Australia bans live exports to Egypt

blue5000

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2013-05-06/footage-of-egyptian-cattle-cruelty-emerges/4672890

This is bad, should we really be exporting cattle to these savages?

moy83

I didnt watch the video because I cant stomach that kind of sh1te . There is no way cruelty like that has any place in an abbatoir or anywhere. Killing cattle is hard enough without adding cruelty like that , surely it just slows the whole process down and adds further stress to man and beast

bob charles

It's what the world has to be thankful too for halal slaughter. truly barbaric way of killing an animal

roosterman71

Disgusting, despicable b@st@rds

At least here its done someway humanely (if killing something can be done humanely). This video is shocking.

Still though, should we expect differently? Human life is cheap in that part of the world, so what hope have animals?

jack77

thats unbelievable, the poor animal, couldnt watch the whole thing it was stomach turning

quadboy

Shouldn't we be worried about the bulls we sent to Libya and theres another boat going shortly

morton

So bad......

oxjkqg

dirty b******s. For a man who cares for and looks after his animals like family to see that. makes me wana kick 50 shades a **** out of the pricks who did that

Manoffeeling

jack77 wrote: »

thats unbelievable, the poor animal, couldnt watch the whole thing it was stomach turning

Our Chinese friends are way, way worse. Some dirty bastards over there


http://www.google.ie/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=youtube%20chinese%20eating%20live%20fish&source=web&cd=1&ved=0CDMQtwIwAA&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.youtube.com%2Fwatch%3Fv%3DE--Tm5oAImA&ei=x4WJUZLtEoWN7QaNiYGoBQ&usg=AFQjCNGdB7EtpSNYvUSW66PNcfiPNoWkug&sig2=vvOPgWcvtDHdS32AXDtOMg&bvm=bv.46226182,d.ZGU

pakalasa

Is this down to Halal or just gross incompetence? Temple Grandin should pay them a visit. It does ask serious questions for Ireland though, when we export so much live to less developed countries.

I was in a restauraunt once where a guy was eating live fish. He was there with his young family.

Suckler

It's easy for the developed world to point the finger of blame at those poorer and lacking education. It's just a different culture, some of our practices may well be seen as inhumane by others but we continue all the same.

Manoffeeling

Suckler wrote: »

some of our practices.

Examples please.

JohnBoy

Didnt watch the video, sounds horrific, but one thing i've often wondered about is this practice of electric stunning of livestock before slaughter.


Has anyone ever asked an animal if the stunning stops the animal feeling the pain/trauma? or does it just stop the animal from displaying the pain/trauma?

Suckler

Manoffeeling wrote: »

Examples please.

Production and Consumption of foie gras.
Bull nose ring and chaining.
Consumption of pork an pork products.
Factory style feed lots and cattle branding.
Badgers and foxes being mutilated by arranged hunts.
Battery chicken houses.

Different cultures consume different food in different manners. Have a look at "Balut" considered a far eastern delicacy.

Manoffeeling

Suckler wrote: »

Production and Consumption of foie gras.
Bull nose ring and chaining.
Consumption of pork an pork products.
Factory style feed lots and cattle branding.
Badgers and foxes being mutilated by arranged hunts.
Battery chicken houses.

Different cultures consume different food in different manners. Have a look at "Balut" considered a far eastern delicacy.

I cannot understand how the french method of producing foie gras is still in practise. The Spanish have a more 'tolerable' way I believe.

Galvium Irredentum

What about the women who get a cut on the underside of their breast tissue; and have a foreign blob inserted just to look good!? you don't have to go too far to see ****ed up..

Galvium Irredentum

Or the millions of needless human abortion terminations carried out every day... not too far indeed...

Galvium Irredentum

perhaps 75,000 in oz per year

taytothief

Nice to see Australia stop exporting to them.

Borderfox

The are just as bad to the people in the country never mind the animals exported for slaughter.


http://www.hrw.org/middle-eastn-africa/egypt

mahoney_j

As a farmer that makes for fairly horrific viewing,how anyone could stay doing that to an animal with a broken leg is beyond me,I hope the funker that did that has a long slow painfully death,at least in this country the vast majority of cattle are killed humanely and have a quick,short and mostly painless death

Suckler

mahoney_j wrote: »

As a farmer that makes for fairly horrific viewing,how anyone could stay doing that to an animal with a broken leg is beyond me,I hope the funker that did that has a long slow painfully death,at least in this country the vast majority of cattle are killed humanely and have a quick,short and mostly painless death

It's the reality of living in an undeveloped world, they need to eat as well.

My family home slaughtered animals for generations, it wouldn't have been an easy job but should they have suffered a "Slow Painful Death" ?

Massey10

mahoney_j wrote: »

As a farmer that makes for fairly horrific viewing,how anyone could stay doing that to an animal with a broken leg is beyond me,I hope the funker that did that has a long slow painfully death,at least in this country the vast majority of cattle are killed humanely and have a quick,short and mostly painless death

What about the pig farmer here a few years back who was made by the dept. to kill hundreds of his own pigs himself at his farm ended up using a lump hammer .The dept. vets looked on while all this was going on.

Damo810

Massey10 wrote: »

What about the pig farmer here a few years back who was made by the dept. to kill hundreds of his own pigs himself at his farm ended up using a lump hammer .The dept. vets looked on while all this was going on.

