Is VRT applicable on a UK/NI Nissan Leaf?

NIMAN

Title says it all really.

CiniO

NIMAN wrote: »

Title says it all really.

http://www.vrt.ie/vrtDetail.php?page=22

colm_mcm

VRT calculator says no.

No VRT on UK imported Leaf.

There are a few on Mainland UK going for around 17,000 Euro's with as little as 3-5k miles for 2011 and even 2012 have been spotted.

They are going fast though for arrival of the facelift leaf in a few weeks.

How many miles do you plan on doing a day ?

galwaytt

...VRT or no, if it's less than 6 months old/ 6k kms on it, you'll be paying 23% VAT on the invoice price, here...........

NIMAN

Deleted User wrote: »

No VRT on UK imported Leaf.

There are a few on Mainland UK going for around 17,000 Euro's with as little as 3-5k miles for 2011 and even 2012 have been spotted.

They are going fast though for arrival of the facelift leaf in a few weeks.

How many miles do you plan on doing a day ?

Although I am put off by the initial purchase price, the Leaf would suit my lifestyle.

I total commute daily is approx 50 miles, and then a lot of the journeys on my time off work are short runs. We also have a 2nd car which would suit any longer runs that might need to be done out of the range of the Leaf.

NIMAN

galwaytt wrote: »

...VRT or no, if it's less than 6 months old/ 6k kms on it, you'll be paying 23% VAT on the invoice price, here...........

Yeah I paid Irish VAT on my last car bought from NI, and if you do you get it VAT Free from the UK of course.

NIMAN

NIMAN wrote: »

Although I am put off by the initial purchase price, the Leaf would suit my lifestyle.

I total commute daily is approx 50 miles, and then a lot of the journeys on my time off work are short runs. We also have a 2nd car which would suit any longer runs that might need to be done out of the range of the Leaf.

If you can fast charge you can easily do 150+ miles in the Leaf a day. Though fast charging more than once a day isn't recommended. The New Chevy Spark next year will allow daily multiple fast charges.

If you can charge at work do, even with 50 mile commute. Just get a granny cable as it's called, ask naturalblue, where he got it I forget. He's a great example of what's possible in a Leaf as he commutes long distance by using the CityWest Public Charger.

The reason I say charge at work if you can is that it's better to keep your battery topped up to 80% and not let it get below 30-20% not that you'll harm it but you can dramatically extend the life of any lithium battery by doing this, and it's well documented fact.

if you can keep it topped up at work you'll be able to use the charge to 80% mode all the time. And only charge to 100% when you need to.

It all sounds complicated but it isn't really.

The Leaf does a good job at maintaining the battery, but it's still fact that by doing above you will greatly extend the life of the battery. Ireland's climate is also very good for batteries.

NIMAN

I think EVs definitely have a future, and I would love to try one out for a trial period.

Up to now, the work has not grasped the car park charger idea, but being a huge multinational I would say its something they might add in future.

NIMAN

NIMAN wrote: »

I think EVs definitely have a future, and I would love to try one out for a trial period.

Up to now, the work has not grasped the car park charger idea, but being a huge multinational I would say its something they might add in future.

Ask Nissan if you can rent one for a week or 2, you would need that granny cable though as you wouldn't have a home charge station.

If it's the same multinational I worked, I wouldn't hold your breath as they hadn't got a clue what was needed at all.

The fools thought they would need to install a fast charger and everyone would use it, when I told them they would need to install a charger for every car that would trickle charge @ 3.5kw over the course of a few hours they actually had the ignorance to laugh at me.

And when I told them they only need to install them for the longer distance driver and not for every ev driver they were even more amused. They wouldn't even entertain the idea that I actually knew what I was talking about.

And they are a successful multinational who thought they knew more than me about electric cars.

Atlantic Dawn

Interesting but was there not a minimum rate of €700 regardless of value of car you were importing, this was posted on here some time ago?

Atlantic Dawn

Atlantic Dawn wrote: »

Interesting but was there not a minimum rate of €700 regardless of value of car you were importing, this was posted on here some time ago?

Vrt or VAT ?

No VRT on electrics, no vat if over 6 months.

