Discussion: Technical and training threads

Mellor

Has anybody got an opinion regarding posting of more threads that are focused on more technical issues, such as techniques and training?

It's one thing that I notice is missing from the forum.
Obviously the forum gets along fine without it. Maybe there's a historical reason why its not done, maybe it was tried and failed. I like the forum as it is. I basically use it to keep an eye on the BJJ scene at home. I enjoy having a read through the threads on other styles and stuff. And its obvious we have lots of talent martial artists lurking. But it feel like the only threads that really coax people out of the woodwork are "Style vrs Style" and "MMA vrs TMA" threads, or else wind up threads (most of use should know better than to get involved but we still so).
It struck me that the effort would be better spent on informative threads.


Obviously, forums aren't the best medium to explain technical movements, but videos are freely available. Even something as a sticky thread with good quality videos would be beneficial.

tritium

I don't know if there's a reason why it's not there already (probably haven't been posting here long enough) but I think it's an excellent idea. There are a few other forums that have sections like this and theyre really useful. Certainly something similar to some if the fitness forums, covering technique, stretching, nutrition, maybe training logs etc would interest me. A lot of info on thisstuff has already been posted on here in the past but it's always a (minor) hassle to find it

arybvtcw0eolkf

Great idea.

It hasn't been tried before, but I can see huge benefits from it.

Dyr

I can see this ending differently to every other similar thread that's been started here.

An no, only joking. I can't.

p to the e

I think Barry (oh how we miss thee) had a thread a while back going through BJJ techniques based on the alphabet and that was quite popular. Do you mean something similar to this?

Mellor

p to the e wrote: »

I think Barry (oh how we miss thee) had a thread a while back going through BJJ techniques based on the alphabet and that was quite popular. Do you mean something similar to this?

Yeah, exactly stuff like that.
I thought the BJJ alphabeth was great tbh, I rember asking Barry before if he was going to continue it.
Tom, over to you I think

slammer187

I think you would get more threads like this if there was a grappling forum, more nerds would converge there to discuss thing like concepts from the guard or the intricacies of the cross choke etc....

Peetrik

I think this was suggested before and there was some doubt over a few issues...

• Counter productive info due to crossed purposes re training goals (fitness/competition/da streez)
• Walter Mittys posting nonsense
• Competitors giving away sensitive info (injuries etc prior to events)

... to name but a few. Might work as a private/invite only forum for regular posters although it would be much duller than here with all the handbag fights

Dave 101

Mellor wrote: »

Yeah, exactly stuff like that.
I thought the BJJ alphabeth was great tbh, I rember asking Barry before if he was going to continue it.
Tom, over to you I think

alphabet was great... nothing stopping anybody starting it again from scratch or finishing it of with youtube vids ?

Dyr

Peetrik wrote: »

I think this was suggested before and there was some doubt over a few issues...

• Counter productive info due to crossed purposes re training goals (fitness/competition/da streez)
• Walter Mittys posting nonsense
• Competitors giving away sensitive info (injuries etc prior to events)

... to name but a few. Might work as a private/invite only forum for regular posters although it would be much duller than here with all the handbag fights

True about crossed purposes but also bear in mind this forum tends to be focussed on the local aspect of martial arts in Ireland, what's on, where can I train, does anyone know of such and such. Other topics tend to be a waste of effort.

If I wanted to discuss the finer points of training in a specific martial art it would be in a forum that's dedicated to that subject with people who are au fait with the topic.

darced

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cowzerp

Wax on Wax off.

pearsquasher

Jeez just start a technical thread already..its the internetz.... what could possible go wrong?

Damo W

It is work a shot!

Gumbi

The invite only thing is interesting. I hadn't considered some of the problems that may be associated with such an idea. I definitely think there are great benefits to be had from such a discussion.

But it must be executed properly, otherwise it will become a huge argument, style vs style etc etc and general cluster****ery.

I'd suggest a specified protocol for posting?, maybe A description of a technique, how it's applied, where it should be applied (context is important) etc etc Criticism must be constructive too.

Doug Cartel

If you have something you want to post, please just post it. You don't need to invent new rules and protocols. Just post and if there are problems, we will fix them up.

Gumbi

Doug Cartel wrote: »

If you have something you want to post, please just post it. You don't need to invent new rules and protocols. Just post and if there are problems, we will fix them up.

I'm only trying to address some probs before they arise (something that's likely). Otherwise a thread might degrade rapidly. Just a suggestion., especially if we were to make some kind of megathread for it...

Doug Cartel

Gumbi wrote: »

I'm only trying to address some probs before they arise

If you want to see technique threads, stop addressing non-existent problems and post a technique thread.

Gumbi

Doug Cartel wrote: »

If you want to see technique threads, stop addressing non-existent problems and post a technique thread.

I didn't say I wanted one, I said it might be a cool idea. I then proceeded to agree with another poster that issues might arise (Peetrik seemed to imply that such issues had actually arisen before).