That's how plenty of the pigs were slaughtered years ago, not condoning it, but it happened..

mahoney_j

Suckler wrote: »

It's the reality of living in an undeveloped world, they need to eat as well.

My family home slaughtered animals for generations, it wouldn't have been an easy job but should they have suffered a "Slow Painful Death" ?

How anyone wether in a developed or undeveloped country can justify doing that to an already suffering animal with a broken leg is beyond me.if they were so hungry why didn't they just put the animal up a crush and put a bullet to its head????? Instead he takes pleasure in jabbing a knife at a defenceless animal till it could take no more.

Suckler

mahoney_j wrote: »

How anyone wether in a developed or undeveloped country can justify doing that to an already suffering animal with a broken leg is beyond me.if they were so hungry why didn't they just put the animal up a crush and put a bullet to its head????? Instead he takes pleasure in jabbing a knife at a defenceless animal till it could take no more.

Crushes and bullets cost money. Money they don't have. Money the consumers there don't have if the price of meat goes up along with the costs of slaughter.

kowtow

Suckler wrote: »

Crushes and bullets cost money. Money they don't have.

They find plenty of money for bullets when they need them to make a point...

In many cultures ritual slaughter is carried out - at Festival time at least - by the male of the household, despite the fact that he may be a city dweller and have no other contact with livestock.

Living in Africa years ago one of the strangest excuses (and there were many) I was given by a young graduate employee for a morning off work was having to slaughter a bull... he was petrified, as it happens.

Sam Kade

Massey10 wrote: »

What about the pig farmer here a few years back who was made by the dept. to kill hundreds of his own pigs himself at his farm ended up using a lump hammer .The dept. vets looked on while all this was going on.

Why did they make him kill his own pigs?

Massey10

Sam Kade wrote: »

Why did they make him kill his own pigs?

Some withdrawn drug was found on his farm .

Sam Kade

Massey10 wrote: »

Some withdrawn drug was found on his farm .

the punishment sounds like something from the penal times.

road_high

As a farmers son I'm not at all one for jumping on the animal cruelty bandwagon or such hysteria but I honestly couldn't watch that video after about 20 secs into it...disgusting way to treat another creature.

Massey10

Sam Kade wrote: »

the punishment sounds like something from the penal times.

special investigations unit of the dept. have the all powers when it comes to farmers

mf240

Massey10 wrote: »

special investigations unit of the dept. have the all powers when it comes to farmers

Ah come on now this is farcical.

How could they force him to do that. I know what id do with the lump hammer if they pushed me to far.:(

bob charles

mf240 wrote: »

Ah come on now this is farcical.

How could they force him to do that. I know what id do with the lump hammer if they pushed me to far.:(

What happened was they restriction order was placed on his herd of pigs and after 2 months nothing had being done by the Dept of Ag and the farmer could no longer afford to keep feeding the 1500 pigs. The Dept dragged their feet on what they were going to do and eventually left a on farm slaughter go ahead using a bolt gun to kill them.

Massey10

bob charles wrote: »

What happened was they restriction order was placed on his herd of pigs and after 2 months nothing had being done by the Dept of Ag and the farmer could no longer afford to keep feeding the 1500 pigs. The Dept dragged their feet on what they were going to do and eventually left a on farm slaughter go ahead using a bolt gun to kill them.

2 bolt guns broke on him he ended up using a hammer .He was the one who got someone to record what he had to do with dept. looking on .

leg wax

and all it will take is a video of irish cattle up on the news flopping around in their own blood to stop the irish shipping,and i think it will happen,irish cattle will be treated the same,look if they hang behead or cut off limbs off their own people, what do you think,that they will worry about a animal.

locky76

Needless suffering. Shocking but what anout ourselves?? Exporting to Lybia is very much the same. The Animal rights gang had a national protest outside Government buildings last April.

CIWF (Compassion in World Farming) worth looking at if you do have a conscience re animal welfare..

Massey10

locky76 wrote: »

Needless suffering. Shocking but what anout ourselves?? Exporting to Lybia is very much the same. The Animal rights gang had a national protest outside Government buildings last April.

CIWF (Compassion in World Farming) worth looking at if you do have a conscience re animal welfare..

arent they against nearly all farming of animals

blue5000

leg wax wrote: »

and all it will take is a video of irish cattle up on the news flopping around in their own blood to stop the irish shipping,and i think it will happen,irish cattle will be treated the same,look if they hang behead or cut off limbs off their own people, what do you think,that they will worry about a animal.

Legs you have hit the nail on the head. Two years ago something similiar happened with Australian cattle in Indonesia. They banned exporting there. Now N Australia has a drought, they have 100,000 cattle that they don't know what to do with. One sugggestion was for the Government to buy up all the cattle and GIVE them to Indonesia as free food aid.
http://www.bangkokpost.com/breakingnews/348805/australian-farmers-call-on-government-to-donate-100000-cattle-to-indonesia

locky76

Massey10 wrote: »

arent they against nearly all farming of animals

No, in fairness their aim is farm animals to be treated humanely while living and being slaughtered... Worth looking at for a bit of food for thought..

http://www.ciwf.ie/farminfo/farmfacts_liveanimals.html

keep going

in fairness i dont what those egits are doing on that video,back in the day when i worked for a pig farmer we used to "stick" a pig every now and again and it was a very simple operation