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EU to ban various pesticides for 2 years,to help the Bees

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,204 ✭✭✭dodderangler


    If I get stung il sue!


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,129 ✭✭✭PucaMama


    what about the people who are allergic to bee stings??


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 10,968 ✭✭✭✭Praetorian Saighdiuir


    I don't beelieve it!

    /Sorry


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,151 ✭✭✭kupus


    It'll bee interesting to see what happens in the next few years, regarding population rise.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,537 ✭✭✭KKkitty


    The bees will be buzzing with excitement.


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,558 ✭✭✭seven_eleven


    I'll help the bee's all I want. But if it helps those ****íng wasps then I'm out.


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 15,858 ✭✭✭✭paddy147


    I'll help the bee's all I want. But if it helps those ****íng wasps then I'm out.


    Wasps are kind of important too.

    They eat lots of aphids,which otherwize would ruin plants and crops.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,581 ✭✭✭✭kowloon


    paddy147 wrote: »
    Wasps are kind of important too.

    They eat lots of aphids,which otherwize would ruin plants and crops.

    I'm good with that, it's just that they're such arseholes about it.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,267 ✭✭✭Elessar


    Without the bees we're actually fucked.

    We should be worshiping our bee overlords.


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 15,858 ✭✭✭✭paddy147


    Elessar wrote: »
    Without the bees we're actually fucked.

    We should be worshiping our bee overlords.


    We planted our garden with bumble and honey bee friendly plants to encourage bees,hoverflys and ladybirds to fly in and hang around.

    Lovely creatures to sit and watch,also great for the garden,for the enviroment and the worlds population and providing our food too.:)


    It would be great to see the bee population increase with this ban comming in,and to show that the pesticides can do them harm.

    If something isnt done soon,then we wont know the a cure and how to save the bees from extinction.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 86,729 ✭✭✭✭Overheal


    Monsanto in the United States is probably the worst company I've ever heard of. Their products based on what I've read and seen are destroying ecology, bees included. And not only that but they are using their corporate influence to shut down research that opposes them. There was a beekeeper in Illinois who had been researching a link between Roundup (Monsanto product for killing weeds) and the dwindling Bee population. The Department of Agriculture not only shut his bee hives down, but utterly destroyed them, and with it almost all of his research. The problem was that his research was a conflict of interest to the IDofA, which actively promoted the use of agri-chemicals, and his bees had been raised fully organic.

    http://www.naturalnews.com/035920_beekeeper_Illinois_raid.html
    http://articles.mercola.com/sites/articles/archive/2012/07/05/monsanto-roundup-effects-on-honeybees.aspx


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 23,556 ✭✭✭✭Sir Digby Chicken Caesar


    government department does something... monsanto gets blamed

    love it


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 15,858 ✭✭✭✭paddy147


    Overheal wrote: »
    Monsanto in the United States is probably the worst company I've ever heard of. Their products based on what I've read and seen are destroying ecology, bees included. And not only that but they are using their corporate influence to shut down research that opposes them. There was a beekeeper in Illinois who had been researching a link between Roundup (Monsanto product for killing weeds) and the dwindling Bee population. The Department of Agriculture not only shut his bee hives down, but utterly destroyed them, and with it almost all of his research. The problem was that his research was a conflict of interest to the IDofA, which actively promoted the use of agri-chemicals, and his bees had been raised fully organic.

    http://www.naturalnews.com/035920_beekeeper_Illinois_raid.html


    Did you see the 2 hour long documentary on TG4 a few months ago,about private and commercial beekeepers in the USA taking on the big pesticide companies.


    Very powerfull documentary and it showed hundreads of hives that were completly wiped out on a 20,000 acre farm.


    The pesticide companies wouldnt be interviewed on camera and didnt accept any independent scientific studies that showed links to the bee deaths and the chemicals that were being sprayed around the areas of the dead hives.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 714 ✭✭✭Ziphius


    paddy147 wrote: »
    This is to see whether there will be any increase in the Bee populations and to see if they make a comeback.

