New suckler scheme/ beef data programme.

iron man

anyone any ideas on where to get the applications for this new scheme that was announced. Closing date is coming up rapidly...?????

i have checked the websites but cant find it.....

tanko

Application forms aren't out yet, they should be out later this week.

cowbox

http://www.agriculture.gov.ie/press/pressreleases/2013/april/title,69758,en.html

vanderbadger

anyone able to add details online yet?

towzer2010

vanderbadger wrote: »

anyone able to add details online yet?

I cant anyway. I get the message below even though they wrote out to me saying my herd was in the BDP. This is on the ICBF site.

"The Department of Agriculture has not yet verified that your herd is in the Beef Data Programme"

hugo29

vanderbadger wrote: »

anyone able to add details online yet?

still stating that facility will be available shortly

i can log information tru ICBF website

got paid for 2012 SCWS this week too

redzerologhlen

vanderbadger wrote: »

anyone able to add details online yet?

Im after recording a heap off stuff on icbf there now but its still saying The Department of Agriculture has not yet verified that your herd is in the Beef Data Programme

vanderbadger

redzerologhlen wrote: »

Im after recording a heap off stuff on icbf there now but its still saying The Department of Agriculture has not yet verified that your herd is in the Beef Data Programme

mine say no application on file:mad:
i definitely signed the form there back in may i think..fcuk it i better ring them

whelan1

i put in all the details last night on icbf, didnt notice anything from dept, should i go onto agfood and check?

hugo29

whelan1 wrote: »

i put in all the details last night on icbf, didnt notice anything from dept, should i go onto agfood and check?

you prob same as me, i can put all info into ICBF, but can do nothing via agfood, when i try agfood it says will be available shortly

whelan1

hugo29 wrote: »

you prob same as me, i can put all info into ICBF, but can do nothing via agfood, when i try agfood it says will be available shortly

but if you have all the data on icbf what do you have to do on agfood?

vanderbadger

got thru..finally
they tell me they have my application so should be fine, say data should be able to go in thru agfood site next week or use icbf site currently

hugo29

whelan1 wrote: »

but if you have all the data on icbf what do you have to do on agfood?

was going to say nothing i presume, just another way of recording info but vander has just confirmed that

whelan1

hugo29 wrote: »

was going to say nothing i presume, just another way of recording info but vander has just confirmed that

thanks, i didnt see any letters as all the suckler stuff goes to my dad, do i need to do anything else apart from that info?

blue5000

Whelan what have you put in so far?

whelan1

blue5000 wrote: »

Whelan what have you put in so far?

just all the docility, etc , for calves , cows and bulls it says 100% of available requirements completed

towzer2010

whelan1 wrote: »

thanks, i didnt see any letters as all the suckler stuff goes to my dad, do i need to do anything else apart from that info?

Don't think so. That's all I did anyway. To make sure you are on it you could check on agfood under single farm payment there is an option for Beef Data Program and if you click View/Enter the two check box's should be ticked.

hugo29

whelan1 wrote: »

thanks, i didnt see any letters as all the suckler stuff goes to my dad, do i need to do anything else apart from that info?

Im not sure as its really badly explained, all i have done is completed all the sections on the ICBF website so far, although I got a letter a while back saying i needed to compete detail for 2 calves even though this had been done

whelan1

At least you can't put in data for dead calves on this one

Bodacious

anyone still getting this on ICBF?

"The Department of Agriculture has not yet verified that your herd is in the Beef Data Programme"

I had to sign a permission form for them to access my herd info and be part of the beef data scheme as I did my SFP application online and ticked the beef data box, im presuming processing this signed letter is holding proceedings up?

bogman_bass

I'm getting the same

LivInt20

You can now enter data on the Dept Agriculture website, Beef Data section.

onyerbikepat

Can you do it for stock you have already sold?

redzerologhlen

onyerbikepat wrote: »

Can you do it for stock you have already sold?

I had calves solad three weeks ago and I only filled it in the other day. Dont know whether that answers your question or not though.

blue5000

HTF are we supposed to know how much milk a suckler cow has?

• If you weigh the calves before weaning, and she has a light calf, how do we know 2 other calves weren't suckling her?
• If her calf goes off suckling any cow that stands and it puts on 1.7 kg a day does that mean she is a good milky cow?
• If a bunch of cows were grazing heather on the side of a mountain, they won't have much milk will they?

