whats the difference between these two roundups?

NewBeefFarmer

http://www.magentadirect.ie/proddetail.php?prod=ROUNDUP5L&cat=15
€30
&

https://www.agridirect.ie/p/roundup_biactive_
€50

im sparying yards etc. . . .

last year i used the Biactive, but i see another type also, €20 less . ..

whats the difference between the two?

and more so, will the cheaper one kill everything?

what do you use?.. . . and how much is 5ltrs of it?

Farmer Pudsey

In Roundup Biactive there is an activator and some ammonia so that it works better at low temperatures. At this stage og the year ordinary roundup is all you need.

Remember however that there are generic forms od roundup that are nearly half the price. Gallup is the most common along with rosetta and other brands. Most co-op, merchants stock both. Buying Roundup in 5L quanties is very expensive can be 2-3 times the price of generic 20L packs. You should be able to buy Generic Gyyphosate for about for 100 euro and I have seen it for 80 euro that is 2/litre rather than 6/L in a 5L roundup can.

nilhg

The old style cheap roundup has problems if used with hard water,some sort of conditioner is needed for top performance unless you have access to soft water, the biactive looks better value if that's the case.


http://www.monsanto-ag.co.uk/content.output/87/87/Roundup/Best%20Practice/Water%20Quality.mspx

Farmer Pudsey

nilhg wrote: »

The old style cheap roundup has problems if used with hard water,some sort of conditioner is needed for top performance unless you have access to soft water, the biactive looks better value if that's the case.


http://www.monsanto-ag.co.uk/content.output/87/87/Roundup/Best%20Practice/Water%20Quality.mspx

If you price generic against biactive you could use nearly twice as much. Like i posted earlier an activator it costs about 15/litre and you use 100mls/100litres of water and some amonia. However if you increase a generic even by 50% it still works cheaper. I always use an activator. At 60 litres of water/acre it adds about 1 euro/acre to the cost. If i had amonia on hand I would use as well.
The total cost would be for 2L Gyso/acre at 5/Acre. Biactive is around 150/20L so at 2L/acre it costs 15/acre. Usuall the minimum you are killing off is 5 acres. 25 yoyo as opposed to 75.

50 euro is not bad for a bit of using your noodle.

Remember Monsanto is trying to milk a product thst is now off licience so they created a new licience using old products.

nilhg

Farmer Pudsey wrote: »

If you price generic against biactive you could use nearly twice as much. Like i posted earlier an activator it costs about 15/litre and you use 100mls/100litres of water and some amonia. However if you increase a generic even by 50% it still works cheaper. I always use an activator. At 60 litres of water/acre it adds about 1 euro/acre to the cost. If i had amonia on hand I would use as well.
The total cost would be for 2L Gyso/acre at 5/Acre. Biactive is around 150/20L so at 2L/acre it costs 15/acre. Usuall the minimum you are killing off is 5 acres. 25 yoyo as opposed to 75.

50 euro is not bad for a bit of using your noodle.

Remember Monsanto is trying to milk a product thst is now off licience so they created a new licience using old products.

Don't disagree with anything you said there (except your prices are a bit high, but I tend to buy 100+ lt at a time through a purchasing group), just putting out the info, you'd be surprised how many people don't know/aren't told about the hard water issue.

We catch all the roof water in a big tank so I usually have plenty of soft water

Muckit

Do you have problems with dirt or do you filter the soft water?

NewBeefFarmer

i dont have problems with water, i wouldnt be using hard water. ..

eddiek

how much round up biactive per 60 litres of water should be used in a rush licker?

nilhg

Muckit wrote: »

Do you have problems with dirt or do you filter the soft water?

We have a big old mass concrete tank, water is piped from the roof gutters using sewer pipe and enters the tank through a manhole which has a grid on it, that caatches all the big stuff. The filler pipe has a basket filter on the end and we hang that well above the floor of the tank, the sprayer filters take care of the rest.

Every 5 years or so we empty it and clean out the bottom of the tank.

JohnBoy

Interesting about the hard water.

I've used both normal gallup and roundup biactive in the past, and had found the biactive to be far better, I wonder was it the water issue.

I saw this year for the first time that gallup have a similar offering, gallup biograde. I used it recently and was very happy with the kill.