Claiming Jobseekers in europe.

billy2012

A older brother is currently on the dole and has been for the last few years.

He is planning on going to Holland,Germany or Belgium looking for bar work and believes he will be able to claim his social welfare for 13 weeks or until he gets employment which he believes he will be able to do.

Is this right? Seems to good to be true.:eek::eek:

Gongoozler

In theory it is true. In practise, i dont know if it is true.

Phantasos

Unless he gets someone to illegally pick up his social welfare payments every week, then he absolutely cannot leave the country for 3 months and expect to get his Jobseeker's payments. You can claim Jobseeker's Allowance when you are looking for work. You can't go working in another country for the summer and expect to retain your payments, that's not how it works!

If he wants to go abroad for the summer, then he has to sign off. It's probably possible to suspend your welfare for a week or two if you need to search for a job, and unsuspend it if you find nothing.

billy2012

You must of taken me up wrong.
He is just planning on getting payments until he finds work.

He is under the impression that he is allowed to do this.

Some scheme that allows people to still claim whilst looking for work abroad.

He is not looking to work, get paid, and still claim or anything like that.

Something like this guy is talking about http://www.askaboutmoney.com/showthread.php?t=108741

billy2012

Re: Transferring Jobseeker's Benefit abroad
From here operational intstructions)

"c) Transfer of Benefit - Article 69
Under this Article a person who has been in receipt of JB in one of the European countries for at least 4 weeks, may transfer this benefit to one of the other European countries for a maximum of 13 weeks,(78 days) provided the person is seeking employment in that country. The person registers as unemployed in the country to which s/he travels, and the local social services office pays the benefit, subsequently recouping it from the home country.
(d) Outgoing cases from Ireland

A person in receipt of Irish JB may transfer the JB claim to one of the European countries for up to 13 weeks (78 days). The form E303 must be completed by the local office with details of rates of payment etc. The claimant takes this form to the social services office of the country to which they are travelling.

(e) Incoming cases from another European country

Nationals of other European countries may transfer their Benefit into Ireland. The rate payable to such persons is the rate that they are entitled to in their home country converted into EURO. These claimants should provide a copy of the form E303 from their home country (f) Special Case - JA Pending Action Under Article 67 or 69

If there is likely to be an undue delay in the processing of incoming article 67 or 69 cases, the person should be advised to claim JA in the interim.
This JA claim is subject to all the normal conditions for receipt of JA. When the person's JB entitlement is subsequently established, any JA paid should be treated as paid on account of JB.
If the person's entitlement to JB is lower than the JA entitlement s/he may continue to receive JA in lieu of JB. In such cases, the JA is treated as paid on account of JB, and that JB is recovered from the person's home country.

(g) Transfer from another EU country

In any case where a person qualifies for JB due to an aggregation of two social insurance records, and has been paid a foreign JB within 26 weeks of becoming entitled to Irish JB, the period paid on the foreign JB should be deducted from their 390 days or 312 days on Irish JB i.e. the foreign JB "links" to the Irish JB.
For Example:
A person has received 90 days of British JB and then comes to Ireland. S/he receives a further 24 days of British JB on a transfer of benefit (see "Transfer of benefit"). She then finds work for a week, and pays one A1 contribution. She now qualifies for an aggregation of social insurance record (see "Aggregation of records"), and on that basis qualifies for Irish JB.
The number of days paid already on her British claim (90 + 24, or 114) is deducted from her 312 (234) days maximum entitlement, leaving a net Irish entitlement of 198 days or 120 days as appropriate. "

BuffyBot

From http://www.citizensinformation.ie/en/social_welfare/irish_social_welfare_system/claiming_a_social_welfare_payment/going_abroad_and_social_welfare_payments.html

Jobseeker's Benefit (JB) may be transferred to another EEA member state for up to 13 weeks (78 days), if you are looking for work there. You must be getting Jobseeker's Benefit for 4 weeks before you can transfer it to another EEA member state. From 1 May 2010 new EU Regulations came into effect which mean that if you apply to transfer your Jobseeker's Benefit, it will be paid directly to you. You are still required to register with the employment services of the country where you have gone to look for work within a week. If you are leaving Ireland to move to Northern Ireland or Britain your Social Welfare Local Office will issue you with the Form U2 (formerly Form E303) which you take to the UK social services. If you are moving to another EU country the Department of Social Protection will send the U2 form to your new address in that EU country.

Funkfield

He can if he is claiming Jobseekers Benefit but not Jobseekers Allowance

billy2012

Just to make sure.....Allowance is when you have credits built up and benefit is when you no credit's / contributions left.

Right????

I meant the other way around LOL

Phantasos

Jobseeker's Benefit is where you have your credits built up. Jobseeker's Allowance is a means-tested payment.

As your brother is on the dole for the last few years, he is definitely on Jobseeker's Allowance now. The above information is for Jobseeker's Benefit, so it doesn't apply.

There's two options as I see it:

Your brother could probably fill in for a Holiday Form and use his two weeks' holiday to scout for work abroad. He would have his payments suspended in this scenario, but he would collect the two weeks' payment he missed on the next payment date (i.e: he wouldn't lose out on any money) if he returns jobless. Obviously, if he finds work, he can ring up and stop payments altogether.

Alternatively, your brother could explain the situation to Welfare (i.e: his attempts to find work) and they may temporarily suspend his claim until he comes back from abroad. In this scenario, he will miss all payments until he returns. He'll either [a] get a job and sign off or return jobless and unsuspend his claim to begin getting payments from the next week.

Long story short, there's no way to continue getting paid indefinitely if you're out of the country, even if you are still unemployed. Good luck to him though.