Renting a house for a wedding?

PJ4

Has anyone ever rented a house for a wedding?
We want to have the wedding reception in a large garden somewhere in Dublin, we live in an apartment and don't have access to a private garden.

Dolbert

I could be wrong, but I think a wedding has to take place in a public building and it can't be a private residence - unless you are talking about the reception?

sweetie

We rented lisnavagh house in 08 and put up a marquee. ballybeg and tinakilly are others that are similar. Beaufield mews is only one that springs to mind in Dublin but garden is small.

+1 for Ballybeg, worth a look. They've just completed some more rooms on site too.

Gatica

those are very expensive though compared to the OP's suggestion to just rent a house with a garden. Ballybeg does look fantastic. There's also Tattersalls country house in Meath. No accommodation on site though.

Maybe try daft.ie and see if there's a house for rent in the area that's suitable and if the landlord would be interested in making a few bob? I imagine if you're planning ahead of time though that may not work, unless it's last minute.

I'd say if you have a humanist wedding you may very well be able to have it in a private house.

pwurple

You can have a reception there, but not the marriage ceremony. A civil ceremony has to be somewhere where the public has access. Marriage is a public contract.

You could do the marriage somewhere else though, and then have the wedding in the garden. How about any of the public parks, would they suit?

Gatica

yes, if you want to go with proper "civil".
Humanist ceremonies are not controlled by the HSE so you can marry where you like as long as the solemniser agrees. Same goes for Spiritualist Union or Unitarian Church. Humanists should be legally able to do ceremonies by the summer, keep an eye on their website.

tatli_lokma

Gatica wrote: »

yes, if you want to go with proper "civil".
Humanist ceremonies are not controlled by the HSE so you can marry where you like as long as the solemniser agrees. Same goes for Spiritualist Union or Unitarian Church. Humanists should be legally able to do ceremonies by the summer, keep an eye on their website.

I don't think this is correct. I am sure you can have any sort of ceremony with any sort of celebrant in any sort of place as long as you don't want it to be legal. If you want it to be legal then it has to fall under the rules which apply to a civil marriage and one of those rules is that it be indoor in a building open to the public. Even a church wedding must comply with the civil rules in that regard. Most spiritualist/unitarian ceremonies also provide the civil element. I do know of one couple who wished to 'get married' out doors, they had a spititualist solemniser. They had the public, outdoor bit first, and then went inside into a room in the hotel and did the legal part, with just them, the celebrant and the witnesses, as it had to be indoors in order to be legal.

PJ4

Just to clear up the confusion we got married in February in Chile which was wonderful, and are looking to rent a house for 3-4 days somewhere in Dublin to celebrate our marriage with friends and family (30-40 guests). We have a small budget and like the idea of renting a house with a large garden (either a holiday home or a large detached house). We have decided on the idea to rent a house to have access to the garden, kitchen and toilet facilities.

Gatica

Little Ted wrote: »

I don't think this is correct. I am sure you can have any sort of ceremony with any sort of celebrant in any sort of place as long as you don't want it to be legal.

You might not think it is correct, but that is the case. Only weddings performed by the HSE, which are usually called civil ceremonies, must comply with the legalities of public place, indoors (4 walls and a roof, which excludes marquees) and approved ahead of time by the registrar.

Little Ted wrote: »

If you want it to be legal then it has to fall under the rules which apply to a civil marriage and one of those rules is that it be indoor in a building open to the public.

This is true and correct of civil weddings only.

Little Ted wrote: »

Even a church wedding must comply with the civil rules in that regard. Most spiritualist/unitarian ceremonies also provide the civil element. I do know of one couple who wished to 'get married' out doors, they had a spititualist solemniser. They had the public, outdoor bit first, and then went inside into a room in the hotel and did the legal part, with just them, the celebrant and the witnesses, as it had to be indoors in order to be legal.

I do not know what is involved in the church weddings, they probably have their own rules in addition to the legal requirements. I do not know what sort of celebrant the couple of who you talk of had.
However, Tom Colton and Mary Losty of the Spiritualist Union (the only 2 legal solemnisers I know of in the Spiritualist Union) can perform the ceremony at a location of your choosing and they're not bound by the requirements of the HSE's civil ceremonies. The place does not have to be approved by them ahead of time as in the case of civil ceremonies, etc...

Basically, you can have a legal ceremony anywhere as long as the solemniser, or the person performing the marriage, is legally capable of doing so (their name should be on the list of registrars/solemnisers held by the HSE, even priests have to be on it) and asks 2 legally required questions: is there any impediment to your marriage? Do you take each-other as husband and wife?

We got married by Tom Colton. We had an outdoor ceremony, kind of on the lawn. It was the legal whole ceremony, and we didn't have to go anywhere else indoors or otherwise to sign the marriage cert. We signed and our witnesses signed right there and Tom Colton announced us husband and wife. That was that. No other bits...

