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C-section.....vet

  • 10-05-2013 7:49pm
    #1
    crackcrack30
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    The old man had a difficult calving on a cow last week.....3rd calf for suckler cow with no issues calving before......he called the vet hoping that between the two of them they'd manage to sort her out for a pull but a new female vet arrived out and was looking for 'more' help and a stall suitable for a section without even having a proper examination.....

    The old mad resisted a bit giving her the cows's usual history ect....and finally managed to get a rope on for a successful pull...

    Don't get me wrong a live birth is a live birth and very greatfull for all of them regardless of method but are the vets going for the knife a bit too often??? with all the complications expence, infection ect....


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  • #2
    Bizzum
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    crackcrack30 wrote: »
    The old man had a difficult calving on a cow last week.....3rd calf for suckler cow with no issues calving before......he called the vet hoping that between the two of them they'd manage to sort her out for a pull but a new female vet arrived out and was looking for 'more' help and a stall suitable for a section without even having a proper examination.....

    The old mad resisted a bit giving her the cows's usual history ect....and finally managed to get a rope on for a successful pull...

    Don't get me wrong a live birth is a live birth and very greatfull for all of them regardless of method but are the vets going for the knife a bit too often??? with all the complications expence, infection ect....

    Where was the calving jack when all this was going on?


  • #3
    crackcrack30
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    Bizzum wrote: »
    Where was the calving jack when all this was going on?

    If all births were just that simple......


  • #4
    whelan1
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    had vet out today to a mixture of things, cows not in heat, wash outs, sick calf, blood a cow etc... told them all this when i rang in 2 days ago to book it.... she handled the first cow, she needed a cidr and she said i dont think i have any:eek: she found some but didnt have the thing for putting them in....my da said vets today are way different from years ago and they should have a practical exam before they get accepted in to veternary college


  • #5
    adne
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    whelan1 wrote: »
    had vet out today to a mixture of things, cows not in heat, wash outs, sick calf, blood a cow etc... told them all this when i rang in 2 days ago to book it.... she handled the first cow, she needed a cidr and she said i dont think i have any:eek: she found some but didnt have the thing for putting them in....my da said vets today are way different from years ago and they should have a practical exam before they get accepted in to veternary college

    Theory and practise dont always go hand n hand


  • #6
    whelan1
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    adne wrote: »
    Theory and practise dont always go hand n hand
    yup, as the points have gone up i think those who really want to do veternary cant get in which is unfortunate


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  • #7
    mf240
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    look at it from the vets point of view if he says it will come out and it doesnt youll know its a mistake, but if he says you need a section youll never know for sure whether ye would of got it out the back.


  • #8
    dar31
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    whelan1 wrote: »
    had vet out today to a mixture of things, cows not in heat, wash outs, sick calf, blood a cow etc... told them all this when i rang in 2 days ago to book it.... she handled the first cow, she needed a cidr and she said i dont think i have any:eek: she found some but didnt have the thing for putting them in....my da said vets today are way different from years ago and they should have a practical exam before they get accepted in to veternary college

    we have a lot of students from ucd out on the farm for their reproductive training, the most of them are useless at handling stock, had final years out last month and one of them had to be taken aside and shown how to give a shot of estrimate, embarrassing to watch trying to jab the cow.
    its a rare occasion that one can help with getting cows into locking barriers, and they are usually farmers sons/daughters.
    the ones that choose to do reproduction as an elective are a pleasure to work with


  • #9
    dar31
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    mf240 wrote: »
    look at it from the vets point of view if he says it will come out and it doesnt youll know its a mistake, but if he says you need a section youll never know for sure whether ye would of got it out the back.

    exactly, if they choose to use the back door, and the cow was broke up after, they would get slated for not going with a section.

    bloody farmers there is no pleasing them;)


  • #10
    Bizzum
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    crackcrack30 wrote: »
    If all births were just that simple......

    Nothing simple about some of the calvings I'd to do with a jack.

    I've a fair idea when I handle a cow if the calf is gonna fit out. If I'm not sure I'd know fairly quick after I try the jack.

    How did you calve the cow in the end?


  • #11
    badshot
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    crackcrack30 wrote: »
    The old man had a difficult calving on a cow last week.....3rd calf for suckler cow with no issues calving before......he called the vet hoping that between the two of them they'd manage to sort her out for a pull but a new FEMALE VET arrived out and was looking for 'more' help and a stall suitable for a section without even having a proper examination.....

    The old mad resisted a bit giving her the cows's usual history ect....and finally managed to get a rope on for a successful pull...

