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ERC Player of 2013 Shortlist Announced

  • 29-04-2013 5:11pm
    #1
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 537 ✭✭✭Bogota


    ERC European Player of the Year 2013

    Official Shortlist

    1. Julien Bonnaire
    2. Jamie Heaslip
    3. Wesley Fofana
    4. Sitiveni Sivivatu
    5. Jonny Wilkinson


    Interesting that Jamie Heaslip is picked after all the abuse hes gotten recently. It just goes to show how unjustified it was.

    Who is the ERC Player of the Year? 93 votes

    Julian Bonnaire
    0%
    Jamie Heaslip
    11%
    .akCrashWintersBenny Cakevanggreendombuyer95CookiemunsterTopOfTheRightTheGoldenAgescryleprince 11 votes
    Jonny Wilkinson
    13%
    TrojanNukemrrpcmelekalikimakatolosencPeadar06tomred1CIARAN_BOYLEDunder Mifflinerrlloydmc3accrashplanKayless 13 votes
    Wesley Fofana
    7%
    ThetasydthebeatSomeFoolsiltirockerdavidpfitzunplayableRightwing 7 votes
    Sitivini Sivivatu
    66%
    dreginSuprSiBig Nelly[Jackass]hullaballooDave_The_SheepJelloeyeball kidbudhabobcolman1212BeardySimurphym7WeleaseWoderickLeeroyJonesduckysauceDick Turnipktulu123GrimeboxandrewdcsGarseys 62 votes


Comments

  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 37,978 ✭✭✭✭irishbucsfan


    Good man Jamie!


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 45,433 ✭✭✭✭thomond2006


    Sitivini Sivivatu
    Any one of the Clermont players for me.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,076 ✭✭✭leakyboots


    Heaslip? Christ.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 4,997 ✭✭✭Grimebox


    Sitivini Sivivatu
    I'm surprised Heaslip managed to make that list


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 2,234 ✭✭✭trouttrout


    Ya Heaslip has been good, but certainly not one of the top players in european competition imo


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  • Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 28,115 Mod ✭✭✭✭Podge_irl


    Heaslip has been excellent for Leinster all season.

    The award is Fofana's to lose in my mind though.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,636 ✭✭✭✭Tox56


    Sitivini Sivivatu
    The award is based on a fairly limited number of games, and off the top of my head he was excellent in Clermont and Exeter, and against Scarlets and Wasps... and Biarritz too of course. He's up there in a lot of their stats too, there's probably a better option somewhere tho


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 9,193 ✭✭✭[Jackass]


    Sitivini Sivivatu
    Must be Fofana.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 3,906 ✭✭✭jamiedav2011


    Great to see Jamie nominated.

    Bonnaire to win it for me.


  • Subscribers Posts: 42,171 ✭✭✭✭sydthebeat


    Wesley Fofana
    Jonny, his back must be sore carrying that toulon team


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 751 ✭✭✭lologram


    Sitivini Sivivatu
    Fofana for me. He's unreal.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 30,308 ✭✭✭✭.ak


    Jamie Heaslip
    Heaslip has been top notch at European level all season, completely justified. Think of the Pool stages and the stats he was pulling in, turnovers, tackles, tries, carries. He has the lot.

    But for me it's got to be Bonnaire. Yeah Fofana has been amazing, he's truly one of the best 12s I've ever seen in my lifetime anyway, but Bonnaire's work rate, his ability to turn a game on it's head, his ability to lead, his athleticism, his skill, his hands, his tackling... He's one of the hearts of the Clermont team and considering the pack has been doing all the damage before the floodgates open I'm going with Bonnaire.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,144 ✭✭✭Benny Cake


    Jamie Heaslip
    Heaslip? That's some joke.....


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 24,258 ✭✭✭✭Buer


    Sitivini Sivivatu
    Benny Cake wrote: »
    Heaslip? That's some joke.....

