The Gardai and the sports coach...

Smiley Burnett

just catching up on this story now and it seems that the gardai have a lot of questions to answer allegedly....they spoke to this coach back in 80's and told him to seek treatment and that was the end of the matter allegedly...if this story broke concerning a priest/christian brother and we heard that the bishop dealt with the story in a similar fashion, there would be uproar!!!

kerry4sam

Smiley Burnett wrote: »

just catching up on this story now and it seems that the gardai have a lot of questions to answer allegedly....they spoke to this coach back in 80's and told him to seek treatment and that was the end of the matter allegedly...if this story broke concerning a priest/christian brother and we heard that the bishop dealt with the story in a similar fashion, there would be uproar!!!

Do you have a link to provide more facts about this? I am curious about the background and full story to this.

Thanks,
kerry4sam

Smiley Burnett

http://www.independent.ie/irish-news/sports-coach-admits-abuse-of-underage-teen-boys-29217519.html

kerry4sam

Smiley Burnett wrote: »

http://www.independent.ie/irish-news/sports-coach-admits-abuse-of-underage-teen-boys-29217519.html

Thank You. I'll follow and see what comes of this investigation.

ziedth

Almost goes without saying but please don't post (or even hint) at any names.

Its a truly sickening story. I'm of the opinion that anyone who covers for child abuse is just as guilty.

Royal Legend

Its amazing that there is not more about this story. As you said, if this had been linked to the Church, it would be in the headlines nearly everyday.
This person had "connections". If the allegations are true, could this be why it was dealt with the way it was by the garda allegedly.
Also, did anyone in the club know about the allegations? You would think not, going by the fact that he is still an honary member of the club, or did past club members believe the allegations were false?

Also, why would this person come out and make this statement. its a strange state of affairs if you ask me.

wmpdd3

Truly sickening that these victims did not get justice in the 80s.

Just thinking how their lives could have been different, knowing that the person that took their youth had been brought to justice.

How could these victims have a relationship with those in authority in their lives knowing that a vile abuser could escape scot free.

kensutz

For anyone paranoid about their kids going out training and playing matches now, there's Garda vetting that needs to be done by any adult involved in a club. The GAA have started it and anybody coaching or taking the role as a mentor will have to be Garda vetted before they get involved in a club.

Other sports are following suit and it will soon be voted in by government that any adult involved with a club will have to complete the vetting and also attend child welfare courses.

Royal Legend

kensutz wrote: »

For anyone paranoid about their kids going out training and playing matches now, there's Garda vetting that needs to be done by any adult involved in a club. The GAA have started it and anybody coaching or taking the role as a mentor will have to be Garda vetted before they get involved in a club.

Other sports are following suit and it will soon be voted in by government that any adult involved with a club will have to complete the vetting and also attend child welfare courses.

Do you really think that Garda vetting solves this? The form is a joke IMO.
By the way Garda vetting was going on in other sports long before the GAA took it on board. Do the Garda really check these forms properly and do they have the resource to really handle the enormous amount of paperwork being generated by sports clubs in relation to vetting?

kerry4sam

ziedth wrote: »

Almost goes without saying but please don't post (or even hint) at any names.

Its a truly sickening story. I'm of the opinion that anyone who covers for child abuse is just as guilty.

That does go without saying, especially so if it is an active investigation.

I just don't know how someone can take away a childs' innocence and for then to allegedly be told, "just take some councelling" just sickens me tbh!

Anyone who covers any form of abuse is guilty in my eyes too. I've been bullied and harassed, even in my adult years, and anyone who condones and has stood aside while it happened and not took action is guilty in my eyes & not just those who took part.

Not The Real Scarecrow

Did this happen in Waterford? Can't see anythig about the location of where it supposed to have happened.

Royal Legend

Meatwad wrote: »

Did this happen in Waterford? Can't see anythig about the location of where it supposed to have happened.

Yes, unfortunately.

kensutz

Royal Legend wrote: »

Do you really think that Garda vetting solves this? The form is a joke IMO.
By the way Garda vetting was going on in other sports long before the GAA took it on board. Do the Garda really check these forms properly and do they have the resource to really handle the enormous amount of paperwork being generated by sports clubs in relation to vetting?