    Really? This isn't scientific. We need a control to compare with to see what effect pesticides have.

    EditPesticides should be allowed in certain areas as a comparison. Banning them outright won't be helpful.


  • Moderators, Computer Games Moderators Posts: 7,943 Mod ✭✭✭✭Yakult


    Bee's would be great if they didnt have to ****ing sting you, wasps too. Pricks!


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 15,858 ✭✭✭✭paddy147


    Yakult wrote: »
    Bee's would be great if they didnt have to ****ing sting you, wasps too. Pricks!


    Its humans that annoy bees more than bees annoying humans.

    Bees are great little creatures and only want to buzz from flower to flower and crop to crop to do their thing.





    Have you ever stood beside a beehive or opened up a hive to see inside and see the bees at work and being born too??


    Fcuking amazing sight indeed.:)


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 4,089 ✭✭✭keelanj69


    How could you bee anything but happy about this?


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 2,207 ✭✭✭longhalloween


    Wasps only sting you in late summer when they've eaten all the other insects. Get a jar of water and jam to take care of them.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,151 ✭✭✭kupus


    As someone pointed out, monsanto are one of the viliest disgusting companies around, and GM foods really needs to be brought to the forefront of peoples attention.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,734 ✭✭✭Duckworth_Luas


    paddy147 wrote: »
    Have you ever stood beside a beehive or opened up a hive to see inside and see the bees at work and being born too??


    Fcuking amazing sight indeed.:)
    No! Let bees stick to their gaffs and let humans stick to theirs. It's because of people like you that wasps and bees feel they have the right to come into my house to see what I'm up to! No problem getting in but can they fcuk find their way out again!


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  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 15,858 ✭✭✭✭paddy147


    No! Let bees stick to their gaffs and let humans stick to theirs. It's because of people like you that wasps and bees feel they have the right to come into my house to see what I'm up to! No problem getting in but can they fcuk find their way out again!


    Thanks,glad to be doing my bit for the bees..:D


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,117 ✭✭✭shanered


    Ziphius wrote: »
    Really? This isn't scientific. We need a control to compare with to see what effect pesticides have.

    EditPesticides should be allowed in certain areas as a comparison. Banning them outright won't be helpful.

    Your right, but couldn't our control just be a neighbouring country which hasn't banned them, in my opinion its a good idea anyways, although there may be other factors, it may even be one of the pesticides they are not banning!


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 545 ✭✭✭Chemical Burn


    KKkitty wrote: »
    The bees will be buzzing with excitement.

    .


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 714 ✭✭✭Ziphius


    shanered wrote: »
    Your right, but couldn't our control just be a neighbouring country which hasn't banned them, in my opinion its a good idea anyways, although there may be other factors, it may even be one of the pesticides they are not banning!

    The impression I get is that this is an EU wide ban. So there will be few neighboring countries. Will comparisons between EU and non EU countries be valid?

    If there is some solid evidence that these specific chemicals are harmful to bees then I don't really have a problem. However, if this is meant to be some kind of experiment, as implied by the OP, it is very flawed.

    Edit You're right! There could well be other factors that are contributing to the decline in bee numbers. Simply banning a few chemicals outright will miss this.


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 15,858 ✭✭✭✭paddy147


    .


    Cant beat the real thing..:):)


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 906 ✭✭✭LiamMc


    What do Leyton Orient FC fans think of this extra help Brentford FC are getting?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,371 ✭✭✭✭Zillah


    Ziphius wrote: »
    Really? This isn't scientific. We need a control to compare with to see what effect pesticides have.

    EditPesticides should be allowed in certain areas as a comparison. Banning them outright won't be helpful.

    This isn't an experiment. This is a decision based on existing data. Studies have already shown a very strong likelihood that neonicotinoid pesticides are responsible for a rapidly dwindling bee population. Thanks for pointing out the first basic principle of science to the European Union.


  • Posts: 3,505 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    paddy147 wrote: »
    This is to see whether there will be any increase in the Bee populations and to see if they make a comeback.

    I've no clue where you're getting this 'let's see' thing, or the 'the motion was passed' thing.

