Graffiti, Art or animals marking territory?

foggy_lad

I saw a 3 car 22000 on monday afternoon in a sorry state passing through Carlow. It was destroyed with graffiti. At least half the train was destroyed with this mindless crap.

It costs the country and irish rail milions every year to clean up so is enough being done to make these scumbags pay for their damage or should society just lock them away?

How do IR remove that amount of paint? Does it require a respray or can it be treated with anti graffiti chemicals? Any info on railway graffiti would be appreciated.

Cookie_Monster

Animals plain and simple. All graffiti too, there is no excuse to deface someone elses property with mindless scrawlings, no matter how artist it may be.

gobnaitolunacy

Ah tis terrible, Joe.

corktina

trouble is it is getting recognised as an Art Form nowadays.... to me , Vandalism same as smashing someones windows

flyingsnail

corktina wrote: »

trouble is it is getting recognised as an Art Form nowadays.... to me , Vandalism same as smashing someones windows

I would be willing to bet that those who recognise it as “Art” never had to clean it off the side of a carriage.

Judgement Day

flyingsnail wrote: »

I would be willing to be that those who recognise it as “Art” never had to clean it off the side of a carriage.

Indeed, and that should be part of their punishment in the unlikely event of a conviction.

gobnaitolunacy

corktina wrote: »

trouble is it is getting recognised as an Art Form nowadays.... to me , Vandalism same as smashing someones windows

Calling all taggers, Corktina's front wall....

corktina

they'd better not touch my front wall, built by Workhouse inmates during the famine period....smash my windows instead please!

donegal.

the vast majority of it is mindless crap. But to be fair some of it's fantastic. I'd never want to see it on trains or your workhouse wall etc. but i've seen some squalid areas where the graffiti made a huge improvement.

topnotch

There is a similar fascination in US with regard to trespassing on railway property and riding freight trains the so called hobo lifestyle.
The Polaroid kidd has a new book out.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/artanddesign/gallery/2013/mar/30/mike-brodie-juvenile-train-rider-photos-in-

this guy has a similar story

http://myhappyhobodays.homestead.com/Story.html

there is a story below about a girl trying to hitch a ride on a train with two pals
slipped and her two legs were severed. Horrific stuff :eek:

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2034691/Anna-Beninati-loses-legs-friends-try-train-hop.html

purplepanda

Most European cities seem to have this problem :mad:

Rome is the worst that I've seen a couple of years back, really makes a bad impression for visitors. :eek:

What's worse is when train companies keep the defaced carriages in service, because then the criminal morons get their supposed "artwork" shown all over the transport network & this encourages other like minded cretins to vandalise more transport infrastructure. ::mad:

The substantial costs of refurbishing carriages & stations should mean that those caught should get adequate jail sentences & are made to pay towards costs of clean up.

The costs must be substantial from this damage & so should the punishment for offenders in response!

Michael D Not Higgins

foggy_lad wrote: »

How do IR remove that amount of paint? Does it require a respray or can it be treated with anti graffiti chemicals? Any info on railway graffiti would be appreciated.

The 22000s have a clear anti-graffiti coating which means it can be removed without damaging the underlying paint. IÉ usually have a procedure to pull sets with graffiti on them, was the train you saw in passenger service?

gobnaitolunacy

Judgement Day wrote: »

Indeed, and that should be part of their punishment in the unlikely event of a conviction.

Can you see a bunch of toerags being admitted to and given a H&S induction in Portlaoise Traincare??

Partizan

Wasnt there a chap called 'KONK' who got caught a couple of years ago? His work if I could call it that appeared in Dublin, especially on walls and around stations. I thought I saw his sig on a train.

MGWR

foggy_lad wrote: »

I saw a 3 car 22000 on monday afternoon in a sorry state passing through Carlow. It was destroyed with graffiti. At least half the train was destroyed with this mindless crap.

It costs the country and irish rail milions every year to clean up so is enough being done to make these scumbags pay for their damage or should society just lock them away?

How do IR remove that amount of paint? Does it require a respray or can it be treated with anti graffiti chemicals? Any info on railway graffiti would be appreciated.

When it gets as bad as this, give David Gunn a call. He was the man who implemented the New York Subway's graffiti fight-back programme.

foggy_lad

Michael D Not Higgins wrote: »

The 22000s have a clear anti-graffiti coating which means it can be removed without damaging the underlying paint. IÉ usually have a procedure to pull sets with graffiti on them, was the train you saw in passenger service?

It was in service afaik coming from waterford so may have been returning from an early service from Dublin which it was not possible to change? It may have been taken off to be cleaned on its return to Heuston.

triple-M

http://lostinthemood.files.wordpress.com/2012/02/image-6.jpg

I know the pic is a few years old but when I saw this I was in shock just because of how big it was

CaptainSkidmark

trains or anything railway here in holland is usually riddled in it, its rotten looking i think

The_Wanderer

A 6 car and a 3 car set were graffitied in Waterford last weekend.