PJ4 wrote: »

Just to clear up the confusion we got married in February in Chile which was wonderful, and are looking to rent a house for 3-4 days somewhere in Dublin to celebrate our marriage with friends and family (30-40 guests). We have a small budget and like the idea of renting a house with a large garden (either a holiday home or a large detached house). We have decided on the idea to rent a house to have access to the garden, kitchen and toilet facilities.

cool, then you should have less issues around ceremony etc...
Hope you find a suitable house if the suggested venues work out too pricey.

tatli_lokma

have a look on myhome.ie - they have listings for holiday homes
http://www.myhome.ie/holiday-homes/dublin/property-to-rent

tatli_lokma

Gatica wrote: »

You might not think it is correct, but that is the case. Only weddings performed by the HSE, which are usually called civil ceremonies, must comply with the legalities of public place, indoors (4 walls and a roof, which excludes marquees) and approved ahead of time by the registrar.



This is true and correct of civil weddings only.



I do not know what is involved in the church weddings, they probably have their own rules in addition to the legal requirements. I do not know what sort of celebrant the couple of who you talk of had.
However, Tom Colton and Mary Losty of the Spiritualist Union (the only 2 legal solemnisers I know of in the Spiritualist Union) can perform the ceremony at a location of your choosing and they're not bound by the requirements of the HSE's civil ceremonies. The place does not have to be approved by them ahead of time as in the case of civil ceremonies, etc...

Basically, you can have a legal ceremony anywhere as long as the solemniser, or the person performing the marriage, is legally capable of doing so (their name should be on the list of registrars/solemnisers held by the HSE, even priests have to be on it) and asks 2 legally required questions: is there any impediment to your marriage? Do you take each-other as husband and wife?

We got married by Tom Colton. We had an outdoor ceremony, kind of on the lawn. It was the legal whole ceremony, and we didn't have to go anywhere else indoors or otherwise to sign the marriage cert. We signed and our witnesses signed right there and Tom Colton announced us husband and wife. That was that. No other bits...



cool, then you should have less issues around ceremony etc...
Hope you find a suitable house if the suggested venues work out too pricey.

PErhaps you are right about the outdoors stipulation, but when we enquired with the GRO we were told all marriages (regardless of who solemnises them) must adhere to the same rules.

This is definitely true regarding the 'open to the public' element for definite, whatever about the outdoors requirement

groireland.ie wrote:

All marriages, civil, religious and secular, must take place at venues which are open to the public.

http://www.groireland.ie/getting_married.htm#section2

So indoors or outdoors, it must be open to the public.

I know this is not relevant for what OP has in mind, but I just thought it might be useful for someone else getting married thinking of a private house for the ceremony.

ETA - there are actually 5 spiritualist solemnisers listed with the HSE as approved solemnisers.

pwurple

PJ4 wrote: »

Just to clear up the confusion we got married in February in Chile which was wonderful, and are looking to rent a house for 3-4 days somewhere in Dublin to celebrate our marriage with friends and family (30-40 guests). We have a small budget and like the idea of renting a house with a large garden (either a holiday home or a large detached house). We have decided on the idea to rent a house to have access to the garden, kitchen and toilet facilities.

So it's a holiday rental you are looking for so, with a garden or room for a party? And you don't need the guests to be able to stay.

If you google holiday rentals you should be able to find a lot of them.

The irish landmark trust does some lovely unusual properties available for holiday rental. Very reasonable usually... 3 nights for 400 euro, that kind of thing.

http://www.irishlandmark.com/property-listings/Gate-House-at-Castletown.aspx

Here's a regular rental in malahide, but holiday homes often want a week as a minimum stay. This one is 1000 per week.
http://www.ownersdirect.co.uk/morephotos.asp?property_id=118872

Gatica

Little Ted wrote: »

PErhaps you are right about the outdoors stipulation, but when we enquired with the GRO we were told all marriages (regardless of who solemnises them) must adhere to the same rules.

This is definitely true regarding the 'open to the public' element for definite, whatever about the outdoors requirement

http://www.groireland.ie/getting_married.htm#section2

So indoors or outdoors, it must be open to the public.

I know this is not relevant for what OP has in mind, but I just thought it might be useful for someone else getting married thinking of a private house for the ceremony.

ETA - there are actually 5 spiritualist solemnisers listed with the HSE as approved solemnisers.

Thanks for the explanation. I didn't know that the public place applied to religious as well. Glad the SU has added more solemnisers, there's been people on the forums looking for their services but they were sometimes booked out.

clint_silver

just found this, may be of use if its the upper end youre looking at: http://www.formerglory.ie/weddingvenues.html


although why youd want to hire anywhere that couldnt store 55000 bottles of wine is beyond me.

http://www.formerglory.ie/property-castle-oliver.html

PJ4

pwurple wrote: »

So it's a holiday rental you are looking for so, with a garden or room for a party? And you don't need the guests to be able to stay.

If you google holiday rentals you should be able to find a lot of them.

The irish landmark trust does some lovely unusual properties available for holiday rental. Very reasonable usually... 3 nights for 400 euro, that kind of thing.

http://www.irishlandmark.com/property-listings/Gate-House-at-Castletown.aspx

Here's a regular rental in malahide, but holiday homes often want a week as a minimum stay. This one is 1000 per week.
http://www.ownersdirect.co.uk/morephotos.asp?property_id=118872

Thank you, this is the kind of thing we were looking for. More suggestions along these lines please.