    Not really. Take everything else out of it and concentrate on his season in European rugby. He was probably Leinster's best player in Clermont when they should have won. He was very good away to Scarlets and also in the last two pool games when he was making big yards and getting through tonnes of work. The Wasps and Biarritz games, he was excellent.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,144 ✭✭✭Benny Cake


    Jamie Heaslip
    Buer wrote: »
    Not really. Take everything else out of it and concentrate on his season in European rugby. He was probably Leinster's best player in Clermont when they should have won. He was very good away to Scarlets and also in the last two pool games when he was making big yards and getting through tonnes of work. The Wasps and Biarritz games, he was excellent.

    Call me a purist, but performances against disinterested opposition in the amlin, hardly counts the same as playing in the Heineken.....


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 8,207 ✭✭✭decisions


    Sitivini Sivivatu
    Wasn't there a stat after the pool stages that Jamie hadn't missed a tackle.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,881 ✭✭✭PhatPiggins


    Bogota wrote: »
    ERC European Player of the Year 2013

    Official Shortlist

    1. Julien Bonnaire
    2. Jamie Heaslip
    3. Wesley Fofana
    4. Sitiveni Sivivatu
    5. Jonny Wilkinson


    Interesting that Jamie Heaslip is picked after all the abuse hes gotten recently. It just goes to show how unjustified it was.

    Owen Farrell, that is all.

    Hard to pick a winner from the 3 Clermont lads tbh.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,340 ✭✭✭yimrsg


    According to the ERC stats Heaslip is the top player.

    http://www.ercrugby.com/eng/statistics/amlin_opta_index.php


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 3,906 ✭✭✭jamiedav2011


    Owen Farrell, that is all.

    Hard to pick a winner from the 3 Clermont lads tbh.

    Great to see some of Jamie's excellent European performances rewarded though. Top quality again on Sat.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 193 ✭✭conor1979


    Benny Cake wrote: »
    Heaslip? That's some joke.....

    Care to elaborate?

    Taken from ERC Opta Stats.

    Top Forwards
    Player Club Appearances Amlin Opa Index
    Jamie Heaslip Leinster Rugby 7 2103
    Julien Bonnaire ASM Clermont 7 1943


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,889 ✭✭✭tolosenc


    Jonny Wilkinson
    Dunno, don't think Fofana has been nearly as good this year as he was last year. If Heaslip dominates the Amlin Final, he could well nick it.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 605 ✭✭✭Todd Toddington III


    conor1979 wrote: »
    Care to elaborate?

    Taken from ERC Opta Stats.

    Top Forwards
    Player Club Appearances Amlin Opa Index
    Jamie Heaslip Leinster Rugby 7 2103
    Julien Bonnaire ASM Clermont 7 1943

    Sure doesnt he have that stud in his tongue, and wear them fancy dan headphones...

    :-P


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 24,258 ✭✭✭✭Buer


    Sitivini Sivivatu
    Benny Cake wrote: »
    Call me a purist, but performances against disinterested opposition in the amlin, hardly counts the same as playing in the Heineken.....

    Which is why I mentioned him being the best player in Clermont and also performing strongly in other HEC games.

    As others have mentioned, his performances were backed up by the facts. If I recall correctly, he was something outlandish in the pool stages at over 50 tackles made and zero missed as well as carrying the ball more times than any other player in the tournament.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 24,258 ✭✭✭✭Buer


    Sitivini Sivivatu
    tolosenc wrote: »
    Dunno, don't think Fofana has been nearly as good this year as he was last year. If Heaslip dominates the Amlin Final, he could well nick it.

    Nah. Heaslip has been very good but it's a token nomination as they always do for the teams in the ACC final. The winner will be from the HEC. I don't think anyone should look beyond the three Clermont boys. For me, it's Sivivatu. He has been electric.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 24,767 ✭✭✭✭molloyjh


    Buer wrote: »
    Which is why I mentioned him being the best player in Clermont and also performing strongly in other HEC games.

    As others have mentioned, his performances were backed up by the facts. If I recall correctly, he was something outlandish in the pool stages at over 50 tackles made and zero missed as well as carrying the ball more times than any other player in the tournament.

