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opinion please

  • 14-05-2013 12:06PM
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    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 311 ✭✭


    Getting motivation from Bill gates who does many things to serve the community ( after he earned a lot of money :)) wouldnt it be possible for every employer to do their share reagrdless of their success level? I mean - for example if an Organization is getting returns of, say, 50- 60% on thier total investment, they are obliged to divert their additional profit towards businesses that focus on world issues. With the growing importance and preferance of sharing concept in todays world wouldnt it be a good idea if idea of social responsibility is shifted from very large firms to all firms thus reducing personal benifitting from these activities to those firms to benifitting humanity all togather

    GOD! its all messed up in my head, hope my idea makes sense to all of you :rolleyes:


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,102 ✭✭✭RossFixxxed


    Lend me fifty euro?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 311 ✭✭simply simple


    I would if thats a social responsibility but let me earn 50 % first:D


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,025 ✭✭✭Shane-KornSpace


    I read the title as "Onion please"....


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 311 ✭✭simply simple


    Okay so you mean to say, its a bad idea?
    I never said that my idea is right and one should think its right and can work, NO. I just wanted opinions or ONIONS on it so that helps to make clear if this is a valued idea or just junk one. :)


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,430 ✭✭✭Ilik Urgee


    So if I bust my balls for 10,15, 20 years, turn a company into one with a handsome profit, you expect me to hand back up to 15% to a world sharing preference?


    Charity is a choice OP,not a duty.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,036 ✭✭✭murphym7


    Is that you Karl? Did you not try this years ago?


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,507 ✭✭✭Nino Brown


    Kinda like communism? Didn't they try that already?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 311 ✭✭simply simple


    Ilik Urgee wrote: »
    Charity is a choice OP,not a duty.

    Really? I think its ones duty. Why did some people favour giving charities to other countries when it was passing through its tough time? and Still after dwindling condition Ireland did it, reduced it but did it, Do how much you can afford but it is our duty definitely.


  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Music Moderators, Politics Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 22,380 CMod ✭✭✭✭Dravokivich


    Would it be a corporate tax you are suggesting?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 311 ✭✭simply simple


    Nino Brown wrote: »
    Kinda like communism? Didn't they try that already?
    Acting according to that one ruling party,ya that definitely failed.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,295 ✭✭✭✭Duggy747


    Why would you ever want to start a business then what with all the taxes and then have a massive chunk of your profits taken away from you?

    It's essentially another corporate tax you're suggesting.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 311 ✭✭simply simple


    Would it be a corporate tax you are suggesting?

    Yes, kind of not sure how it would work though! I know people can manipulate their taxes


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 311 ✭✭simply simple


    Duggy747 wrote: »
    Why would you ever want to start a business then what with all the taxes and then have a massive chunk of your profits taken away from you.

    It's essentially another corporate tax you're suggesting.

    Then why on earth are there institutions those who are just helping others?
    Its like asking everyone to take the initiative. Is not just taking away amount, it would be like for any additional profit they would invest it for research for global issues and can, may be, earn profit from it later on.. thus also solving world issues. (one of the example of spending the share of profit)


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 2,103 ✭✭✭Tiddlypeeps


    It's a dumb idea, multinational companies would pull out over night increasing unemployment and reducing peoples disposable incomes meaning people have less money to give to charities. Most of those companies are only here to enjoy our low tax rates, once that is gone they will be too.

    Also just as a question of logistics, who would decide where the money goes? If it's not the company themselves then I strongly disagree with it because it means if I ever have a large profitable company then I will have to give money to a cause I probably won't agree with.

    Just for the record I also disagree with goverments sending aid to countries in need. If the people want to give those countries money then that is their business, it is not what tax is for.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,507 ✭✭✭Nino Brown


    Really? I think its ones duty. Why did some people favour giving charities to other countries when it was passing through its tough time? and Still after dwindling condition Ireland did it, reduced it but did it, Do how much you can afford but it is our duty definitely.

    I don't think it's our duty at all. Especially for money pits like some of those African countries. After natural disasters like Quakes, and Tsuanamis I would be inclined to donate then to get Countries back on their feet. But standardized donations to lazy uncivilized countries just promotes the problems in that country.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 311 ✭✭simply simple


    It's a dumb idea, multinational companies would pull out over night increasing unemployment and reducing peoples disposable incomes meaning people have less money to give to charities. Most of those companies are only here to enjoy our low tax rates, once that is gone they will be too.

    Also just as a question of logistics, who would decide where the money goes? If it's not the company themselves then I strongly disagree with it because it means if I ever have a large profitable company then I will have to give money to a cause I probably won't agree with.

    Just for the record I also disagree with goverments sending aid to countries in need. If the people want to give those countries money then that is their business, it is not what tax is for.

