Advice on jeep?

nihicib2

Hi all

I know this has been done before but I guess each OP has their own different spec when asking about buying a Jeep,

So basically myself and himself have gone our separate ways and I now have two vehicles sitting outside the front door, I have an 03 Peugeot 206, under 50,000 miles and very easy to run and an 06 2.5 mitsubishi L200 which is not so easy to run.:rolleyes:

I'm going to sell both and buy a smaller jeep, but I still need one that can tow a horsebox and two horses, a good four wheeler that can go into a field when I need to load hay and one that wont cost me an arm and a leg to run.

No kids so no need for back seats, commercial is fine, cant really think of any more questions but as soon as the advice comes (hopefully) rolling in I might think of a few more.

So thanks in advance for any ideas

bob charles

suzuki vitara xl 7 ?

Lastin

Do you need a jeep or can you do without one fueling one is very expensive in comparison to your 206 as you say

yellow50HX

Lastin wrote: »

Do you need a jeep or can you do without one fueling one is very expensive in comparison to your 206 as you say

How often do you need the jeep to pull horses, how much driving would you normally do for the 206?

What about flogging the pickup and getting an older one just pulling the horse box.

nihicib2

Lastin wrote: »

Do you need a jeep or can you do without one fueling one is very expensive in comparison to your 206 as you say

yellow50HX wrote: »

How often do you need the jeep to pull horses, how much driving would you normally do for the 206?

What about flogging the pickup and getting an older one just pulling the horse box.

Yeah I need a jeep, along with horses I have a few pigs and cattle, just for meat and milk for the house, and I need to keep some sort of 4x4, so I have to get rid of the car as its too expensive to keep both, I do average milage with the car. I don't see the point of getting rid of the L200 and getting an older one as I will still have to pay for 2 vehicles.

I was advised that a commercial swb Toyota landcruiser or a Mitsubishi Pajero would be suitable, I want something thats comfortable enough to use as my only car and yet powerful enough to pull two horses.

Any thoughts on these and of course any other options would be great

blue5000

Landcruiser is a biitch on diesel. Even without a trailer behind it I struggle to get 30mpg. Some of those renault kangoo vans are 4wd and do over 40mpg, could be taxed commercial too. What sort of mileage does your peugeot do in a year?

Muckit

A Suzuki Vitara or a 1996-99 ish vintage mitusbishi pajero. The Suzuki would have a 2l engine. Does not like twists and turns - handling not the best. Pajero is a 2.5L (avoid the 2.8) with variable suspension and very solid on the road.

Have you a light right foot? If you drive either of these under 40mph you will do plenty of motoring on a tank of juice and both will happily do all you ask of them.

Bizzum

Muckit wrote: »

A Suzuki Vitara or a 1996-99 ish vintage mitusbishi pajero. The Suzuki would have a 2l engine. Does not like twists and turns - handling not the best. Pajero is a 2.5L (avoid the 2.8) with variable suspension and very solid on the road.

Have you a light right foot? If you drive either of these under 40mph you will do plenty of motoring on a tank of juice and both will happily do all you ask of them.

I know 2 lads that drive a Vitara, both have had previous Vitaras and swear by them.

Muckit

Ya they are a very under rated jeep. I'd have one any day before a landcruiser, but not the mitsi!

redzerologhlen

Muckit wrote: »

Ya they are a very under rated jeep. I'd have one any day before a landcruiser, but not the mitsi!

Had a few pajeros here and to be honest as a machine the landcruiser is in a different league I think, hard enough on diesel alright though.

jomoloney

Muckit wrote: »

A Suzuki Vitara or a 1996-99 ish vintage mitusbishi pajero. The Suzuki would have a 2l engine. Does not like twists and turns - handling not the best. Pajero is a 2.5L (avoid the 2.8) with variable suspension and very solid on the road.

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most prefer the 2.8

way lighter on diesel for starters

bob charles

Bizzum wrote: »

I know 2 lads that drive a Vitara, both have had previous Vitaras and swear by them.

vitara is a super little jeep, except you need the hands of a child to perform any task on the engine.