Doug Cartel

Gumbi wrote: »

I didn't say I wanted one

OK...

I said it might be a cool idea.

Right, it's not something you want to see, but you do think it would be a cool idea.

I really don't like being mod here a lot of the time.

I then proceeded to agree with another poster that issues might arise (Peetrik seemed to imply that such issues had actually arisen before).

If you want , we could sit around and invent 100, no wait, 1000 issues that might arise. Hell let's go for broke and think of 1000000 issues that might arise.

Nobody post any technique threads until we've met the quota, OK?

Gumbi

Doug Cartel wrote: »

OK...


Right, it's not something you want to see, but you do think it would be a cool idea.

I really don't like being mod here a lot of the time.


If you want , we could sit around and invent 100, no wait, 1000 issues that might arise. Hell let's go for broke and think of 1000000 issues that might arise.

Nobody post any technique threads until we've met the quota, OK?

What's the problem? I think lots of things are cool ideas but I don't actively work towards achieving those goals.

I'm only throwing in my thoughts to the discussion. If you think what in saying is irrelevant or I'm making a big deal out of nothing then just say it instead of making cryptic comments and asking pointed questions.

Doug Cartel

What is cryptic about telling you to stop inventing reasons not to post a technique thread and just post some technique.

I really can't see how I can make this any more explicit.

Gumbi

Doug Cartel wrote: »

What is cryptic about telling you to stop inventing reasons not to post a technique thread and just post some technique.

I really can't see how I can make this any more explicit.

The point is, I made my post under the assumption that Peetrik's original statements were truthful/potentially truthful. I didn't invent them. No point in getting into something if it's going to blow up in your face if you hadn't approached it correctly. Better to make the correct decisions beforehand, if possible.

Like I said, I'm only throwing some thoughts into the discussion, if you don't agree, that's fine.

What this (conversation) has to do with (dislike of) moderating I really don't know.

Doug Cartel

OK, I'm afraid I can't help you.

Doug Cartel

Anyone who would like to see more technique threads, I would suggest posting a technique thread. You could even take a video or article someone else made, and add a bit of your own analysis.

Just don't copy something wholesale without adding anything, very few people would be interested in that.

Gumbi

Mellor's original post suggested exactly this kind of discussion - opinions regarding technical threads, potential pitfalls etc. To be honest, I think you mis-represented my comments pretty unfairly.

I gave him my opinion. Whether you agree or not is not my problem, and clearly you're not willing to discuss it any longer.

crosdad

how do you pass big kens guard?

Mellor

Dave 101 wrote: »

alphabet was great... nothing stopping anybody starting it again from scratch or finishing it of with youtube vids ?

Ah the alphabet is Barry's brainchild, we'll let him or one of the Hyuzo guys finish it.

Gumbi wrote: »

Mellor's original post suggested exactly this kind of discussion - opinions regarding technical threads, potential pitfalls etc. To be honest, I think you mis-represented my comments pretty unfairly.

To be honest, I only really want to see if people were interested. Literally a show of hands was all I was after. Enough people seem like they'd be interested.

Problems may well arise, but its easier to deal with them on the fly imo.

pablohoney87

crosdad wrote: »

how do you pass big kens guard?

Scholars maintain the secret was lost centuries ago

da-bres

tom king, 10 good years left

Richy06

crosdad wrote: »

how do you pass big kens guard?

You have to run around him real fast. I nearly did it once.

Mellor

I'm not sure what the best way to group technique threads.
A thread for every technique posted might be a bit much. I'd suggest that less threads is better initially.
Most of the more obscure MA could get away with a single thread, or even similar MA grouped together. The more popular ones might be best served with a few threads of various aspects. Eg BJJ split into “Sweeps, Passes, and Subs” or maybe “Advancement and Subs”. Judo split into “Nage Waza and Katame Waza”.

We don't need a concrete structure now, that can come later.

Doug Cartel

Mellor wrote: »

Most of the more obscure MA could get away with a single thread, or even similar MA grouped together. The more popular ones might be best served with a few threads of various aspects. Eg BJJ split into “Sweeps, Passes, and Subs” or maybe “Advancement and Subs”. Judo split into “Nage Waza and Katame Waza”.

I actually think you'd be better off starting small, and instead of trying to cover such broad subjects, concentrate on something you either feel you have some real insight into, or something that you are looking for advice on.

Of course this has to be balanced with picking something that people will be interested in. Get too specific and you won't get much interest.

Anyway, see how it goes.

Mellor

Doug Cartel wrote: »

...trying to cover such broad subjects, concentrate on something you either feel you have some real insight into, or something that you are looking for advice on.

Of course this has to be balanced with picking something that people will be interested in. Get too specific and you won't get much interest.

That's what I'm trying to do initially. Passes and sweeps is a fairly specific area of BJJ, yet is broad enough so that there's plenty of scope for people to chip in with their personal go to moves.