    First of all where does money come from for large scale reasearches government is doing? from the tax we pay to them and some companies who see potential in that idea. No no one will be dictating where this money should be invested but there might be some strategic planning and guidelines and areas provided regarding where these can be invested


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 311 ✭✭simply simple


    Nino Brown wrote: »
    I don't think it's our duty at all. Especially for money pits like some of those African countries. After natural disasters like Quakes, and Tsuanamis I would be inclined to donate then to get Countries back on their feet. But standardized donations to lazy uncivilized countries just promotes the problems in that country.

    Wont you donate where you feel like donating from your income, its just a matter of that issue touching your heart.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 311 ✭✭simply simple


    If profit was the only intention, where and how did corporate social responsibility come into picture?


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,507 ✭✭✭Nino Brown


    First of all where does money come from for large scale reasearches government is doing? from the tax we pay to them and some companies who see potential in that idea. No no one will be dictating where this money should be invested but there might be some strategic planning and guidelines and areas provided regarding where these can be invested

    So there's nothing wrong with system. If the market see's a need for the research, then companies and government fund the research, companies will only donate what the deem to be a suitable risk for that particular research. And if the research isn't going well, funding is pulled.
    If we pumped money into research we would have research for the sake of research. If the research wasn't going well it would continue anyway because the funding was there.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 311 ✭✭simply simple


    Nino Brown wrote: »
    So there's nothing wrong with system. If the market see's a need for the research, then companies and government fund the research, companies will only donate what the deem to be a suitable risk for that particular research. And if the research isn't going well, funding is pulled.
    If we pumped money into research we would have research for the sake of research. If the research wasn't going well it would continue anyway because the funding was there.
    Spending money on research was just an example:rolleyes:


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,430 ✭✭✭Ilik Urgee


    Why the rolleyes?
    You ask for an opinion and then you discard it with that!


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,507 ✭✭✭Nino Brown


    Spending money on research was just an example:rolleyes:

    I'm not really sure what you think should be done with the money then, benefiting humanity is a pretty vague term. You'd have a hard time getting anybody to hand over money for "the benefit of humanity", in fact when you want money from tax payers it's probably better to not mention the word "benefit" at all.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 2,103 ✭✭✭Tiddlypeeps


    First of all where does money come from for large scale reasearches government is doing? from the tax we pay to them and some companies who see potential in that idea. No no one will be dictating where this money should be invested but there might be some strategic planning and guidelines and areas provided regarding where these can be invested

    I have no idea what you are trying to say here. I'm not even sure it's english :confused:


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,368 ✭✭✭micosoft



    Just for the record I also disagree with goverments sending aid to countries in need. If the people want to give those countries money then that is their business, it is not what tax is for.

    Bravo! With immediate effect the IMF, US, Germany and other solvent EU countries should stop any payments to Ireland and collapse our economy. Shure it's not what there tax was for! And also insist on all structural funding to be paid back.


  • Posts: 5,250 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    OP there is nothing stopping you handing over your cash to charity, or starting a business with charitable intentions.

    Mandating the rest of us to do the same is unjust.

    As far as I know Bill Gates gave his own money to charity - not that of Microsoft.

    Do loss making companies get given charity?


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,430 ✭✭✭Ilik Urgee


    micosoft wrote: »
    Bravo! With immediate effect the IMF, US, Germany and other solvent EU countries should stop any payments to Ireland and collapse our economy. Shure it's not what there tax was for! And also insist on all structural funding to be paid back.

    That's debt, not charity.

    IMF giving us money:D


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,368 ✭✭✭micosoft


    Do loss making companies get given charity?

    They sure do! Bus Eireann, Irish Rail and Dublin Bus to start with....


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 311 ✭✭simply simple


    Nino Brown wrote: »
    I'm not really sure what you think should be done with the money then, benefiting humanity is a pretty vague term. You'd have a hard time getting anybody to hand over money for "the benefit of humanity", in fact when you want money from tax payers it's probably better to not mention the word "benefit" at all.
    I agree to what you are saying, but do you think that by taking a better approach this can be done, or fist of all should it be done?


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,507 ✭✭✭Nino Brown


    micosoft wrote: »
    Bravo! With immediate effect the IMF, US, Germany and other solvent EU countries should stop any payments to Ireland and collapse our economy. Shure it's not what there tax was for! And also insist on all structural funding to be paid back.

    You do know the difference between aid, and a loan with interest right? And you also realize that if the EU did that, the euro would collapse taking economies of all those countries down with us.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,368 ✭✭✭micosoft


    Ilik Urgee wrote: »
    That's debt, not charity.

    IMF giving us money:D

    They are lending money to us when no other fool would.
    We are paying substantially below market value for that debt.
    We are insisting that we get some form of debt write-off.

    Pretty damn close to being a charity case if you ask me!

    We are still getting significant grant aid which is direct charity from the EU.
    http://trueeconomics.blogspot.ie/2012/11/24112012-eu-transfers-to-ireland-boom.html


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