Farmer Pudsey

Have you much money to put with the two . Any big jeep will be as bad as the L200 to run. What is average mileage in the car 10K miles/year. In a jeep this will cost 3.5-4K/year for fuel and servicing and not too much to go wrong along with what ever it costs to run the L200 at present.

A jeep to pull two horses and box would have to be rated to pull over 2 ton. You also need manual 4WD if going in and out of fields as opposes to 4WD that kicks in and out automatically. If doing a lot of mileage then crew cabs are not comfortable. If you can avoid going in and out of fields. Vitara is rated to pull 3K pounds about 1.4 ton's so not legal to pull two horses. Santa Fe is rated at ov2.5 ton for the manual 4WD as opposed to 2 Ton for automatic. I presume that automatic means that the 4WD kicks in and out itself and it a normal transmission. To pull a box and two horses you would need the manual 4WD. If you can ditch one of the horses the Vitara might be an option.

Another option would be ford Kuga AWD however they only came out in 2008 and AWD (all wheel drive) ones in a van format would be rearer than hen's teeth in Ireland. You might come across one in England. They do 40MPG driving around with a box behind. Again you have to lose a horse as hey are rated to pull only 2T.

yellow50HX

Farmer Pudsey wrote: »

Have you much money to put with the two . Any big jeep will be as bad as the L200 to run. What is average mileage in the car 10K miles/year. In a jeep this will cost 3.5-4K/year for fuel and servicing and not too much to go wrong along with what ever it costs to run the L200 at present.

A jeep to pull two horses and box would have to be rated to pull over 2 ton. You also need manual 4WD if going in and out of fields as opposes to 4WD that kicks in and out automatically. If doing a lot of mileage then crew cabs are not comfortable. If you can avoid going in and out of fields. Vitara is rated to pull 3K pounds about 1.4 ton's so not legal to pull two horses. Santa Fe is rated at ov2.5 ton for the manual 4WD as opposed to 2 Ton for automatic. I presume that automatic means that the 4WD kicks in and out itself and it a normal transmission. To pull a box and two horses you would need the manual 4WD. If you can ditch one of the horses the Vitara might be an option.

Another option would be ford Kuga AWD however they only came out in 2008 and AWD (all wheel drive) ones in a van format would be rearer than hen's teeth in Ireland. You might come across one in England. They do 40MPG driving around with a box behind. Again you have to lose a horse as hey are rated to pull only 2T.

yeah the smaller jeeps like the vitara, kuga and rav4 would all be better on juice but if your doing a lot of towing and with a big horse box and 2 big horses you'll need the bigger jeeps. if your not going to be doing huge milage then a SWB land crusier might be a better compromise.

I do have a neighbour that has a 10 year old pick up and a car. he does shift work about 40 miles from home but is also farming his kids are into horse's so does a lot of events over the weekends. He had a LWB landcrusier but it was killing him on juice going to and from work.

vanderbadger

what about these yokes
http://cars.donedeal.ie/for-sale/cars/5004408

Farmer Pudsey

vanderbadger wrote: »

what about these yokes
http://cars.donedeal.ie/for-sale/cars/5004408

Ground clearance would be an issue not sure what way on juice. Also are you legal to tow a box with them there is a move on to prevent car towing 4 wheel trailers. For that kind of money you could get a Ford Kuga AWD car/jeep out of England.

Running costs of jeeps is becoming a big issue especially where they are used as a run around as well. Heard abot two brothers that finish cattle two jeeps and trailers behind one goes to mart second goes if two loads to be collected or more. Diesel bill 600+/week for the two. This is before depreciation of jeeps or trailers, maintenance/servicing/DOE. If they buy 40 cattle/week what are the transports costs/head. It is easy to pay a couple thousand to maintain a jeep.

vanderbadger

what about this, be very handy for a farmer i reckon
http://cars.donedeal.ie/for-sale/cars/4828320

bbam

vanderbadger wrote: »

what about this, be very handy for a farmer i reckon
http://cars.donedeal.ie/for-sale/cars/4828320

I'd say it would be great.
They are a dream to drive.
But they are thirsty at the pump too. Average 35mpg.

