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Botulism

  • 29-04-2013 9:02pm
    #1
    1chippy
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    Has anyone any experiences with botulism? A friend of mine has lost a serious number of cattle in the past forthnight and is getting damn all answers. He has land rented a good few years that is surrounded by tillage lads that are loading on the chicken sh1t. last year it was 3 or 4, this year they have started dropping like flies. The animals are all extremely well looked after, dosing, minerals, feeding and vetinary treatments would be excellent.
    He has been drawing constantly to backweston the last few weeks and was even called today when he was on his way with one that there was another one ready when he got back.
    Is there any suggestions out there. Cattle were taken off the land last week but will have to go back as he has large numbers and only a small bit of grass. He got the injection to treat for botulism but it doesnt seem to be working.


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  • #2
    kfk
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 546 ✭✭✭kfk


    Did he get on to the DVO? Don't suppose the tillage neighbors would spread something other than chicken manure? They are probably spreading dead chickens with it. Might be no harm to let them know that what they are spreading is causing fatalities to his stock. I didn't think there was any treatment for botulism.


  • #3
    1chippy
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    He has been onto the dvo and the tillage farmer. Tillage farmer more or less just laughed him out of the place. There is some sort of an injection that is supposed to kick in 3 weeks after administration.


  • #4
    tabby aspreme
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    Can he get some of the chicken sh#t tested , I think there are regs regarding chicken sh#t


  • #5
    blue5000
    Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 12,757 Mod ✭✭✭✭blue5000


    Hi chippy, maybe if your friend prints this off and shows it to the tillage farmer it might stop him laughing.
    http://www.farmersjournal.ie/site/farming-Botulism-compo-paid-15216.html

    What are the symptoms?

    If the seat's wet, sit on yer hat, a cool head is better than a wet ar5e.



  • #6
    freedominacup
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    AFAIK poultry litter must be ploughed in pretty much immeadiately.


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  • #7
    greysides
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    Very hard to actually prove conclusively deaths are due to Botulism. Good luck to him. Lousy way to lose animals.

    The aim of argument, or of discussion, should not be victory, but progress. Joseph Joubert

    The ultimate purpose of debate is not to produce consensus. It's to promote critical thinking.

    Adam Grant



  • #8
    bob charles
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    there is a code of practice but thats not a "have to" IYKWIM. dirty bloody problem to have. Insurance from poultry farmer usually coughs up, but it not an easy road


  • #9
    Massey10
    Closed Accounts Posts: 179 ✭✭Massey10


    1chippy wrote: »
    Has anyone any experiences with botulism? A friend of mine has lost a serious number of cattle in the past forthnight and is getting damn all answers. He has land rented a good few years that is surrounded by tillage lads that are loading on the chicken sh1t. last year it was 3 or 4, this year they have started dropping like flies. The animals are all extremely well looked after, dosing, minerals, feeding and vetinary treatments would be excellent.
    He has been drawing constantly to backweston the last few weeks and was even called today when he was on his way with one that there was another one ready when he got back.
    Is there any suggestions out there. Cattle were taken off the land last week but will have to go back as he has large numbers and only a small bit of grass. He got the injection to treat for botulism but it doesnt seem to be working.
    Its a hard one to prove .Get one of the dead animals to the lab to rule out everything else ,unless the dvo vet thinks it is botulism it will be hard to go to court . I didnt think there was any way to treat botulism whats the stuff called.Are they dying fast or hanging on unable to get up .I think he should keep a record of when ever the sh1t is being spread and animal dying .


  • #10
    Massey10
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    1chippy wrote: »
    He has been onto the dvo and the tillage farmer. Tillage farmer more or less just laughed him out of the place. There is some sort of an injection that is supposed to kick in 3 weeks after administration.
    Is he up north they can use a vaccine up there as far as i know.


  • #11
    1chippy
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,716 ✭✭✭1chippy


    Massey10 wrote: »
    Is he up north they can use a vaccine up there as far as i know.
    He is along the border. Another animal gone today.
    He has been talking to the lads from cork so cheers Blue for that, they were very helpful and hes been told to expect more deaths for up to 3 weeks after taking them off the ground.
    Department involved but dont really want to know about it by the looks of it. Really feel bad for the lad. If anyone has anything even trivial it may be of help, blue5000s info proved a valuable bit. Cheers.


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  • #12
    Massey10
    Closed Accounts Posts: 179 ✭✭Massey10


    1chippy wrote: »
    He is along the border. Another animal gone today.
    He has been talking to the lads from cork so cheers Blue for that, they were very helpful and hes been told to expect more deaths for up to 3 weeks after taking them off the ground.
    Department involved but dont really want to know about it by the looks of it. Really feel bad for the lad. If anyone has anything even trivial it may be of help, blue5000s info proved a valuable bit. Cheers.
    Are they dying fast or being put down.What kind of symptoms are they showing .


  • #13
    1chippy
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    just dropping as he described it they would be sitting back chewing one minute and the next would be sitting with the feet in the air.


  • #14
    Massey10
    Closed Accounts Posts: 179 ✭✭Massey10


    1chippy wrote: »
    just dropping as he described it they would be sitting back chewing one minute and the next would be sitting with the feet in the air.
    Ive heard farmers say the vets get a bit quiet because they dont want to go to court .


  • #15
    gav86
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 303 ✭✭gav86


    Massey10 wrote: »
    Is he up north they can use a vaccine up there as far as i know.

    Yeah heard this as well just keep the bottle out of sight if the Dept are about..


  • #16
    fishfarmer
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    Only thing I can suggest is getting a sample of what the neighbour is spreading and get it tested.
    If all he's doing is laughing then screw the ****er to the wall.
    I dont imagine it would be outrageosly expensive since its fairly simple to detect clostridium (if I remember rightly).


  • #17
    Massey10
    Closed Accounts Posts: 179 ✭✭Massey10


    gav86 wrote: »
    Yeah heard this as well just keep the bottle out of sight if the Dept are about..
    What would happen your lifestock if they found out.


  • #18
    greysides
    Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 9,041 Mod ✭✭✭✭greysides


    fishfarmer wrote: »
    I dont imagine it would be outrageosly expensive since its fairly simple to detect clostridium (if I remember rightly).

    It's not Clostridium bacteria you need to detect, it's toxin, and that's hard. The best test involves injecting live mice and will kill them so there's reluctance to do it without some expectation of getting a result. Unfortunately, cattle are more sensitive to the toxin than mice.................... so the tests usually come back negative.

    The aim of argument, or of discussion, should not be victory, but progress. Joseph Joubert

    The ultimate purpose of debate is not to produce consensus. It's to promote critical thinking.

    Adam Grant



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