    Would you go away with your facts you. The guy is a show pony who regularly goes missing. We all know that. :D


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 30,308 ✭✭✭✭.ak


    Jamie Heaslip
    leakyboots wrote: »
    Heaslip? Christ.
    Benny Cake wrote: »
    Heaslip? That's some joke.....

    Good reasoning there lads, didn't think of that! :D


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,681 ✭✭✭✭P_1


    It won't be Heaslip to be honest. Looking back I'm nearly certain that the winning player was on the winning team of the HEC.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 8,207 ✭✭✭decisions


    Sitivini Sivivatu
    Fofana has had a fantastic season, but if JW manages to beat Clermont I think he has a very good shot.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,442 ✭✭✭its_phil


    Sitivini Sivivatu
    Benny Cake wrote: »
    Call me a purist, but performances against disinterested opposition in the amlin, hardly counts the same as playing in the Heineken.....

    I really wouldn't say Biarritz were disinterested seen as they won it the year before and had not qualified for the Heineken Cup. Just beaten out the gate by a good Leinster team and after the Nacewa try just lost interest.


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  • Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 28,115 Mod ✭✭✭✭Podge_irl


    Biarritz were about as far from disinterested as it is possible to be. They simply weren't good enough.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,681 ✭✭✭✭P_1


    Podge_irl wrote: »
    Biarritz were about as far from disinterested as it is possible to be. They simply weren't good enough.

    Ah now they were fairly interested for the first 37 minutes to be fair


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,805 ✭✭✭Swan Curry


    Sitivini Sivivatu
    Tell Ngwenya he was disinterested after making two try-saving tackles.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,264 ✭✭✭✭Fireball07


    Sitivini Sivivatu
    I don't think Heaslip has been one of the 5 best players in Europe tbqh. He hasn't been bad, but he hasn't been absolutely brilliant either. Don't know if he's even been Leinster's best player in Europe.


    I'd go for Fofana, I just think he's pure class although if Bonnaire won it, there couldn't be many complaints.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,816 ✭✭✭corny


    I'd go for Sivivatu or Bonnaire but i wouldn't be surprised to see Wilkinson take it.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,323 ✭✭✭Dr Nic


    Podge_irl wrote: »
    Biarritz were about as far from disinterested as it is possible to be. They simply weren't good enough.
    Maybe some were but Harinordiquoy was lounging by the pool...


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,636 ✭✭✭✭Tox56


    Sitivini Sivivatu
    Fireball07 wrote: »
    I don't think Heaslip has been one of the 5 best players in Europe tbqh. He hasn't been bad, but he hasn't been absolutely brilliant either. Don't know if he's even been Leinster's best player in Europe.


    I'd go for Fofana, I just think he's pure class although if Bonnaire won it, there couldn't be many complaints.

    I'd say he has been Leinster's best player in Europe, between him and Healy for sure




  • Sivivatu or Fofana for me.

    If I was Gatland I would've been trying to figure out some way to convince the Aussies that Fofana qualified as a Lion, because having him outside Sexton with Davies / BOD / Tuilagi available as a second centre would have given Gatland licence to try about 400 different routes through the Aus defence.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,648 ✭✭✭desertcircus


    Sivivatu or Fofana for me.

    If I was Gatland I would've been trying to figure out some way to convince the Aussies that Fofana qualified as a Lion, because having him outside Sexton with Davies / BOD / Tuilagi available as a second centre would have given Gatland licence to try about 400 different routes through the Aus defence.

    If we changed it to the European Lions, we could bring a backrow of Gorgodze-SOB-Parisse and put Parra inside Sexton as well.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,106 ✭✭✭andrewdcs


    Sitivini Sivivatu
    ... and put Parra inside Sexton as well.

    And another European, Dr. Heiter, could perform the operation. :eek:

    North Vs South was a one off game way back when wasnt it?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,619 ✭✭✭✭errlloyd


    Jonny Wilkinson
    andrewdcs wrote: »
    And another European, Dr. Heiter, could perform the operation. :eek:

    North Vs South was a one off game way back when wasnt it?

    Think it was for tsunami victims? We got thrashed anyway.


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