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2017 and Classic Reg Numbers.

  • 04-05-2013 5:20pm
    #1
    Closed Accounts Posts: 5,374 ✭✭✭


    Just wondering what will happen and what would folk like to happen with newly imported vintage vehicles applying for an Irish reg number in 2017.

    A ZV plate on a 1987 vehicle would be out of sinc with the then system. Also a standard import plate of today i.e. 87D120999 would also look out of place I think. Would it just look as well to take up from when the last 87 vehicle was registered in each respective county and go from there.

    Anyway , just wondering what people think.


Comments

  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,033 ✭✭✭Silvera


    I think the system should pick up from the last-issued 1987 registration.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,437 ✭✭✭kasper


    I think by 2107 the Germans will have completely taken over and we will be all using their reg system


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 17,733 ✭✭✭✭corktina


    i can't see why ZVs can't run alongside 87Dxxxxxx etc.....no difference to ZVs and 77Dxxxxxx etc surely that we have already


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 5,374 ✭✭✭Saab Ed


    corktina wrote: »
    i can't see why ZVs can't run alongside 87Dxxxxxx etc.....no difference to ZVs and 77Dxxxxxx etc surely that we have already

    But the point of ZVs is to look in time, to look original. That effect will be pointless on a car that's supposed to start with the numbers 87. Infact it would be completely counter intuitive.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,033 ✭✭✭Silvera


    Saab Ed wrote: »
    But the point of ZVs is to look in time, to look original. That effect will be pointless on a car that's supposed to start with the numbers 87. Infact it would be completely counter intuitive.

    Exactly.
    Obviously ZV's would still apply to pre-1987 vehicles (hopefully we will have a better 'Vintage Registration' system by then, i.e. not - ZV nnnnnn?!)


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,823 ✭✭✭✭galwaytt


    Don't get me started: I reg'd a '77 yoke last week, and was offered ZV or 77 G xx

    As I wanted short number, I picked the 77 G option...........and promptly got 77 G 16801. FFS.

    There is no way there are 16,800+ imported used '77 cars in Galway I pointed out, only to be told they changed the system and that '77 number series in Galway starts at...........16,800...............so I'm the second guy in !!

    Dumb, Dumb, Dumb, Dumb. And then some.

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  • Moderators, Motoring & Transport Moderators Posts: 2,957 Mod ✭✭✭✭macplaxton


    galwaytt wrote: »
    Don't get me started: I reg'd a '77 yoke last week, and was offered ZV or 77 G xx

    As I wanted short number, I picked the 77 G option...........and promptly got 77 G 16801. FFS.

    As a regular here, did you miss all those discussions about this??

    If you'd asked, I could have told you the new big number for Galway as I worked it out months back. It was one of the missing pieces initially, as it didn't quite follow the rule of thumb for the rest of the counties.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 5,429 ✭✭✭testicle


    Saab Ed wrote: »
    Just wondering what will happen and what would folk like to happen with newly imported vintage vehicles applying for an Irish reg number in 2017.

    A ZV plate on a 1987 vehicle would be out of sinc with the then system. Also a standard import plate of today i.e. 87D120999 would also look out of place I think. Would it just look as well to take up from when the last 87 vehicle was registered in each respective county and go from there.

    Anyway , just wondering what people think.

    The yyD120xxx has stopped since the 131/2 reg system kicked in.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 551 ✭✭✭trevorbrady


    testicle wrote: »
    The yyD120xxx has stopped since the 131/2 reg system kicked in.

    what was it replaced with??


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 17,733 ✭✭✭✭corktina


    i shall be re-reging an 87 in about a week, i was assuming i'd get a 87C40xxx.....is there some hope I'll get a lower number then? I'll be swapping it in 2017 for a ZV if I can!


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,033 ✭✭✭Silvera


    corktina wrote: »
    i shall be re-reging an 87 in about a week, i was assuming i'd get a 87C40xxx.....is there some hope I'll get a lower number then? I'll be swapping it in 2017 for a ZV if I can!

    Why would you want a 'ZV' on an '87 car?:confused:


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,318 ✭✭✭✭carchaeologist


    testicle wrote: »
    The yyD120xxx has stopped since the 131/2 reg system kicked in.

    I don't think so.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,318 ✭✭✭✭carchaeologist


    galwaytt wrote: »
    Don't get me started: I reg'd a '77 yoke last week, and was offered ZV or 77 G xx

    As I wanted short number, I picked the 77 G option...........and promptly got 77 G 16801. FFS.

