Garda vetting question

CIARAN_BOYLE

A man comes over from England to run a seminar (martial arts) two weekends a year.

The attendance at the seminar includes all ages from children to teenagers to adults. Given that he is running a course that includes under 18s does he need to be vetted.

Or would common sense apply that since he is only there for a weekend and that since there are a number of adults who are garda vetted (instructors in their own clubs) present that there is no need for garda vetting.

CIARAN_BOYLE

By the way I'm not looking for legal advice. Just wondering how courses that I've attended are covered legally?

Slyderx1

CIARAN_BOYLE wrote: »

By the way I'm not looking for legal advice. Just wondering how courses that I've attended are covered legally?

my instinctive response would be no but most activity organisations have a designated child protection officer and a code of safe practise. If your host organisation doesnt have one well heres your chance.

Ken.

If their is any children or vulnerable adults involved you need to be vetted. I attend my daughters Irish dancing Feis's and I help out the lady running it by pinning numbers on the dancers backs as their needed.
I had to get vetted to be allowed to do it.

If I was you Ciaran I would check with the Irish governing body of your particular discipline.

Also check if your speaker is vetted in the U.K. This may be enough to cover him.

CIARAN_BOYLE

ken wrote: »

If their is any children or vulnerable adults involved you need to be vetted. I attend my daughters Irish dancing Feis's and I help out the lady running it by pinning numbers on the dancers backs as their needed.
I had to get vetted to be allowed to do it.

If I was you Ciaran I would check with the Irish governing body of your particular discipline.

Also check if your speaker is vetted in the U.K. This may be enough to cover him.

Just to make it clear its not my organisation I'm not the host or anything like that. This is not a request for legal advice. I don't know the particulars of instructor coming over for courses. He could be vetted he might not. It just seems to me a lot of effort for just a weekend course so I'm curious.

Interesting to hear that you needed vetting to pin numbers on the dancers backs.

You mention that being vetted in another jurisdiction may cover the people running the courses. Would being vetted in a foreign jurisdiction work? If so what jurisdictions, all European jurisdictions? A lot of the people who do martial arts courses in Ireland travel over from the UK. If that was enough it would be interesting.

Ken.

Its strange alright with the dancing but I am in contact with other peoples young children and they want their asses covered. I can understand their reasons.

Being vetted in another country MAY cover him. I'm not sure.

From here http://www.justice.ie/en/JELR/Pages/PR12000361

The National Vetting Bureau (Children and Vulnerable Persons) Bill 2012 makes it mandatory for persons working with children or vulnerable adults to be vetted, whereas at present this is done on the basis of a voluntary code

These include: · Childcare services
· Schools
· Hospitals and health services
· Residential services or accommodation for children or vulnerable persons
· Treatment, therapy or counselling services for children or vulnerable persons
· Provision of leisure, sporting or physical activities to children or vulnerable persons
· Promotion of religious beliefs




My reading of that would be that anyone working with children needs vetting weather its for the rest of their lives or an hour.

Slyderx1

ken wrote: »

Its strange alright with the dancing but I am in contact with other peoples young children and they want their asses covered. I can understand their reasons.

Being vetted in another country MAY cover him. I'm not sure.

From here http://www.justice.ie/en/JELR/Pages/PR12000361

The National Vetting Bureau (Children and Vulnerable Persons) Bill 2012 makes it mandatory for persons working with children or vulnerable adults to be vetted, whereas at present this is done on the basis of a voluntary code

These include: · Childcare services
· Schools
· Hospitals and health services
· Residential services or accommodation for children or vulnerable persons
· Treatment, therapy or counselling services for children or vulnerable persons
· Provision of leisure, sporting or physical activities to children or vulnerable persons
· Promotion of religious beliefs




My reading of that would be that anyone working with children needs vetting weather its for the rest of their lives or an hour.

When the Bill becomes an Act it will be Law. I know that people employed by say the HSE through various care homes are vetted. I think its a good idea but I doubt if that instructor has to be vetted under current Irish Law.