Atlantic Dawn

[Deleted User] wrote: »

Vrt or VAT ?

No VRT on electrics, no vat if over 6 months.

Yes found the VRT, www.revenue.ie/en/tax/vrt/faqs-vrt.html#section25 none on electrics as they are supplied by 100% green power from the fairies.

Interesting there is also rebate on imported hybrids to offset the VRT

www.revenue.ie/en/tax/vrt/faqs-vrt.html#section91

Atlantic Dawn

Atlantic Dawn wrote: »

none on electrics as they are supplied by 100% green power from the fairies.

You do have the option to install solar or wind power.

More wind at night can be used to charge electric cars rather than have to be turned off.

NIMAN

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Ask Nissan if you can rent one for a week or 2, you would need that granny cable though as you wouldn't have a home charge station.

Do you honestly think they would rent you one?

And don't think we worked for the same company, mine isn't in Kildare.;)

NIMAN

NIMAN wrote: »

Do you honestly think they would rent you one?

And don't think we worked for the same company, mine isn't in Kildare.;)

If they are serious in selling one I don't see why not, just tell them you want to know how it works out for you. They have been known to let people have them over a weekend, they maybe they know the people personally i don't know, worth a shot anyway.

The company I worked for wasn't in kildare, it was Grangecastle.

Wheres My ForkandKnife

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No VRT on UK imported Leaf.

There are a few on Mainland UK going for around 17,000 Euro's with as little as 3-5k miles for 2011 and even 2012 have been spotted.

They are going fast though for arrival of the facelift leaf in a few weeks.

How many miles do you plan on doing a day ?

You username is certainly apt. I am beginning to wonder if you sell these for a living:)I posted on this thread on 28/04/13(post #113)

http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?p=84365414

There was 66 of them for sale in the UK at that time. Just did a quick check this morning on Autotrader this morning and guess how many there are for sale nearly three weeks later?That's right, 66:D.

And at a quick glance it is exactly the same stock. So even with €0 road tax in the UK or €0 vrt over here they are not exacytly flying off the forecourts.

In fact, they're not going fast in any sense, are they:D:D:D

Wheres My ForkandKnife

Wheres My ForkandKnife wrote: »

In fact, they're not going fast in any sense, are they:D:D:D

You happen to know they are the exact same ones ? you must check a lot more than I then, maybe you're interested in a Leaf ? :pac:

The ones going cheap are the ones selling.

I'm sure a Leaf can be got that isn't too far from any of the ports. You can charge on the ferry too.

NIMAN

Whats the story re: the batteries if you buy one 2nd hand?

I take it you own that set, and most people lease the batteries. If the set on your car develop a problem, whats the potential cost implications?

NIMAN

NIMAN wrote: »

Whats the story re: the batteries if you buy one 2nd hand?

I take it you own that set, and most people lease the batteries. If the set on your car develop a problem, whats the potential cost implications?

No you own the batteries, Renault lease the batteries.

Renault will offer option to buy the batteries in the U.K but not Ireland.

Nissan will offer to lease the batteries in the facelift Leaf, but not in Ireland. Irish people are hugely anti lease.

If you add it up the cost of the Lease would probably repair or install a new battery when the time comes. It does make the initial cost of the car cheaper to buy, only thing is though if you add up the cost of the lease of the battery, along with the monthly payment of the car it would probably add up the same anyway.

There is no doubt the battery will degrade, but how much and how fast is still unknown yet, one U.K Leaf owner has 35k miles with no noticeable loss of capacity, I'm sure there are others. Some in the U.S have around the same.

when you loose the first capacity bar that means you have lost 15% and each bar after represents something like 6%.

Nissan can replace modules, which will reduce the cost of replacing a full pack, they have not stated the cost yet. But you won't ever see 100% capacity again and Nissan have stated this, they will not offer a brand new pack. Maybe they will change their mind, but it would be great for their reputation if they took your old pack and offered a discount on a new pack.

Going back to what I keep saying the more of the middle part of your battery say 80%-30% will significantly increase the cycle life of your battery. And Nissan say no more than 1 fast charge per day. But I doubt most people will fast charge even once a week.

Nissan do not allow you to use all the battery top or bottom anyway but the less you use of it (when you don't need to) the better and avoid charging to 100% when you don't need to.