    There is no way there are 16,800+ imported used '77 cars in Galway I pointed out, only to be told they changed the system and that '77 number series in Galway starts at...........16,800...............so I'm the second guy in !!

    Dumb, Dumb, Dumb, Dumb. And then some.

    Indeed it is.
    But most of the classic guys seem not to care.
    I know it's only a plate but the likes of 55D120010 is beyond stupid on a classic car. The high numbers are fine on modern stuff.
    It amazes me that no one in the IVVCCC is kicking up over it?
    The 5 number ZVs are not much better.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,033 ✭✭✭Silvera


    Indeed it is.
    But most of the classic guys seem not to care.
    I know it's only a plate but the likes of 55D120010 is beyond stupid on a classic car. The high numbers are fine on modern stuff.
    It amazes me that no one in the IVVCCC is kicking up over it?
    The 5 number ZVs are not much better.

    Agree 100%!!


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 17,733 ✭✭✭✭corktina


    Silvera wrote: »
    Why would you want a 'ZV' on an '87 car?:confused:

    generally I'd agree, but the vehicle is a very late 87 Mk2 transit and the mk3 came in in 1986 so I think an 87 plate on a mk2 will look odd.just personal opinion....might never get round to it.


  • Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 25,558 Mod ✭✭✭✭Dades


    galwaytt wrote: »
    Don't get me started: I reg'd a '77 yoke last week, and was offered ZV or 77 G xx

    As I wanted short number, I picked the 77 G option...........and promptly got 77 G 16801. FFS.
    Could be worse... They could have given you 771 G 16801 as you registered in the first 6 months of the year. :pac:


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 23 esicorty


    lots of muppet's driving around in naff german style plates already!!!


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 17,733 ✭✭✭✭corktina


    driving round in a numberplate is a neat trick, (also off topic and 5 months late but , meh...)


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,350 ✭✭✭w124man


    Bet he didnt read the whole thread either.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 551 ✭✭✭trevorbrady


    testicle wrote: »
    The yyD120xxx has stopped since the 131/2 reg system kicked in.
    I don't think so.

    a girl at work imported a used car from the North a couple of weeks ago and got 08-KK-8***, which looks like a perfectly reasonable plate for an '08 import. I.e. it didn't get 08-KK-12**** or whatever Kilkenny's go-to number was for fresh imports.

    Maybe they have abandoned the OTT numbering system for imports. Has there been any official word on this?


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 815 ✭✭✭Collibosher


    a girl at work imported a used car from the North a couple of weeks ago and got 08-KK-8***, which looks like a perfectly reasonable plate for an '08 import...

    I looked at a car in a dealers the other week that was a recent UK import on a low number KK plate, guy said it'd been registered there for for that reason.

    I had noticed that there seemed to be an abnormally high number of KK plated cars in Dublin dealers of late, the 1200XX plates are ridiculous looking.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,499 ✭✭✭Capri


    MAYBE the 12**** is only for classics - 46 D 120000 whereas 08D67890 might be issued to a non-classic import :confused:


    http://cars.donedeal.ie/vintagecars-for-sale/1979-vauxhall-royale-1979/5827420 ????????


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,107 ✭✭✭hi5


    The number is based on the highest registrations attained in any year in each county the past.
    Dublin went over 100000 one year so they made it 120000, many counties hardly go over 5000.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 815 ✭✭✭Collibosher


    What number are the ZV plates up to roughly at the moment, anyone register one lately?

    I have a '58 that needs registering.


  • Moderators, Motoring & Transport Moderators Posts: 2,957 Mod ✭✭✭✭macplaxton


    Lads quit speculating.

    As Hi5 said, big number issues vary from county to county and are in excess of the record (year 2000) registration serials.

    So Dublin starts 120001, next up is Cork at 40001 and so on. Lowest is of course Leitrim at 3001. I've got a list here somewhere.
    or whatever Kilkenny's go-to number was for fresh imports.
    Er, 8001 IS Kilkenny's go-to number for fresh imports!

    Collibosher, ZVs are done in county batches. What county are you registering in?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 815 ✭✭✭Collibosher


    macplaxton wrote: »
    Collibosher, ZVs are done in county batches. What county are you registering in?

    Dublin, so I'm guessing it's high :(


  • Moderators, Motoring & Transport Moderators Posts: 2,957 Mod ✭✭✭✭macplaxton


    Last one I can see for County Dublin is ZV10395 on a Mercedes-Benz. So it should be in that ball park.

