Pistol and knife on aircraft in Liverpool !

ScouseMouse

Drunk found with knife and pistol on a plane in liverpool.

Now maybe I am reading it wrong, but I see one big problem with this story.

HOW? Ok, it was hold luggage not carry on, but surely someone is supposed to be x-raying luggage.

I have travelled out of Liverpool airport a couple of times and know the security range from polite and efficient to downright ignorant. Assuming the details are correct, how was this allowed to happen?

How did a drunk guy get onto the plane with this in his luggage?

kona

superscouse wrote: »

Drunk found with knife and pistol on a plane in liverpool.

Now maybe I am reading it wrong, but I see one big problem with this story.

HOW? Ok, it was hold luggage not carry on, but surely someone is supposed to be x-raying luggage.

I have travelled out of Liverpool airport a couple of times and know the security range from polite and efficient to downright ignorant. Assuming the details are correct, how was this allowed to happen?

How did a drunk guy get onto the plane with this in his luggage?

First of all if it was in the hold, how did they know the bag belonged to a drunk?

Second of all how does anybody get that gear on a aircraft?

However I've brought back some bullet shells from the states and went thru security there, and heathrow and wasn't never picked up.

At least it wasn't cabin baggage!

ScouseMouse

But this article suggests there were no checks on the suitcase. Surely a pistol and knife would have shown up on any scan and ring alarm bells.

Maybe he was only tipsy getting on the plane, or maybe they thought he would just go to sleep once airbourne.

I still think someones head will be on the block over this.

kona

superscouse wrote: »

But this article suggests there were no checks on the suitcase. Surely a pistol and knife would have shown up on any scan and ring alarm bells.

Maybe he was only tipsy getting on the plane, or maybe they thought he would just go to sleep once airbourne.

I still think someones head will be on the block over this.

Doubt it to be honest, he had a knife in the hold which IMO is not an issue, I'd be more worried about the crew not knowing about the compressed gas in the hold from the gun. He can't get near them inflight so from that point of view it's not really an issue.

ScouseMouse

But surely a pistol in a suitcase, should/would be detected?

APM

The security staff were probably too busy taking a tube of toothpaste off a pilot that didn't fit inside the 100x100cm clear plastic bag or a yogurt because it was over 100ml in size to notice the knife going past them

derry

The airport security is sham even the security guys know that .In most all tests where cops or airport security will pose as travellers and take with them a fully loaded gun they have a 98% success rate in getting aboard the planes with the guns before leaving the planes having proved the success
The reality is that ther ewas never any hijackers in the 911 event in some cases the flight recorder exposed the pilots door were never opened in flight so no hijackers ever hijacked the 911 planes .I got friends who did airport security and for them its a job but they kno Hijackers are rarer than hens teeth and most hijacks end without planes entering high rise building and short of no passengers fly on planes its impossible to stop all hijacking.
Security is there as last line of defence but passenger profiling has also proved to nearly useless .The so called see through your cloths machines which give you cancer can also be fooled easily enough a expert exposed on one TV show how easy that was
The TSA in the USA who will put their hands down your pants feel your junk and even squeeze it to very its the real McKoy have put their hands down billions of pants in the USA and have caught zero terrorists in 11 years they been operating .However as the TSA often use the same glove for felling the junk of up to ten different people many people caught nasty sexual rashes type things even though some of them were kids or nuns etc who don't do sex.
I had small scissors the type they use for kids in nursery schools for cutting paper in my hand luggage going from mainland Europe to Dublin and the security guy waved me through with it .He wasn't stupid a 50 year old plus beer belly type like me wasn't going to Hijack a Irish plane to go to Cuba or somewhere with a toy scissors. He gave that look of the fecking edit's that invented this security system cant possibly know how to stop hijacking but its a job and f*(k the SOB in head office . In fact in Europe the security guys are with the program know its all a sham not like the dip sticks I often encounter in Dublin airport who wouldn't let you take so much a wooden tooth pick with you incase your gonna do 911 with a tooth pick .
The worst case I had was when I tried to take 10 kilos of Camembert cheese from France airport to Dublin . French security SOB wouldn't let me take it as hand luggage he said that it might be explosives even I randomly picked up a couple and stuffed my face with them .
They said it could go in the hold .It would cost me €60 to put them in the hold and I didn't have suitcase anyway and I had bought the lot for €20 so that wasn't likely . A few more eaten and the rest binned bet you the feckers dived into the bin when I was gone .
Stupid really if the Camembert was explosive it wouldn't matter if it was in the hold or the cabin so it rubbish this safety crap they just wanted me to part with €60 for luggage in the hold .
However since then many other French visits I have brought back 10 to 15 kilos of Camembert cheese back with me in my hand luggage no issues its just certain French airports are run by communists who want to control and are control freaks .
I have brought back from Spain several legs of salted pigs legs dirt cheap there €5 a kilo . Also one time brought in my hand luggage large shampoo bottle the cheapo €1 euro 1 liter bottle forgot I had it in my hand luggage sailed past all the security even they must have seen it .Didn't spot it until I got home LOL
Maybe the brits are waking up to reality as well like when was the last time drunk hijacked a plane in Europe .