The Tesla Model S has over 300,000 miles on one of their test cars and the battery is still good. Now it's a different battery to the one in the Leaf but also most people will never use the full range of the Tesla in one go so you seriously reduce the cycling of the battery.

One of the reasons Nissan have not used a larger than 24 kw/h (21 usable) is because of cost, size and weight.

Wheres My ForkandKnife

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You happen to know they are the exact same ones ? you must check a lot more than I then, maybe you're interested in a Leaf ? :pac:

The ones going cheap are the ones selling.

I'm sure a Leaf can be got that isn't too far from any of the ports. You can charge on the ferry too.

OK,You got me.I check thm every day as I have a burning ambition to own one:D

Seriously though, at one stage I toyed with the idea of getting one for the other half.She wants something automatic the is cheap to run.She is not into cars and doesn't even particularily like driving so it does tick those boxes.The vrt is €0 and the tax and insurance is cheap.Also very few moving parts.

Now before this goes off into a chat about kwh and power output which just puts me to sleep I looked at fuel economy from a mpg point of view which everyone understands.Everything I have read suggests that the leaf does the equivalent of 100mpg.Thats great isnt it until you think that the tank is only a gallon.

I have a mobile phone which needs to be charged every day.I have a charger at home and in the car and yet I often forget to charge it.PITA but I can put up with it as its a nice phone and a compromise we all live with.An old nokia used to go a week without a charge.

I could not live with this compromise with a car.The latest prius apparently gets about 70mpg without the hastle and there are charging points (petrol stations)everywhere.It takes about 3 mins to get to a full charge:)

Wheres My ForkandKnife

Wheres My ForkandKnife wrote: »

OK,You got me.I check thm every day as I have a burning ambition to own one:D

Seriously though, at one stage I toyed with the idea of getting one for the other half.She wants something automatic the is cheap to run.She is not into cars and doesn't even particularily like driving so it does tick those boxes.The vrt is €0 and the tax and insurance is cheap.Also very few moving parts.

Now before this goes off into a chat about kwh and power output which just puts me to sleep I looked at fuel economy from a mpg point of view which everyone understands.Everything I have read suggests that the leaf does the equivalent of 100mpg.Thats great isnt it until you think that the tank is only a gallon.

I have a mobile phone which needs to be charged every day.I have a charger at home and in the car and yet I often forget to charge it.PITA but I can put up with it as its a nice phone and a compromise we all live with.An old nokia used to go a week without a charge.

I could not live with this compromise with a car.The latest prius apparently gets about 70mpg without the hastle and there are charging points (petrol stations)everywhere.It takes about 3 mins to get to a full charge:)

Forget about MPG as it's ludicrous to talk mpg when dealing with electrics. The only thing that should be discussed or printed on labels is the miles or km per kw/h so people can calculate that if the leaf does 4 miles average per kw/h and it has 21 usable then you simply multiply 21x 4 =84 miles. So it will cost me 21 kw/h x 9 cent per kw/h = 1.89 Euro's to do 84 miles etc.

MPG ???? completely meaningless for electrics.

I can't imagine you would find plugging in a car a pita ?

How far is your commute ?

NaturalBlue commutes to Citywest and charges there and so does a lot of miles a week.

All you need really is an outdoor 13 amp socket, the U.K leaf comes with a portable EVSE worth 500 or so, so check this comes with any UK Leaf you buy, they don't Include it in Ireland of course, great excuse to make an extra 500 profit as they said the ESB recommend it didn't come with it. But I'm sure any half decent Boss will allow you to plug in if a full charge won't get you home.

IF I were to plug in at citywest or red cow Luas every day then I could easily cover 20k miles a year. I could then do most if not all other driving with a fast charger, if not then I could take Prius or get a loan of brother/sister/mother car if I sold the Prius.

20K miles a year is hardly nothing.

CiniO

Deleted User wrote: »

Forget about MPG as it's ludicrous to talk mpg when dealing with electrics. The only thing that should be discussed or printed on labels is the miles or km per kw/h so people can calculate that if the leaf does 4 miles average per kw/h and it has 21 usable then you simply multiply 21x 4 =84 miles. So it will cost me 21 kw/h x 9 cent per kw/h = 1.89 Euro's to do 84 miles etc.

