Cycling Ireland EGM re Pat McQuaid nomination - 15 June 2013 - *see post 1*

Beasty

Meeting notice here

NOTICE IS HEREBY GIVEN [FONT=Calibri,Calibri][FONT=Calibri,Calibri]that an extraordinary general meeting of the Company will be held at 11 a.m. on the 15[/FONT][/FONT][FONT=Calibri,Calibri][FONT=Calibri,Calibri]th [/FONT][/FONT][FONT=Calibri,Calibri][FONT=Calibri,Calibri]day of June, 2013 at the Red Cow Moran Hotel, Naas Road, Dublin 22 to consider and if thought fit pass the following resolution which will be proposed as an ordinary resolution:[/FONT][/FONT]


[FONT=Calibri,Calibri][FONT=Calibri,Calibri]"[/FONT][/FONT][FONT=Calibri,Calibri][FONT=Calibri,Calibri]That Mr. Pat McQuaid be and is hereby nominated by Cycling Ireland to stand as a candidate for the Presidency of the UCI at the 2013 UCI Congress and that the said nomination be executed and submitted forthwith by the Board of this Company.[/FONT][/FONT][FONT=Calibri,Calibri][FONT=Calibri,Calibri]" [/FONT][/FONT]

Just to set out some ground rules - please use this thread to discuss the merits or otherwise of Mr McQuaid's candidacy. Please do so in a civil and constructive manner. Do not use this thread to discuss other aspects such as tthe actions of the CI Board leading up to the calling of the EGM - the earlier thread can be used for such discussion. Basically keep this thread on-topic

We'll let the discussion run for a week or so to allow as many people who wish to contribute from both sides. We will then add a poll to get a feel for which way people would vote if given the chance, splitting it berween CI and non-CI members. I'll also post details of procedures and rules governing the EGM

Thanks

Beasty

morana

Morans Hotel eh!

thats a coincidence

Beasty

I'll set out some of the basic ground rules governing the EGM, and update this post as required when any additional information is deemed relevant

The EGM has been called by the Board. To be valid it requires 5% of clubs to attend. Contrary to a previous post I made, because it's a Board-called EGM it may be adjourned if a quorum is not present, and then reconvened (this would not have been the case with a club-called EGM)

Member Clubs, Provinces and Commissions, as well as the Board itself, may attend and vote at the EGM. The Board members may vote in a personal capacity, and that does not impact on the votes their club may carry

Clubs, Provinces and Commissions may nominate delegates to attend and vote - there is no voting by Proxy - only attendees can vote. Clubs get a number of delegate slots based on their paid-up CI membership over the past few months:

Up to 20 - 2 delegates
21-50 - 3 delegates
51 -100 - 4 delegates
plus an extra delegate for every additional 100 paid up members

Again, contrary to suggestions in the other thread, if a club has say 4 votes they would require 4 delegates to turn up to be able to cast all 4 votes - it is not possible for 1 delegate to cast all his/her club's votes

Unattached members have no votes, but as I understand it can attend the EGM. They have no right to speak, although could, in theory at least, be invited to speak by the Chairman. Likewise non-members may be invited to attend and speak. Members of clubs who are not club delegates are in the same position as unattached members so far as the EGM is concerned, but can seek to influence their own club's votes by making representations within that club, or possibly via a meeting of club members to consider whether to mandate its delegates

This is an ordinary resolution - a simple majority is required to carry it

EDIT 1 (30/04/13) - Clubs must have been affiliated to CI for 6 months to be able to send voting delegates to the EGM. Delegates must be over 16 years of age and must have been a member of the affiliated club for at least 3 months at the time of the meeting to be able to vote

EDIT 2 (01/05/13) - Link to CI's Memorandum and Articles of Association

That's it for now, but I'm sure I'll be adding more as we go along

el tel

How does one prove they are a delegate of their club, rather than just a member rocking up on the day?

Unregistered.

Is there generally tea and sambos at these things?

Morrisseeee

Thread needs a bookface page & a tweeter page
ie. to spread the 'word'

Casati

Has Pat produced a manifesto for his next term/ Has he said in public what plans he has for his next term in office?

buffalo

Same day as the Roundwood GP and Christy McManus Memorial.

Junior

Guys,

Genuine question coming from a bit of a debate between myself and RobFowl on the Twitter machine earlier - so here goes - why would someone support McQuaid ? Has he done anything notable for Ireland, what are his achievements as President.

It arose at a club meeting we had, that if a vote was to be taken, that both sides of the coin would have to be presented..

We've been trying to separate fact from fiction so far.. but has anyone got any light to shed on the topic ?

TheBlaaMan

I guess you may find that the Giro is coming here in 2014 for 'other' reasons, and he wont/cant claim any credit for this, but that behind the scenes, he may well have brought influence to bear - so it may be the case that this will be used as an example of the benefit accruing from PMcQs tenure as President of the UCI?

el tel

Junior wrote: »

Guys,

Genuine question coming from a bit of a debate between myself and RobFowl on the Twitter machine earlier - so here goes - why would someone support McQuaid ? Has he done anything notable for Ireland, what are his achievements as President.