Derry

kona

derry wrote: »

The airport security is sham even the security guys know that .In most all tests where cops or airport security will pose as travellers and take with them a fully loaded gun they have a 98% success rate in getting aboard the planes with the guns before leaving the planes having proved the success
The reality is that ther ewas never any hijackers in the 911 event in some cases the flight recorder exposed the pilots door were never opened in flight so no hijackers ever hijacked the 911 planes .I got friends who did airport security and for them its a job but they kno Hijackers are rarer than hens teeth and most hijacks end without planes entering high rise building and short of no passengers fly on planes its impossible to stop all hijacking.
Security is there as last line of defence but passenger profiling has also proved to nearly useless .The so called see through your cloths machines which give you cancer can also be fooled easily enough a expert exposed on one TV show how easy that was
The TSA in the USA who will put their hands down your pants feel your junk and even squeeze it to very its the real McKoy have put their hands down billions of pants in the USA and have caught zero terrorists in 11 years they been operating .However as the TSA often use the same glove for felling the junk of up to ten different people many people caught nasty sexual rashes type things even though some of them were kids or nuns etc who don't do sex.
I had small scissors the type they use for kids in nursery schools for cutting paper in my hand luggage going from mainland Europe to Dublin and the security guy waved me through with it .He wasn't stupid a 50 year old plus beer belly type like me wasn't going to Hijack a Irish plane to go to Cuba or somewhere with a toy scissors. He gave that look of the fecking edit's that invented this security system cant possibly know how to stop hijacking but its a job and f*(k the SOB in head office . In fact in Europe the security guys are with the program know its all a sham not like the dip sticks I often encounter in Dublin airport who wouldn't let you take so much a wooden tooth pick with you incase your gonna do 911 with a tooth pick .
The worst case I had was when I tried to take 10 kilos of Camembert cheese from France airport to Dublin . French security SOB wouldn't let me take it as hand luggage he said that it might be explosives even I randomly picked up a couple and stuffed my face with them .
They said it could go in the hold .It would cost me €60 to put them in the hold and I didn't have suitcase anyway and I had bought the lot for €20 so that wasn't likely . A few more eaten and the rest binned bet you the feckers dived into the bin when I was gone .
Stupid really if the Camembert was explosive it wouldn't matter if it was in the hold or the cabin so it rubbish this safety crap they just wanted me to part with €60 for luggage in the hold .
However since then many other French visits I have brought back 10 to 15 kilos of Camembert cheese back with me in my hand luggage no issues its just certain French airports are run by communists who want to control and are control freaks .
I have brought back from Spain several legs of salted pigs legs dirt cheap there €5 a kilo . Also one time brought in my hand luggage large shampoo bottle the cheapo €1 euro 1 liter bottle forgot I had it in my hand luggage sailed past all the security even they must have seen it .Didn't spot it until I got home LOL
Maybe the brits are waking up to reality as well like when was the last time drunk hijacked a plane in Europe .