It's a detail, but it's not kw/h but KWh (KiloWatt * hour).
Multiplication instead of division.

dingding

Do you have to pay a rental charge on the battery and how does that work when the Leaf is exported.

http://www.engadget.com/2013/04/14/new-nissan-leaf-comes-to-the-uk-with-battery-leasing-option-ext/

Also looks like it is subsidised by the UK government.

CiniO

CiniO wrote: »

It's a detail, but it's not kw/h but KWh (KiloWatt * hour).
Multiplication instead of division.

Yes, you're right. Don't know where I got it from? lol

dingding

dingding wrote: »

Do you have to pay a rental charge on the battery and how does that work when the Leaf is exported.

http://www.engadget.com/2013/04/14/new-nissan-leaf-comes-to-the-uk-with-battery-leasing-option-ext/

Also looks like it is subsidised by the UK government.

No battery rental on the 2011-facelift summer 2013 model, battery rental will be an option on the facelift, in the UK only and option to buy with the battery will also be offered.

The leaf is subsidized here too with 5k off and free charger installation.

If buying a 2nd hand Leaf you need to get a home charger installed. That could work out over a grand or close.

Seems Nissan reduced torque by 20lbs on the facelift too !

galwaytt

[Deleted User] wrote: »

Vrt or VAT ?

No VRT on electrics, no vat if over 6 months.

No VAT depends on mileage. ...must have more than 6k to not attract VAT.

Wheres My ForkandKnife

Deleted User wrote: »

Forget about MPG as it's ludicrous to talk mpg when dealing with electrics. The only thing that should be discussed or printed on labels is the miles or km per kw/h so people can calculate that if the leaf does 4 miles average per kw/h and it has 21 usable then you simply multiply 21x 4 =84 miles. So it will cost me 21 kw/h x 9 cent per kw/h = 1.89 Euro's to do 84 miles etc.

MPG ???? completely meaningless for electrics.

I can't imagine you would find plugging in a car a pita ?

How far is your commute ?

NaturalBlue commutes to Citywest and charges there and so does a lot of miles a week.

All you need really is an outdoor 13 amp socket, the U.K leaf comes with a portable EVSE worth 500 or so, so check this comes with any UK Leaf you buy, they don't Include it in Ireland of course, great excuse to make an extra 500 profit as they said the ESB recommend it didn't come with it. But I'm sure any half decent Boss will allow you to plug in if a full charge won't get you home.

IF I were to plug in at citywest or red cow Luas every day then I could easily cover 20k miles a year. I could then do most if not all other driving with a fast charger, if not then I could take Prius or get a loan of brother/sister/mother car if I sold the Prius.

20K miles a year is hardly nothing.

You're just being pedantic now.I used mpg as a frame of reference which everyone understands.If you would prefer I could use cent per kilometre but then you would argue that fuel prices vary.

By the way you never told us how you know these cars are selling fast.Some of the cheap one that were there a month ago are deninitely still there and these are low mileage models from main dealers.

So as you have stated as fact that these are selling fast would you care to back this up.I must take a screen shot and look again in a month.

Wheres My ForkandKnife

Wheres My ForkandKnife wrote: »

You're just being pedantic now.I used mpg as a frame of reference which everyone understands.If you would prefer I could use cent per kilometre but then you would argue that fuel prices vary.

By the way you never told us how you know these cars are selling fast.Some of the cheap one that were there a month ago are deninitely still there and these are low mileage models from main dealers.

So as you have stated as fact that these are selling fast would you care to back this up.I must take a screen shot and look again in a month.

Eah, the 2012's with 3-5k miles went fast, there are 2011's still around in the UK. My Enter button isn't working properly and I've to reboot so forgive the lack of paragraphs in this post. I'm saying the MPGe is stupid I wasn't having a go at you, but MPGe means nothing as I'm putting leccy in kwh (got it right ) into the battery not gallons of anything, I don't think anyone cares about the MPGe anyway as they only care about the cost of electricity and how efficient the car is, so miles per kwh or km per kwh and cost to recharge are far more meaningful.