I do know the 6 car set took a large amount of man hours to be cleaned at LTCD. An otherwise good train which could have been out in revenue service stopped plus man hours which could have been better spent on more pressing tasks because of some idiots with nothing better to do.

The Wanderer.

foggy_lad

The idiots involved in this type of thing are usually well educated and from reasonably well to do families but there is often a serious lack of parenting skills!

gobnaitolunacy

The Cobh/Midleton bridges and retaining walls are starting to resemble somewhere in the Bronx.

Looks like when a couple of scummers start doing it, it seems to attract more.

Stella Virgo

low life scum.they do it in the dead of night on some one elses property,then run home to mammy.

flyingsnail

Warning: Turn off the sound, the choice of music is beyond terrible and contains some NSFW lyrics.
I think this perfectly illustrates the crap they put everywhere.

gobnaitolunacy

What kind of an eegit signs himself as 'Cyst'?
At least that was one of the more legible ones.

Judgement Day

Graffiti is just another sign - ignored by those in authority - of the ongoing breakdown in law and order. As regards the railway, CIE/IE have a responsibility to look after buildings and other infrastructure in their care and if those at the top can't do it, they should be sacked. Graffiti should be removed within 24 hours of it being put up; those responsible should be apprehended put through the courts and then given community service cleaning off their work. If the Gardai can't apprehend them perhaps the army could use the staking out of target areas as a training exercise. Will it happen - no - much easier to wring hands and pontificate about the problem.

Eiretrains

An old 'Great Northern' signalman manned Mosney cabin towards the end, just as well he's probably not still around as one wonders what he'd make of the defaced signal cabin now!

Cookie_Monster

foggy_lad wrote: »

The idiots involved in this type of thing are usually well educated and from reasonably well to do families but there is often a serious lack of parenting skills!

your proof of this as opposed to it being the usual suspects? - the lower social class (polite term)

foggy_lad

Cookie_Monster wrote: »

your proof of this as opposed to it being the usual suspects? - the lower social class (polite term)

Could most people laugh off a 15000 dollar fine in Australia?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=huXafA674Wo

http://www.independent.ie/irish-news/courts/graffiti-artists-who-caused-32000-in-damage-thought-public-would-be-interested-29143958.html

TWO teenagers caused over €32,000 worth of damage to trams, train carriages and buses because they thought there would be public interest in their street art, a court has heard.

<snip>

Magaharan of Monalea Park, Firhouse and Johnson of Priory Walk, Whitehall Road in Terenure, each pleaded guilty at Dublin Circuit Criminal Court to four charges of criminal damage on dates between September 2011 and January 2012.

Not exactly poor neighbourhoods

http://www.irishexaminer.com/breakingnews/ireland/suspended-sentence-for-wicklow-graffiti-artist-382716.html

http://blogs.artinfo.com/artintheair/2012/10/18/artist-employed-by-london-olympics-convicted-of-graffiti-vandalism/
40 year olds should know better.

http://www.bexleytimes.co.uk/news/sidcup_graffiti_artist_convicted_after_seven_year_spree_1_2019301
This guy was an accounts manager!

http://drugsinfonewslineireland.wordpress.com/2009/02/14/london-graffiti-artist-to-protest-at-royal-courts/

Michael D Not Higgins

Foggy, would it not be fair to say that the media are more likely to report incidents where more 'well to do' people are caught? That media reporting doesn't cover the entire range of those who graffiti?

Trev De rev

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pFmLVtSqQo0&feature=youtube_gdata_player

Losty Dublin

Judgement Day wrote: »

Graffiti is just another sign - ignored by those in authority - of the ongoing breakdown in law and order. As regards the railway, CIE/IE have a responsibility to look after buildings and other infrastructure in their care and if those at the top can't do it, they should be sacked. Graffiti should be removed within 24 hours of it being put up; those responsible should be apprehended put through the courts and then given community service cleaning off their work. If the Gardai can't apprehend them perhaps the army could use the staking out of target areas as a training exercise. Will it happen - no - much easier to wring hands and pontificate about the problem.

A year ago, I saw spray painted lettering on no less a building than Tailor's Hall; it's a problem that not just CIE have to face up to.

If I caught anybody writing on my property I'd take good pleasure in sitting them down and making them write their own name down onto paper. They should have the need to be autographing their name out of systems after a couple of thousand times.

gobnaitolunacy

Losty Dublin wrote: »

If I caught anybody writing on my property I'd take good pleasure in sitting them down and making them write their own name down onto paper. They should have the need to be autographing their name out of systems after a couple of thousand times.

Something like this....?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IIAdHEwiAy8