Bizzum

vanderbadger wrote: »

what about this, be very handy for a farmer i reckon
http://cars.donedeal.ie/for-sale/cars/4828320[/QUOTE]

Wouldn't take much to have her looking like the A Team.
I can nearly see Mr T jumping out at the Coop looking to "Get some nuts":D

vanderbadger

Bizzum wrote: »

vanderbadger wrote: »

what about this, be very handy for a farmer i reckon
http://cars.donedeal.ie/for-sale/cars/4828320[/QUOTE]

Wouldn't take much to have her looking like the A Team.
I can nearly see Mr T jumping out at the Coop looking to "Get some nuts":D

ah sure its easy quieten him..throw an auld drop of doped up milk into him and he nods off

Farmer Pudsey

bbam wrote: »

I'd say it would be great.
They are a dream to drive.
But they are thirsty at the pump too. Average 35mpg.

Not much with 30MPG Good to pull rated to tow 3T however as it is not independant 4WD with road tyres can be a bit helpless in fields and get stuck easy. Ground clearance not too bad

bbam

Farmer Pudsey wrote: »

Not much with 30MPG Good to pull rated to tow 3T however as it is not independant 4WD with road tyres can be a bit helpless in fields and get stuck easy. Ground clearance not too bad

I've only used them on road but they are comfortable and very capable at pulling a load. I considered one but the crew cabs are expensive so I opted for a jeep instead.

Lurching

Why don't you just sell the 206 and keep the L200?
The vehicles talked about above would not justify the cost of changing. At least you know the service history etc of the L200. Who knows what you'd end up with buying something else.

nihicib2

Farmer Pudsey wrote: »

Have you much money to put with the two . Any big jeep will be as bad as the L200 to run. What is average mileage in the car 10K miles/year. In a jeep this will cost 3.5-4K/year for fuel and servicing and not too much to go wrong along with what ever it costs to run the L200 at present.



A jeep to pull two horses and box would have to be rated to pull over 2 ton. You also need manual 4WD if going in and out of fields as opposes to 4WD that kicks in and out automatically. If doing a lot of mileage then crew cabs are not comfortable. If you can avoid going in and out of fields. Vitara is rated to pull 3K pounds about 1.4 ton's so not legal to pull two horses. Santa Fe is rated at ov2.5 ton for the manual 4WD as opposed to 2 Ton for automatic. I presume that automatic means that the 4WD kicks in and out itself and it a normal transmission. To pull a box and two horses you would need the manual 4WD. If you can ditch one of the horses the Vitara might be an option.

Another option would be ford Kuga AWD however they only came out in 2008 and AWD (all wheel drive) ones in a van format would be rearer than hen's teeth in Ireland. You might come across one in England. They do 40MPG driving around with a box behind. Again you have to lose a horse as hey are rated to pull only 2T.

I do want to get a 4x4 as its safer in the long run. Well I'd have about 8/9 grand to spend, average milage is about the 10,000 mark on the car.

Lurching wrote: »

Why don't you just sell the 206 and keep the L200?
The vehicles talked about above would not justify the cost of changing. At least you know the service history etc of the L200. Who knows what you'd end up with buying something else.

While I am considering that, but she is a tank to be using every day with parking etc and thats why Im asking here if there's any alternative smaller SWB commercial jeep (back seats are not needed)

The 206 is going anyway as the jeep is needed I was just looking for a smaller and hopefully less costly 4x4. :rolleyes:
I dont do a huge amount of towing maybe twice, three times a month, sometimes more depending on moving animals to new grass, buying in hay etc. so I can't be without one, I suppose I'd be better off selling the animals, the vehicles and having a good holiday, but hey it'd be great if we were all that sensible

:rolleyes:

yellow50HX

nihicib2 wrote: »

I do want to get a 4x4 as its safer in the long run. Well I'd have about 8/9 grand to spend, average milage is about the 10,000 mark on the car.



While I am considering that, but she is a tank to be using every day with parking etc and thats why Im asking here if there's any alternative smaller SWB commercial jeep (back seats are not needed)

The 206 is going anyway as the jeep is needed I was just looking for a smaller and hopefully less costly 4x4. :rolleyes:
I dont do a huge amount of towing maybe twice, three times a month, sometimes more depending on moving animals to new grass, buying in hay etc. so I can't be without one, I suppose I'd be better off selling the animals, the vehicles and having a good holiday, but hey it'd be great if we were all that sensible

:rolleyes:

in that case get a SWB pajero or landcrusier, not sure what the land rovers are like but they might be an optioon too, seem cheaper then teh jap ones. you may find after a few months that its killing you on juice or you may find no difference.