Did I say it's going to resolve all problems? No! Yes it was going on in other sports but the GAA have far higher numbers vetted compared to other sports. I've been vetted by Munster Rugby and the GAA for my work.

Potential-Monke

Not defending the Gardai here, but there could have been a number of reasons that a trial didn't go ahead, such as insufficient evidence or failure for someone to make a statement of complaint. Also, something has to be proven beyond a reasonable doubt in a criminal court, and if it can't be proven it won't even get to court. It also happens quite regularly that someone would make a statement of sexual assault, but withdraw it later on. As for the Gardai saying to him to get some counselling, it was probably a "we know you done it but can't prove it" statement.

Anyway, if there is sufficient evidence, he will be brought to court and as far as i can tell from that article, he's admitting guilt so should be a fairly simple case (in terms of sexual assault cases).

As for the vetting forms, yes, i'd say the Gardai do check these to the smallest detail, as it would fall back on them should something happen and there was a history. There's a seperate vetting unit in Thurles dedicated to vetting alone.

Dicky Pride

Has he been named yet?

kerry4sam

Potential-Monke wrote: »

Not defending the Gardai here, but there could have been a number of reasons that a trial didn't go ahead, such as insufficient evidence or failure for someone to make a statement of complaint. Also, something has to be proven beyond a reasonable doubt in a criminal court, and if it can't be proven it won't even get to court. It also happens quite regularly that someone would make a statement of sexual assault, but withdraw it later on. As for the Gardai saying to him to get some counselling, it was probably a "we know you done it but can't prove it" statement.

Anyway, if there is sufficient evidence, he will be brought to court and as far as i can tell from that article, he's admitting guilt so should be a fairly simple case (in terms of sexual assault cases).

As for the vetting forms, yes, i'd say the Gardai do check these to the smallest detail, as it would fall back on them should something happen and there was a history. There's a seperate vetting unit in Thurles dedicated to vetting alone.

He made a confession to members of An Garda Síochána of having inappropriate relations with underage teenage boys and yet is still an active member of a sports association. Something not right about that!

Their are members of An Garda Síochána who know who this man is so can anyone tell me: is their not a duty of care to members of the public in this instance regardless of whether those he abused in the 80's are willing or able to make a statement to take action and ask this man to withdraw membership of whatever local sports association he is involved with? Or is that just pending outcome of an investisation, eventhough he has admitted to having inappropriate relations with underage teenage boys?!

I am just confused as to how this is has gone on for so long without action being taken to assist those young teenage boys who were abused by a person in a postion of power.

daenerysstormborn3

Dicky Pride wrote: »

Has he been named yet?

Yes.

Dicky Pride

pixiebean22 wrote: »

Yes.

Where? (i don't particularly want to know his name, but I'd be interested in where he was publicly named)

Royal Legend

Dicky Pride wrote: »

Where? (i don't particularly want to know his name, but I'd be interested in where he was publicly named)

I don't think he has been named yet in the public domain as it is an ongoing case and no charges have been produced as of yet, a lot of people know who he is allegedly, I hope that the name being bandied around is correct, otherwise it will completely demonise an innocent person.

kensutz

Dicky Pride wrote: »

Where? (i don't particularly want to know his name, but I'd be interested in where he was publicly named)

Locally but not in media.

decies

Somebody told me they saw his name being mentioned in a Sunday newspaper , not going to mention name but know of him from years back , and my personal experience of him the words unsavourary character come to mind, what his interests were and pedalling those interests with teenage boys.

deisemum

I heard he was named in one of yesterday's tabloid newspapers but I didn't read anything myself.

daenerysstormborn3

I was told it was in the Sunday World, along with a photo but his face was blurred out.

deisemum

pixiebean22 wrote: »

I was told it was in the Sunday World, along with a photo but his face was blurred out.

I was told the same.

deisediva

Have the Sunday world here he is named in it and his picture is blurry.