Figerty

blue5000 wrote: »

HTF are we supposed to know how much milk a suckler cow has?

• If you weigh the calves before weaning, and she has a light calf, how do we know 2 other calves weren't suckling her?
• If her calf goes off suckling any cow that stands and it puts on 1.7 kg a day does that mean she is a good milky cow?
• If a bunch of cows were grazing heather on the side of a mountain, they won't have much milk will they?

Thought the same thing.
I have CH with plenty milk to rear a calf.. but they wouldn't make dairy cows... so where do they rank..
The other answers is you don't know.. you can only give an educated guess.

onyerbikepat

An eduacated guess is all they want. Even if it only divides cows for good and bad milk, it will help with identifying maternal bulls. Reliability figures are always low for milk. I guess that's why.

hugo29

See as well any information I had entered on icbf has not transferred over to agfood

jfh

hi all,
just wondering if there was any update on this;
when i log into ICBF, get the following message,
The Department of Agriculture has not yet verified that your herd is in the Beef Data Programme

i did tick the acceptence box on Agfood a while back & have been recording the calf details re Docility, milk etc.

i know i could ring the helpdesk , but wondering if ye have the same issue first.

thanks

onyerbikepat

OK, I just filled up all the data on-line on agfood.ie .
Firstly, I already filled in the data on the cows before in the old scheme. Why do I have to do it again?
It also wants data on a calf that died about 6 hours after birth. He looked like a fine bull but not sure on his docility.

redzerologhlen

onyerbikepat wrote: »

OK, I just filled up all the data on-line on agfood.ie .
Firstly, I already filled in the data on the cows before in the old scheme. Why do I have to do it again?
It also wants data on a calf that died about 6 hours after birth. He looked like a fine bull but not sure on his docility.

Extremely quiet!!

reps4

has it been stated anywhere that we have to resubmit all info already put into ICBF or will it transfer automatically

onyerbikepat

It's a bit of a mess, isn't it. The scoring system I got on a letter is different from that on-line at agfood.ie. The words used are different, like good , very good etc for the Cows Milk & Docility etc.

redzerologhlen

onyerbikepat wrote: »

It's a bit of a mess, isn't it. The scoring system I got on a letter is different from that on-line at agfood.ie. The words used are different, like good , very good etc for the Cows Milk & Docility etc.

Has everyone got a letter? I never heard anything back from it.....

Bodacious

redzerologhlen wrote: »

Has everyone got a letter? I never heard anything back from it.....

I've got no letter / questionnaire .. Icbf or Agfood won't let me input any info either .. Must ring them

hugo29

redzerologhlen wrote: »

Has everyone got a letter? I never heard anything back from it.....

i got no letter, gotta query letter a while back asking i fill in details for 2 animals which i had filled in on ICBF previously

reps4 wrote: »

has it been stated anywhere that we have to resubmit all info already put into ICBF or will it transfer automatically

i filled in both anyway, just in case

Bleating Lamb

redzerologhlen wrote: »

Extremely quiet!!

onyerbikepat wrote: »

OK, I just filled up all the data on-line on agfood.ie .
Firstly, I already filled in the data on the cows before in the old scheme. Why do I have to do it again?
It also wants data on a calf that died about 6 hours after birth. He looked like a fine bull but not sure on his docility.

that's to see if you have moody cows that take moody swings;)

redzerologhlen

Bodacious wrote: »

I've got no letter / questionnaire .. Icbf or Agfood won't let me input any info either .. Must ring them

I put in all the info on icbf a few weeks back alright but never heard anything before or after doing it.

Bodacious

redzerologhlen wrote: »

I put in all the info on icbf a few weeks back alright but never heard anything before or after doing it.

prob takes them a while to process info.. only letter I signed was a letter giving them my permission to use my data off of icbf as I had ticked beef data box on my online application and not signed anywhere

Dozer1

I filled all the info in on agfood and got another letter like mentioned above, suppose better to fill it out and send it back just in case

redzerologhlen

Bodacious wrote: »

prob takes them a while to process info.. only letter I signed was a letter giving them my permission to use my data off of icbf as I had ticked beef data box on my online application and not signed anywhere

Ya thats the last letter we got in relation to it too.

reps4

anybody get paid for '13 yet or heard when it will be paid.