattle?

how long do you consider short keep.

Best thing for you is to try it out small scale and see how you get on, someone on here wrote a very good piece about there jobber father a few months ago that describes the hardship to perfection

WellKiiid??

bob charles wrote: »

how long do you consider short keep.

Best thing for you is to try it out small scale and see how you get on, someone on here wrote a very good piece about there jobber father a few months ago that describes the hardship to perfection

Maybe 6-7 weeks? If i was starting out small i would have enough grass to have cattle out grazing!! If i go ahead with it i would be starting out small anyway and i realise that it would take a long time to build up!!
Would it be worth while keeping the sheep on the land and pumping nuts into the cattle indoors? Probably wouldn't be worth while going to the bother of building them up on nuts if i would only be keeping them for 6 weeks!!

bob charles

WellKiiid?? wrote: »

Maybe 6-7 weeks? If i was starting out small i would have enough grass to have cattle out grazing!! If i go ahead with it i would be starting out small anyway and i realise that it would take a long time to build up!!
Would it be worth while keeping the sheep on the land and pumping nuts into the cattle indoors? Probably wouldn't be worth while going to the bother of building them up on nuts if i would only be keeping them for 6 weeks!!

Go and talk to some of the guys at this, Ask for their opinions and take it from there. I know what they will say. If you think you got an eye and the skill for such a business why not have a crack at it, just be careful

pakalasa

I know from buying store cattle in the past, when you are out buying every week, you will get good at knowing the value of cattle as soon as they come into the ring. Experineced dealers will know exactly what cattle are worth. These are the guys you will be up against. Be carefull.

Farmer Pudsey

Also remember that you will have to live by the rules
1. If Bob get his hand waving in the ring you cannot bid against him.
2. If you cross Paud over a fat cow he bone you for a few months
3. Joe buys the big heavy bulls
4. If I start bidding from the back and you are on an animal you have to take me out and I always try to drop him on the jobber before he drops him on me. That the day profit gone.

bob charles

realistically you would have to be buying a few animals each day a hundred cheap, this doesnt happen as the boys around the ring more often than not aren't the best of buddies either and none of them like to see one guy getting cheap animals over the other

Dampintheattic

Spent half an hour Tuesday in Ennis, at ringside in the middle of the dealers. Weanling sale. No bad considering the weather and all that. Avg €500 with weight for char and lim bulls.
One regular client, hanging in over the ring, busting his balls to open 300 to 350 kg bulls, at €400!!
Auctioneer completely ignoring him, but he definitely should have been invited by management to fuk off home! In my view!!

bob charles

Dampintheattic wrote: »

Spent half an hour Tuesday in Ennis, at ringside in the middle of the dealers. Weanling sale. No bad considering the weather and all that. Avg €500 with weight for char and lim bulls.
One regular client, hanging in over the ring, busting his balls to open 300 to 350 kg bulls, at €400!!
Auctioneer completely ignoring him, but he definitely should have been invited by management to fuk off home! In my view!!

I think you will find that guys at that crap are doing F all business. Open cattle right on the market or if bidding for cattle privately and you will be better off in the long run. Buying cattle isnt about insulting the owner

stand on!!

bob charles wrote: »

never worth buying an animal just to fill a load. Do you reckon many have got rich from direct slaughtering from marts

Well with the price of diesel and some days id have space for a few more to make it pay. You definitely wont be rich from it but you wont go hungry either. The credit in the marts has certainty cut out a good few lads at it was no harm to see the back of alot of them too.

moy83

bob charles wrote: »

I think you will find that guys at that crap are doing F all business. Open cattle right on the market or if bidding for cattle privately and you will be better off in the long run. Buying cattle isnt about insulting the owner

How do people still price cattle so low when buying privately , talk about twats . There is a fella around here that usually offers about half of what a beast is worth when he goes looking which is way too low to bargain up from . Id say 99% of the time he goes home with nothing , but what he actually does is make them more affordable on the next bucko that puts a half decent bid on them .
Funny enough then , in the mart when a beast has reached his worth the same fella will swoop in with an extra 20/40 and think he has done a great job poaching him from a genuine buyer :rolleyes:

Alibaba

WellKiiid?? wrote: »

Would there many fat cattle or cattle fit to kill going through the mart? I was thinking of buying and sending them straight to the factory from the mart!! This is what agents do isnt it? I know you would have to get them at the right price and all but would it be worth a try??

Best thing to do i'd say is to start off small.
Buy a couple and see how you get on with them.

Timmaay

WellKiiid?? wrote: »

I take your point Bizzum but i have to do something!! The job front isnt looking good!!

I'm certainly not trying to stamp on your dreams etc here, but in this case doing nothing at least wont lose you money, trying to send cattle straight from the mart to the factory almost certainly will lose ya money! Keep searching on the job front, I know the pain and desperation of this, but once ya get your foot in the door with a job, it means a lot having a steady wage coming every week, and being able to go home every evening without the stress of trying to keep a business as such on the road. If your still not convinced then read here: http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=2056948572. I'm trying not to be an utter defeatist here, like everything in life if you want something hard enough, are willing to work for it and get some luck along the way you could well make it, but the odds are most certainly stacked against ya!

Figerty

Dampintheattic wrote: »

Spent half an hour Tuesday in Ennis, at ringside in the middle of the dealers. Weanling sale. No bad considering the weather and all that. Avg €500 with weight for char and lim bulls.
One regular client, hanging in over the ring, busting his balls to open 300 to 350 kg bulls, at €400!!
Auctioneer completely ignoring him, but he definitely should have been invited by management to fuk off home! In my view!!

I was there as well. Had a heifer that I hadn't great hopes of in the ring. She was a plain heifer from a 16 year old cow, but would make a good breeder.

