can you drive a double axle with a provisional eb?

GERMAN ROCKS

what is the law regarding driving a double axle trailer with a provisional eb license but with a full car license?

Mycroft H

Is the maximum permissible weight of the trailer less than the gross weight of the Towing vehicle? And is the combined weight of the two less than 3500kg?

If yes to both, you can tow it on a normal B licence. If no, you need someone with a full EB licence as an accompanying driver at the time.

CiniO

BX 19 wrote: »

Is the maximum permissible weight of the trailer less than the gross unladen weight of the Towing vehicle? And is the combined weight of the two less than 3500kg?

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CiniO

GERMAN ROCKS wrote: »

what is the law regarding driving a double axle trailer with a provisional eb license but with a full car license?

Amount of axles is completely irrelevant.

As BX19 said.
If your trailer gross weight is greater than unladen weight of towing vehicle or combination of gross weights of both (trailer + towing vehicle) greater than 3500kg, then you need either full BE licence, or driving permit for BE + person holding full BE licence accompaning you.

Mycroft H

CiniO wrote: »

Amount of axles is completely irrelevant.

As BX19 said.
If your trailer gross weight is greater than unladen weight of towing vehicle or combination of gross weights of both (trailer + towing vehicle) greater than 3500kg, then you need either full BE licence, or driving permit for BE + person holding full BE licence accompaning you.

Aye, you're right :pac:

I saw an advertisement for EB ADI lessons in a equestrain center today

"Did you know you need an EB licence to tow a double axle trailer?"

Seems the ADIs don't even know what's the law. Or they're scaring people into lessons....

GERMAN ROCKS

CiniO wrote: »

Amount of axles is completely irrelevant.

As BX19 said.
If your trailer gross weight is greater than unladen weight of towing vehicle or combination of gross weights of both (trailer + towing vehicle) greater than 3500kg, then you need either full BE licence, or driving permit for BE + person holding full BE licence accompaning you.

its under all them but im fairly sure that because it is twin axel that I need a full eb licence to drive it on my own? or have ye proof that one can drive a twin axle on a normal licence if under all these weights?

Mycroft H

GERMAN ROCKS wrote: »

its under all them but im fairly sure that because it is twin axel that I need a full eb licence to drive it on my own? or have ye proof that one can drive a twin axle on a normal licence if under all these weights?

http://www.rsa.ie/en/RSA/Your-Vehicle/About-your-Vehicle/Example-of-non-Dup/Trailers-/Technical-Trailer-Requirements-/

Axles have nothing to do with it, it's a myth. See section O2.

CiniO

GERMAN ROCKS wrote: »

its under all them

Out of curiousity what vehicle will you be using for towing?

GERMAN ROCKS

CiniO wrote: »

Out of curiousity what vehicle will you be using for towing?

a4 1.9tdi. only want to tow an 8x4 with a ride on lawnmower in it.

CiniO

GERMAN ROCKS wrote: »

a4 1.9tdi. only want to tow an 8x4 with a ride on lawnmower in it.

Assuming that's between 00 - 06 model, their unladen weight is most likely below 1400kg.

It's quite unlikely you will find double axle trailer with gross weight less than 1400.

randy hickey

CiniO wrote: »

Assuming that's between 00 - 06 model, their unladen weight is most likely below 1400kg.

It's quite unlikely you will find double axle trailer with gross weight less than 1400.

Would something like this not work for him then?

http://www.westwoodtrailers.com/shopping_admin/product_details/product.cgi?product=GD84G&cat=NEW%20TRAILERS&sub=General%20Duty

CiniO

randy hickey wrote: »

Would something like this not work for him then?

http://www.westwoodtrailers.com/shopping_admin/product_details/product.cgi?product=GD84G&cat=NEW%20TRAILERS&sub=General%20Duty

This trailer is 1400kg GVW.
If car unladen weight is less than 1400kg, then you can't legally tow this trailer with that car holding only B licence, even if trailer is empty.,

randy hickey

Well then, what about this 7x4 single axle with a gross laden weight of 750Kg?
http://www.mrtrailers.ie/products/trailer_range/general_duty_trailers

Can be towed on a B licence by a B7 A4 1.9TDI with a Kerb Weight of 1390Kg.

Just depends on how heavy your tractor mower is OP!

randy hickey

It's the ninth one down on that link btw!

GERMAN ROCKS

http://www.murphytrailers.ie/general82-42.asp
this is the trailer in question. im a bit confused. we will say that the carstowing weight is 1400kg. The trailer surely weights no more than a tonne? I don't have the exact figure of it. I suppose I could ring the company Tuesday. Lawnmower is only a 36inch one so 300kg at most?

dougie-lampkin

It's the design gross weight of the trailer you need to know, not the physical weight of it as it stands. This is usually stamped onto a plate by the hitch or on the body of it. You'd be doing well to find a double axle with a dgvw less than 1,400 kg. There's no figures on the Murphy's site, but a similar Ifor Williams trailer has a dgvw of 2,700 kg, which can't be towed on a B licence.

You might be better off with a single axle trailer, it would be perfectly fine for a lawnmower. I tow a single axle transporter on a B licence

E: There's a single axle trailer that's also 8 x 4 on the Ifor site, which has a dgvw of 1,400 kg. You'd be fine towing this behind an A4.

GERMAN ROCKS

what is the story driving with a provisional eb license then. You can drive insured but your supposed to have a fully licensed driver with you?

CiniO

GERMAN ROCKS wrote: »

what is the story driving with a provisional eb license then. You can drive insured but your supposed to have a fully licensed driver with you?

You are supposed to have a driver with you, who holds full BE category.

GERMAN ROCKS

CiniO wrote: »

You are supposed to have a driver with you, who holds full BE category.

are you supposed to have L plates up aswell

CiniO

GERMAN ROCKS wrote: »

are you supposed to have L plates up aswell

I suppose.