    It's not to see if it makes a difference, it's just a ban because many people already believe it makes a difference. They never made a majority, that's why the ban is only temporary, so they can have some time to come to an agreement.

    It's great news, but it's hardly the desired result. The fact still remains that governments are more inclined to side with large companies than with sense-talking scientists and environmentalists, and refuse to accept plain-as-day research. Not to mention the fact that our country abstained, which just seems cowardly to me.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 714 ✭✭✭Ziphius


    Zillah wrote: »
    This isn't an experiment. This is a decision based on existing data. Studies have already shown a very strong likelihood that neonicotinoid pesticides are responsible for a rapidly dwindling bee population. Thanks for pointing out the first basic principle of science to the European Union.

    I was referring to, and quoting, the OP.

    "This is to see whether there will be any increase in the Bee populations and to see if they make a comeback."

    I'm impressed you know what a control is considering your lack of basic reading comprehension.


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 5,221 ✭✭✭NuckingFacker


    government department does something... monsanto gets blamed

    love it
    You do get the whole pesticides kill bee populations=no food equation? Right? If you farm, you know what "spray" does to bees- it sends them skatty basically and they become disorientated and die. You can watch it happen around fields that are being sprayed.
    I'm not going to say much more, because the feckers get very touchy being discussed in any negative light. And I don't mean the bees. Also our eehh eehh eeehh aahh minister overturned a recent ban on neonicotinoids which are thought to largely be to blame. Well done you, Mr Coveney.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,448 ✭✭✭crockholm


    Those poor baxtards cant get a break, first,they have to share a scene with Nicholas Cage( who,predictably,ruins it), and now this


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 15,858 ✭✭✭✭paddy147


    You do get the whole pesticides kill bee populations=no food equation? Right? If you farm, you know what "spray" does to bees- it sends them skatty basically and they become disorientated and die. You can watch it happen around fields that are being sprayed.
    I'm not going to say much more, because the feckers get very touchy being discussed in any negative light. And I don't mean the bees.


    When we were out at the hives to inspect them,I was asked to stand around 10 feet smack bang in front of the hive and its opening.

    The bees have a particular flightpath in and out of each hive and their location (akin to a plane landing on a runway).

    The bees soon became very scattered and found it difficult to get to the hive,the amount of them entering the hive from my direction did drop down and this was because I was stood in their flightpath.A few landed on me,and stayed there for a while.

    As was said to me at the time....imagine a spray in the air that is like a million of you standing in their flightpath.


    Thats when it made sense to me.



    Have to say that it was amazing to see the hives so directly close up and see how the bees do their thing inside the hive,and how important they are for us all.:D


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 6,798 ✭✭✭karma_


    Ziphius wrote: »

    I'm impressed you know what a control is considering your lack of basic reading comprehension.
    Last edited by Ziphius; Today at 20:58. Reason: missing word

    I got a kick out of this.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 11,001 ✭✭✭✭opinion guy


    Overheal wrote: »
    Monsanto in the United States is probably the worst company I've ever heard of. Their products based on what I've read and seen are destroying ecology, bees included. And not only that but they are using their corporate influence to shut down research that opposes them. There was a beekeeper in Illinois who had been researching a link between Roundup (Monsanto product for killing weeds) and the dwindling Bee population. The Department of Agriculture not only shut his bee hives down, but utterly destroyed them, and with it almost all of his research. The problem was that his research was a conflict of interest to the IDofA, which actively promoted the use of agri-chemicals, and his bees had been raised fully organic.

    http://www.naturalnews.com/035920_beekeeper_Illinois_raid.html
    http://articles.mercola.com/sites/articles/archive/2012/07/05/monsanto-roundup-effects-on-honeybees.aspx


    Monsanto - the only company I know of where what they actually do is MORE evil than what the conspiracy nutters fantasize they do.

    However, I make a point of not reading anything of that mercola website I must say


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 714 ✭✭✭Ziphius


    karma_ wrote: »
    I got a kick out of this.

    It wouldn't do to leave it the way it was.


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