Farmer Pudsey

nihicib2 wrote: »

I do want to get a 4x4 as its safer in the long run. Well I'd have about 8/9 grand to spend, average milage is about the 10,000 mark on the car.



While I am considering that, but she is a tank to be using every day with parking etc and thats why Im asking here if there's any alternative smaller SWB commercial jeep (back seats are not needed)

The 206 is going anyway as the jeep is needed I was just looking for a smaller and hopefully less costly 4x4. :rolleyes:
I dont do a huge amount of towing maybe twice, three times a month, sometimes more depending on moving animals to new grass, buying in hay etc. so I can't be without one, I suppose I'd be better off selling the animals, the vehicles and having a good holiday, but hey it'd be great if we were all that sensible

:rolleyes:

I look at 2008/9 Kuga out of the UK try to keep out of fields in wet weather and chance the two horses now and again. They are as comfortable as a car and are very tidy. Running cost will be about 2/3 of the bigger 4WD and have better value down the line if you decide to change again

pburns

Farmer Pudsey wrote: »

Ground clearance would be an issue not sure what way on juice. Also are you legal to tow a box with them there is a move on to prevent car towing 4 wheel trailers. For that kind of money you could get a Ford Kuga AWD car/jeep out of England.

Running costs of jeeps is becoming a big issue especially where they are used as a run around as well. Heard abot two brothers that finish cattle two jeeps and trailers behind one goes to mart second goes if two loads to be collected or more. Diesel bill 600+/week for the two. This is before depreciation of jeeps or trailers, maintenance/servicing/DOE. If they buy 40 cattle/week what are the transports costs/head. It is easy to pay a couple thousand to maintain a jeep.

They're an SUV, probably Grand Vitara size or a bit bigger and AWD I think you're mixing them up with other Subarus. Mind you I had a Legacy Diesel that gave DMF problems.

They'd certainly be as legal to tow as anything else mentioned...

tmboy95

Swb landcruiser we have lwb one and its a great jeep to pull! They're very reliable too. One thing about them is some of the older ones lets say 00 or what not backwards, the lights wouldn't be great and sometimes if they have alot done start to jump out of first gear (can be cured by keep your hand on it). But ya they're a good strong reliable jeep.

jmrc

Mitsu Outlander commercial? 2.0L d. low Vrt 4x4 all be it without locking diff. and when your not lugging a load its a nice enough yoke to drive.

smg2013

my trooper is terminal at this stage , he prob has a month to live , i wanted to get a van,(berlingo) type, iv a 12by5 trailer, its prob to heavy for it though, would a 8by4 be ok for berlingo, or is there a better van i could get to pull a 12by 5, thanks off thread slighly but dont think it deserves a new one,

Farmer Pudsey

smg2013 wrote: »

my trooper is terminal at this stage , he prob has a month to live , i wanted to get a van,(berlingo) type, iv a 12by5 trailer, its prob to heavy for it though, would a 8by4 be ok for berlingo, or is there a better van i could get to pull a 12by 5, thanks off thread slighly but dont think it deserves a new one,

The small van with the highest towing capacity is a VW Caddy. At present they are rated at about 1.5 ton. I think some of the 2005-10 one were rated at 1.7 ton why I do not know. The Berlingo is rated at 1.1 ton. Legally you just about get away with the earlier Caddy with a couple of light cows or 4 weanlings in an 8X5 box. No point in towing anything bigger with it. They are rated towing wise as good as Vitara and some of the smaller 4WD.

smg2013

Farmer Pudsey wrote: »

The small van with the highest towing capacity is a VW Caddy. At present they are rated at about 1.5 ton. I think some of the 2005-10 one were rated at 1.7 ton why I do not know. The Berlingo is rated at 1.1 ton. Legally you just about get away with the earlier Caddy with a couple of light cows or 4 weanlings in an 8X5 box. No point in towing anything bigger with it. They are rated towing wise as good as Vitara and some of the smaller 4WD.

thats great thanks