Derry

Bring a empty coke bottle thru, and watch the hysteria lol

LoonyLovegood

I got a craft knife through security in both Dublin and Manchester before. I'd been using it for my art project, popped it in the schoolbag, used the schoolbag for clothes for the weekend and I never noticed it till I was back home. Yet they noticed a bottle of perfume (and made me pay £1 for the bloody plastic bag!), and a fork!

bk

Most airport security is what is called security theatre.

It is there to make people feel safer about travelling, but will do little to stop someone who is really determined to get something dodgy on the plane *

I always think of this when I hear stories like this:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AHZISoNlqAA

Take for example knives, you aren't allowed to take a knife on a plane, but they have no problem allowing you take a full bottle of Whiskey on the plane! Have you ever seen the damage a bottle of whiskey can do when smashed on some ones skull and then the deadliness of the resulting broken bottle. Far more dangerous then most knives.

The TSA at least recently were planning to rightfully allow small knives on planes again, but it has now been delayed due to the kneejerk reaction from the media in the US.

After 9/11, despite billions spent, only two things actually improved security.

Firstly the locked metal cockpit doors which stop hijackers from getting at the pilots/flight controls.

Secondly passengers awareness of terrorist. Pre 9/11 terrorists usually hijacked planes and traded the hostages. So advice to passengers was keep your head down if a terrorist popped up. That all changed with 9/11, now passengers are hyper vigilant and would quickly attack and subdue any terrorists looking to capture a plane. In fact that even happened on 9/11 when the passengers of the 4th hijacked plane heard that the other planes were crashed into buildings and they tackled the terrorists on their plane (unfortunately the plane still crashed, the terrorists had already taken the cockpit and had control of the aircraft, something that would be mcuh harder to do today, due to the cockpit door):

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_Airlines_Flight_93#Passenger_revolt

Since then, the two attempted bombings of aircraft (the shoe bomber and the underpants bomber) have been foiled by passengers and crew, not the TSA. Pretty much proving the point.

Ironically in one way the TSA has actually reduced the effectiveness of security. It has been proven that the new full body nude scanners actually have blind spots that allow someone to hide a gun or knife that would have easily been spotted by the old style metal detectors.

A gun and knife in a bag in the hold really aren't a danger at all. In fact you are allowed to carry knifes in checked in baggage all the time (I do myself while hiking) and in the US a gun too with the correct documents.

So I assume the x-rays operators don't specifically look for these in checked luggage, instead looking for bombs and drugs.

* The one exception being Israel, now that is damn thorough security. But interestingly, I had a bottle of water with me. They took it, wiped it down with a bomb detector and returned it to me! No bother bringing it on the plane. Ironically I was made dump it when I transferred at CDG.

So even the Israelis aren't particularly worried about liquid bombs.

Even if liquid bombs were realistically possible (there are serious doubts they are), it would be trivial to sneak enough through. Just have a few terrorists go through with their 100ml bottles full of the stuff, then buy a bigger bottle in duty free and mix them all together in the toilets in the airport before the flight.

IRLConor

APM wrote: »

The security staff were probably too busy taking a tube of toothpaste off a pilot that didn't fit inside the 100x100cm clear plastic bag or a yogurt because it was over 100ml in size to notice the knife going past them

I presume that's how my Swiss army knife flew (at least) DUB-ORD-PDX-ORD-DUB-ORD-SFO-ORD-DUB-BHX in my carry-on before being finally spotted in BHX. It wasn't a deliberate attempt to evade security, the tool just lived in my everyday bag and I never really thought about taking it out.

There's also a folding scissors on one of my sets of keys which has flown at least 50,000km in carry-on without anyone spotting it. Again, it's not a deliberate attempt to evade security, I just haven't been arsed to remove it from the keychain and I don't like checking in keys.