It arose at a club meeting we had, that if a vote was to be taken, that both sides of the coin would have to be presented..

We've been trying to separate fact from fiction so far.. but has anyone got any light to shed on the topic ?

I posed the same question on the other thread many weeks ago and got no replies

That could only mean one of two things...

Beasty

Junior wrote: »

It arose at a club meeting we had, that if a vote was to be taken, that both sides of the coin would have to be presented..

It's a valid point Junior and allowing both sides to be presented is important. The problem seems to be that there are not that many who are prepared to put a reasoned case for his nomination.

I understand he prepared some kind of paper for the original Board meeting, and it would be helpful to see why he thinks he should be nominated. However I'm not sure of the status of that paper - ie whether it's something he's happy to share with the "rank and file" membership at this time

Either way I would have thought he would want to get his message across, although as we still have another 5 weeks before the EGM he may think it a little early to start actively campaigning. Having said that, the clubs need to start the debates internally to decide how to approach the meeting - eg whether to send delegates and if so whether to mandate they vote a particular way or leave it up to the delegates on the day

Raam

Perhaps a discussion for another thread, but has anyone considered who might possibly be chosen as his successor if Pat does not get back in?

RobFowl

Raam wrote: »

Perhaps a discussion for another thread, but has anyone considered who might possibly be chosen as his successor if Pat does not get back in?

There a number of names being touted but none will declare yet and probably won't stand against PMQ if he is nominated.

Beasty

Raam wrote: »

Perhaps a discussion for another thread, but has anyone considered who might possibly be chosen as his successor if Pat does not get back in?

I think that is relevant in determining whether or not to support McQuaid's nomination, so have no problem with it being discussed here.

Beasty

Article in today's Independent:

Club revolt may see McQuaid seek Swiss support

Under UCI rules, presidential candidates must be backed by either their home union or the union in their country of residence if they want to run for office. It is believed that McQuaid, who now lives in Switzerland, may be planning to join a cycling club there in order to secure the backing of its cycling federation.

I have no idea whether it's true that he is planning to join a Swiss club, and for all I know even if he is it may be because he thinks he's going to have a lot more spare time in the future and, like morana, has decided to try and get out on his bike more;)

However it would appear underhand to me if he is looking to go behind the backs of those who nominated him back in 2005 (and 2009), simply because he now suspects he can no longer count on their support. In my view he should have chosen which route he wished to take at the outset of the "current campaign" - to attempt to change tack at this stage because things are not going his way reflects very poorly on him

CramCycle

Didn't want to clutter up the other thread with this question, hopefully this is the right place, on the basis that Pat is either not seeking a nomination from Ireland anymore or he might not recieve one after the EGM.

Does this mean we can nominate someone else, and do we have any candidates willing to step forward or who would be suitable?

Beasty

I'm not sure there's any rule preventing CI from putting forward more than one candidate. We would need another CI member both up to the job and happy to take it on - there may well be individuals in each category, but I can't see too many possibilities of someone fitting into both categories.

The other thing is that in itself would almost certainly necessitate another EGM (which is very unlikely to happen in time for the initial nomination deadline), although if no candidates are nominated by the June deadline new nominations can be introduced at Congress

Are you interested Cram?;)

CramCycle

Beasty wrote: »

Are you interested Cram?;)

While I would be, I have the good grace to realise I have neither the experience or knowledge to hold such a position, come back to me at the next election :pac:

But I am sure there are people who would be suitable inside of CIs rank and file, ones with a passion for cycling, not in it for the money (pay offs, cover ups, private business ventures etc.) but most of these people have jobs or other commitments. There are even a few on here who I think could handle the job.

The other point to be made for such a nomination is to ask would any of them be able to garner enough support at congress, if we put up a relatively unknown face, would there be any support based solely on a promise of good leadership?

Any volunteers?

C3PO

Does anyone know what club delegates will need to bring to the meeting in order to confirm their credentials, if anything?

CramCycle

C3PO wrote: »

Does anyone know what club delegates will need to bring to the meeting in order to confirm their credentials, if anything?

Your CI license AFAIK, if there are more people claiming to be from a club then are votes, either a member of the committee will decide/nominate who casts the votes, ie if you are going to represent your club, make sure your committee/club know and agree with your planned vote.

ie if a club has 3 votes but 4 people turn up looking to cast votes, then one will have to step back, if there is any confusion, I presume it will be a member of the clubs committee who makes the call, it really should be decided and communicated to the clubs members before then though.

recedite

He made a poor judgement call, backing Armstrong and not Kimmage/Walsh/O'Reilly. A President of UCI can't expect to get another term after displaying poor judgement.
I always thought that McQuaid did well out of Cycling, rather than the other way round. Just my 2 cents worth.