Motivator

If this guy has been named in the paper then you should have a right to inform people of his name here. I have two sons under the age of 12 who play soccer, gaelic football & hurling in the city. As a parent I think I deserve to be made aware of this mans name. If it has appeared in newspapers along with a bloody photo then there is no problem nameing & shameing. Even take a photo of the newspaper article & post it up here.

Mr Tibbs

Motivator wrote: »

If this guy has been named in the paper then you should have a right to inform people of his name here. I have two sons under the age of 12 who play soccer, gaelic football & hurling in the city. As a parent I think I deserve to be made aware of this mans name. If it has appeared in newspapers along with a bloody photo then there is no problem nameing & shameing. Even take a photo of the newspaper article & post it up here.

The difference is if the Sunday World gets sued they will still make another story out of this.

Dicky Pride

Maybe the News and Star will name him tomorrow.

Stokolan

Just looking at the page now. Never heard of the chap.

Potential-Monke

kerry4sam wrote: »

He made a confession to members of An Garda Síochána of having inappropriate relations with underage teenage boys and yet is still an active member of a sports association. Something not right about that!

Their are members of An Garda Síochána who know who this man is so can anyone tell me: is their not a duty of care to members of the public in this instance regardless of whether those he abused in the 80's are willing or able to make a statement to take action and ask this man to withdraw membership of whatever local sports association he is involved with? Or is that just pending outcome of an investisation, eventhough he has admitted to having inappropriate relations with underage teenage boys?!

I am just confused as to how this is has gone on for so long without action being taken to assist those young teenage boys who were abused by a person in a postion of power.

Unfortunately, an admission of guilt is just not enough any more to secure a conviction. There was precedent set a good while ago that an admission alone is not enough, and all evidence needs to be produced before a conviction can be made. This would usually always need to include a statement of complaint (new legislation allows the conviction to go ahead without a statement of complaint if there is other CCTV/witness evidence). It was basically to stop people admitting guilt to a crime committed by another for whatever reason.

I agree, should it be true, he should be removed from anything to do with children, but until it's proven nothing can be done for fear of unfair treatment. Sad, but true.

kensutz

Motivator wrote: »

If this guy has been named in the paper then you should have a right to inform people of his name here. I have two sons under the age of 12 who play soccer, gaelic football & hurling in the city. As a parent I think I deserve to be made aware of this mans name.

Not involved in any of those sports. Naming him here leaves the site open for a case in the courts.

moans3536

I am aware you can't name this individual but could someone inform us as to what sport,scouts ,club,he is/was involved in.

gowley

he was named in a sunday newspaper with full interview

Captain Havoc

I've deleted posts mentioning the sport as it it narrows it down a bit too much.

bluesfan

What I cant understand is, they blurred his picture so he couldn't be identified, then named him and the club he coached for in the article?

Yes Boss

It is on the front page of this weeks News & Star - Name and picture.

Tim the Enchanter

Given who this guy allegedly is, there are some serious questions to be answered not only by the Gardai, but also in some political circles in Waterford as to why and how this admission of guilt was kept from the public for over 25 years.

decies

A lot of people snapping the front page of news and star in tesco , manipulative little man he is !!!!

tonc76

decies wrote: »

A lot of people snapping the front page of news and star in tesco , manipulative little man he is !!!!

Anyone able to do same and post the pic here?

Sully

We can't allow, for copyright reasons, scans of the paper on public view. But they are needed as a source when someone is being named, so in such events send the mods the pic of the paper and wait for the nod to post the name.

In this case, I just want to double check with the mods and higher authorities on Boards what is and isn't allowed legally. Since his name is very much in the public domain, ill close this until I get to chat with the mods.

This is being done to cover Boards.ie and you the users. This is something I can't ever recall dealing with as a mod on Boards, so please understand I need to check things over with the lads.

Topic Closed

The Hill Billy

Hi All:

We (local mods & cat mods) requested input from Boards HQ on this matter & were advised to keep this thread closed.

The reason being that it may prejudice the person involved, & compromise any future case that may be taken in regard to the allegations.
While an individual has been named & pictured in the media, he remains innocent until proven guilty in a court of law.
The newspapers may have the funds to deal with a defamation case like this should he be found not-guilty in court, we most definitely don't.

Thanks for your understanding.

tHB