    Don't get me wrong a live birth is a live birth and very greatfull for all of them regardless of method but are the vets going for the knife a bit too often??? with all the complications expence, infection ect....

    an awful thing to let those females become vets
    sure everyone knows its a mans job
    what do you think Dougal


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  • #12
    whelan1
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    badshot wrote: »
    an awful thing to let those females become vets
    sure everyone knows its a mans job
    what do you think Dougal
    i dont care if the vet is male oe female as long as they are up to the job, 90 minutes to dehorn 2 animals is a bit excessive imo..... seriously there have been times when i felt taking over from the vet when they couldnt get the vein on an animal etc, this should be easily done by them, they are being paid and are qualified they should be able to do the job


  • #13
    rancher
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    crackcrack30 wrote: »
    The old man had a difficult calving on a cow last week.....3rd calf for suckler cow with no issues calving before......he called the vet hoping that between the two of them they'd manage to sort her out for a pull but a new female vet arrived out and was looking for 'more' help and a stall suitable for a section without even having a proper examination.....

    The old mad resisted a bit giving her the cows's usual history ect....and finally managed to get a rope on for a successful pull...

    Don't get me wrong a live birth is a live birth and very greatfull for all of them regardless of method but are the vets going for the knife a bit too often??? with all the complications expence, infection ect....

    Why would you get a vet if you're able to calve them the normal way, I'd always insist on c section when I'd have to get the vet


  • #14
    whelan1
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    rancher wrote: »
    Why would you get a vet if you're able to calve them the normal way, I'd always insist on c section when I'd have to get the vet
    well i for one know straight away if a calving is beyond me, havent had a section-on a cow:D- here in years , touch wood... but normally you would know on handling if there is going to be a problem , fine the calf came out the normal way in the op's case but what would have happened if it got stuck at the hips or if the cow tore etc


  • #15
    rancher
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    whelan1 wrote: »
    well i for one know straight away if a calving is beyond me, havent had a section-on a cow:D- here in years , touch wood... but normally you would know on handling if there is going to be a problem , fine the calf came out the normal way in the op's case but what would have happened if it got stuck at the hips or if the cow tore etc
    When I started sucklers and failed at a calving, I found that it would usually end badly if the vet insisted on pulling, so I always insisted on a c.section......it would probably only cost €100 more than the visit to ensure a good outcome..cheap compared with a dead calf or a downer cow or maybe both.
    Like the op, the vet would come to me and expect to go straight to c.sect


  • #16
    pakalasa
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    Is it not standard practice to examine the cow first to see if a pull is still on.
    Crackcrack30, you're in Clare aren't you? If it's the same vet I'm thinking off, she's top notch when it comes to c-sections.


  • #17
    Massey10
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    badshot wrote: »
    an awful thing to let those females become vets
    sure everyone knows its a mans job
    what do you think Dougal
    When not many of them want to do farm work maybe it will be a problem.They do also need to section more cows because they are unable to turn a large calf in a large cow.


  • #18
    moy83
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    crackcrack30 wrote: »
    The old man had a difficult calving on a cow last week.....3rd calf for suckler cow with no issues calving before......he called the vet hoping that between the two of them they'd manage to sort her out for a pull but a new female vet arrived out and was looking for 'more' help and a stall suitable for a section without even having a proper examination.....

    The old mad resisted a bit giving her the cows's usual history ect....and finally managed to get a rope on for a successful pull...

    Don't get me wrong a live birth is a live birth and very greatfull for all of them regardless of method but are the vets going for the knife a bit too often??? with all the complications expence, infection ect....

    How do you mean she didnt do a proper examination ?
    Was the cow quiet ? I wouldnt blame a vet for wanting to have a cow restrained weather its for a section or a rope job .
    Our vet would have a good root around and might put on the jack aswell to see what kind resistance is there before he makes the call between a section or pulling . If we have to get him out for a calving its more than likely going to be a section


  • #19
    crackcrack30
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    moy83 wrote: »
    How do you mean she didnt do a proper examination ?
    Was the cow quiet ? I wouldnt blame a vet for wanting to have a cow restrained weather its for a section or a rope job .
    Our vet would have a good root around and might put on the jack aswell to see what kind resistance is there before he makes the call between a section or pulling . If we have to get him out for a calving its more than likely going to be a section

    Exactly, I'm not judeing and if you read my first post i'm asking a question, I think the father was spoilt with his last vet (since retired) who would take his time and weigh things up a bit.........rather than arriving in with the knife in their hand ....I can only remember a handful of sections in many years ......... it takes a while to gain someones thrust I guess .................Thanks for all replys, & i'll have a chat with the auld lad.


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