    Dublin second ZV allocation runs from 7201 to 17200, but took a wee jump from 9889 to 10001 around the computer system change. The wee jump varied from county to county, but it's somewhere around 100 missed out.

    It's not that high since just after 5/12/2011, 10001 was issued, so about 400 cars taking the ZV option in 22 months.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 943 ✭✭✭bbsrs


    How do you go about registering a car in a county that's different to your home address? And on an import can you choose your number if you pay extra like you can with a new car?


  • Moderators, Motoring & Transport Moderators Posts: 2,957 Mod ✭✭✭✭macplaxton


    bbsrs wrote: »
    How do you go about registering a car in a county that's different to your home address?

    Find a relative/friend and register it in their name first? Needs a PPS number.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 23 esicorty


    Looks like I touched a nerve there corktina, you one of those guys with naff german plates, (meh)??


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 17,733 ✭✭✭✭corktina


    nein.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,555 ✭✭✭✭Marlow


    hi5 wrote: »
    The number is based on the highest registrations attained in any year in each county the past.
    Dublin went over 100000 one year so they made it 120000, many counties hardly go over 5000.

    Now it makes perfectly sense.

    I brought in a car this year and got XX-WH-8007. So Westmeath must be starting from 8000 then. A lot better than starting from 120000.

    /M


  • Moderators, Motoring & Transport Moderators Posts: 2,957 Mod ✭✭✭✭macplaxton


    WH starts from 8001. 8000 isn't issued.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,244 ✭✭✭swarlb


    macplaxton wrote: »
    WH starts from 8001. 8000 isn't issued.

    How de yez know all these things ? Is there a 'numberplate website' or something ?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,555 ✭✭✭✭Marlow


    macplaxton wrote: »
    WH starts from 8001. 8000 isn't issued.

    I don't think it makes darn difference really. It's more the case of in and whereabout it starts.

    /M


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  • Moderators, Motoring & Transport Moderators Posts: 2,957 Mod ✭✭✭✭macplaxton


    Fair enough Marlow, but I thought I'd spare someone at some stage looking for the non-existant 8000.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,555 ✭✭✭✭Marlow


    macplaxton wrote: »
    Fair enough Marlow, but I thought I'd spare someone at some stage looking for the non-existant 8000.

    Ah sure. It's obvious they don't give that out. They'd want extra money for that.

    /M


  • Moderators, Motoring & Transport Moderators Posts: 2,957 Mod ✭✭✭✭macplaxton


    swarlb wrote: »
    How de yez know all these things ?

    Reading bits of info here and there and sometimes researching them, checking if it's fact with something to back it up or bloke down the pub/internet fiction.

    When the Revenue fiddled with there number issues, it was December 2011. So sightings of 120001> Dublin issues were noticed. Working back from that they seemed to go over and above the best registration year which was 2000. Cork was spotted at 40001> and so on. Smaller areas were harder to pinpoint. Once I worked out where the starting points were, just noted down in the text file on the PC, to refer back to if someone asks. Just like a few folk on here are good with the pre-87 issues and can look up and roughly place a date on things.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,350 ✭✭✭w124man


    What happens if you bring in a six month old car, say one registered in January 2013 - what reg would you get then?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 395 ✭✭Carazy


    w124man wrote: »
    What happens if you bring in a six month old car, say one registered in January 2013 - what reg would you get then?
    You would get the next available 131 number for that county for that vehicle.
    The xx-D-120***,xx-C-40**, xx-CE-90** is only for imports over 2years old. (I know 2011 cars didn't get the new ''import'' reg last year.)


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  • Moderators, Motoring & Transport Moderators Posts: 2,957 Mod ✭✭✭✭macplaxton


    I guessing the next in the queue.


    Because there was something about 120001+ Dublin blip being only for the computer system change. So it only applied for years up to 2010?

    Go onto Cartell and look up a Dublin reg (as the most active county) and see what comes back. So 10D120001 is there, you'd expect a 11D import, but there's no 11D120001. Nor is there a 12D120001. Nor a 131D120001.

    The last 131D to date I could find was is 26350. The last one before that with a reg cert issued is 26340. Patterns suggest that this is is first VRC of the car.

    Find some new car stats: http://www.beepbeep.ie/ for SIMI stuff, CSO would be a cross-check. Anyway SIMI says between Jan-Jun 2013, 22,046 cars (including imports) were registered. But if the most recent serial is 26350, then there is a number of cars registered 131 in July, Aug, Sept and this month amounting to 4304. They can't be new, they must be late registrations the majority being imports.

    Anyway, that's mostly the method to back up the first sentence.


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