Those lads started at 350 for her (260kg). from the box I could see a farmer bidding for her once she hit 450. eventually got 600 for her. The farmer bought here, he was standing in the corners where the cattle exit.

The best comment of the lot on the day went to Neylon the auctioneer.

One guy was at what you say in the bullock ring; bidding low and buying nothing. He kept opening bids low but never buying, the American tourists bus came in and took their usual photos on the tour.

As they were leaving, this guy was bidding and not buying, only looking, Neylon said to him, in good banter, "that his bus was leaving...." got a good laugh around the ring.

pakalasa

I've said this before on here, but no harm at all have someone you know bidding on your cattle and get things going early. The marts don't mind either, as it speeds things up for them. Two can play at that game.;)

bob charles

pakalasa wrote: »

I've said this before on here, but no harm at all have someone you know bidding on your cattle and get things going early. The marts don't mind either, as it speeds things up for them. Two can play at that game.;)

and illegal, look at the terms and conditions on the back of the mart docket

bought a cheap heifer during the week around 500kilos, landed her home and she was going bananas, dangerous animal, so loaded her the following morning as I was going to factory anyway, she made 50euro between hammer falling and slaughter price before deduction and an R3. Now this was a heifer that was great value for feeding. my costs were about €35 - 40 so she left a tenner and she was cheap

tim04750

and just imagine her turning up with antibiotics in the system, straight into the skip ! T'would wipe the profit off the load.

Figerty

bob charles wrote: »

and illegal, look at the terms and conditions on the back of the mart docket

bought a cheap heifer during the week around 500kilos, landed her home and she was going bananas, dangerous animal, so loaded her the following morning as I was going to factory anyway, she made 50euro between hammer falling and slaughter price before deduction and an R3. Now this was a heifer that was great value for feeding. my costs were about €35 - 40 so she left a tenner and she was cheap

Anyone bidding is taking there chances they won't get stuck with an animal they don't want.

They put up screens in Ennis to try to stop the messing with fellas claiming the next animal in from the scales. It goes both ways.. and that is what makes it hard for the Original poster to break into the game.

bob charles

tim04750 wrote: »

and just imagine her turning up with antibiotics in the system, straight into the skip ! T'would wipe the profit off the load.

and a 20% cut in the SFP, no questions asked for the vendor.

bob charles

Figerty wrote: »

Anyone bidding is taking there chances they won't get stuck with an animal they don't want.

What the hell are you doing bidding for an animal you dont want in the first place. Auctioneer is very important in keeping the game fair for all. They have to know the value of the animal they are selling in the first place, many of them dont.

pakalasa

Cattle are always being 'puffed', as they call it around here. You just have to be aware of it.

Timmaay

I'm still a mart novice myself I'll admit, only venture down to flog off afew calves and cull cows afew times a year, yas have me scare of them now with all this talk about puffing etc!

Figerty

bob charles wrote: »

What the hell are you doing bidding for an animal you dont want in the first place. Auctioneer is very important in keeping the game fair for all. They have to know the value of the animal they are selling in the first place, many of them dont.

Well Bob, to state the blindingly obvious,, putting up the price when the lads on the ringside are holding each other back to keep the prices down.

I haven't done it, I'd rather bring them home or sell them outside the ring afterwards than do it. But, the reality is that it is being done where there is a cartel perceived at the ringside.

The amount of back slapping and lads lying against the ring, with their arms around the man beside them is funny, if you tried it in the pub you would be ran out the door by the same lads for sexual harassment!

WellKiiid??

Thanks everyone for the Help/ warnings! I shall let you all know how i fare out at it in the coming months

Paddy1951

bob charles wrote: »

its usually a sign of a guy surviving on the weeks credit from the mart. I cant think of anyone that has made money out of the game. You need €50 between the drop of the Gavel and what you get back on the factory sheet to clear your nose. I can think of a good few boys that would know cattle that have disappeared in the last few months since the credit change in marts. Anyone buying forward cattle for feeding can always take out a guy buying to go direct for slaughter. I would think the figure going through the ring that go direct for slaughter would be lower than 5%. I probably wouldn't kill 10 cattle in the year that wouldnt be held for a minimum of few weeks

New to this high tech from the pencil but to long looking at cattle and the dealers or tangles to advise you to stay clear of that option or you will end up you will have nothing to graze the 30 acres I wish you the best of luck maybe if y ou ask in tea gasc for advice paddy 51

Paddy1951

New to this high tech from the pencil but to long looking at cattle and the dealers or tangles to advise you to stay clear of that option or you will end up you will have nothing to graze the 30 acres I wish you the best of luck maybe if y ou ask in tea gasc for advice paddy 51

rivaldo2000

what the story with the screens in ennis.

Paddy1951

Now bob yr on. The ball nothingeasy in this game

Figerty

rivaldo2000 wrote: »

what the story with the screens in ennis.

Story I heard was dealers were 'claiming' animals they could see coming into the ring . To counter the complaints the mart screened off the scales side barriers with sheet steel to try to minimise this crack. But to be honest, if someone knows the lot number they want it doesn't stop it.

pakalasa

Figerty wrote: »

Story I heard was dealers were 'claiming' animals they could see coming into the ring . To counter the complaints the mart screened off the scales side barriers with sheet steel to try to minimise this crack. But to be honest, if someone knows the lot number they want it doesn't stop it.

I thoght that was more to do with trying to keep the cattle quieter.

rivaldo2000

Figerty wrote: »

Story I heard was dealers were 'claiming' animals they could see coming into the ring . To counter the complaints the mart screened off the scales side barriers with sheet steel to try to minimise this crack. But to be honest, if someone knows the lot number they want it doesn't stop it.

thought there was some rule bout all hands in ring taking as bids.They would just come up wit some other way of claiming them