Emirates 161 Diverting to Manchester

airman737

Couldn't land due to winds on RW16, Diverting to Manchester

EIDW 141200Z 20027G37KT 9999 FEW016 BKN032 14/08 Q0997 WS RWY16 NOSIG

dm09

airman737 wrote: »

Couldn't land due to winds on RW16, Diverting to Manchester

EIDW 141200Z 20027G37KT 9999 FEW016 BKN032 14/08 Q0997 WS RWY16 NOSIG

Wonder why it didn't divert to Shannon?

sparrowcar

2 tries at it in DUB and no joy, second go-around he was very low.

airman737

dm09 wrote: »

Wonder why it didn't divert to Shannon?

I see the shamrock 123 took off from 28, could he not have attempted a crosswind landing on 28? Was it the shorter RW16 that ultimately caused the diversion?

airman737

sparrowcar wrote: »

2 tries at it in DUB and no joy, second go-around he was very low.

Would love to see a video if anyone got it? I know its a horrible day to be out planespotting.

Tenger

dm09 wrote: »

Wonder why it didn't divert to Shannon?

EK have staff at MAN, better decision for passenger handling.

And perhaps the conditions at SNN were marginal, suddenly you are on the edge of Europe with the 2 closest airports not accessible. Better to go somewhere that you know you will get into.
I would guess the flight crew had this discussion over MAN..."if DUB is not an option we will come back here"

Peregrine

dm09 wrote: »

Wonder why it didn't divert to Shannon?

MAN is a major destination for EK, they have daily A380 fights from there. That might have something to do with it. I know if I was running an airline and one of my flights had to redirect, I'd rather they redirect to somewhere I have staff than to a random airport.

dm09

Wonder will EIN58W be able to land? Just on final approach now. An A330 operating AGP - DUB

http://www.flightradar24.com/data/flights/ei585/

Wise Old Elf

Tenger wrote: »

EK have staff at MAN, better decision for passenger handling.

And perhaps the conditions at SNN were marginal, suddenly you are on the edge of Europe with the 2 closest airports not accessible. Better to go somewhere that you know you will get into.
I would guess the flight crew had this discussion over MAN..."if DUB is not an option we will come back here"

Very windy down limerick shannon direction as well. Reckon it would be a tricky crosswind landing in shannon so MAN prob the better option.

dm09

Nimrod 7 wrote: »

MAN is a major destination for EK, they have daily A380 fights from there. That might have something to do with it. I know if I was running an airline and one of my flights had to redirect, I'd rather they redirect to somewhere I have staff than to a random airport.

Fair enough, if its a technical issue its best to divert to an airfield were you have maintenance, but this is a diversion due to weather, besides there going to have to bring the aircraft back to DUB for today's DUB-DXB service.

N7777G

airman737 wrote: »

I see the shamrock 123 took off from 28, could he not have attempted a crosswind landing on 28? Was it the shorter RW16 that ultimately caused the diversion?

Emirates encountered +20 kts windshear on short finals on both approaches hence the go-arounds.

http://flic.kr/p/eb9Agz

Tenger

dm09 wrote: »

Fair enough,......besides there going to have to bring the aircraft back to DUB for today's DUB-DXB service.

Not necessarily...depends on crew hours.

Peregrine

dm09 wrote: »

Fair enough, if its a technical issue its best to divert to an airfield were you have maintenance, but this is a diversion due to weather, besides there going to have to bring the aircraft back to DUB for today's DUB-DXB service.

If it was a weather issue and the aircraft is perfectly fine, you're better off diverting to an airport where you have staff to take care of the 400 or so passengers on the aircraft that's going to end up in the wrong city.

Just my thoughts, I'm not a pilot.

Suasdaguna1

N7777G wrote: »

Emirates encountered +20 kts windshear on short finals on both approaches hence the go-arounds.

http://flic.kr/p/eb9Agz

I'd take plus 20 any day as against -20. 16 and 28 in these conditions all give you a rasp of positive shear at circa 500 ft and in a heartbeat you will lose it turning into vicious negative shear as you cross the fence.....not for the faint hearted. ......the shear off the mountains can be a kunt and end up as mitigating factors for diversions especially for non locals not used to the conditions as their daily fare.

Someone else mentioned not a good day for spotting, how wrong...this is when you see all the action !

dm09

Nimrod 7 wrote: »

If it was a weather issue and the aircraft is perfectly fine, you're better off diverting to an airport where you have staff to take care of the 400 or so passengers on the aircraft that's going to end up in the wrong city.

Just my thoughts, I'm not a pilot.

Yes maybe so. But I'm sure given the choice I'd say the passengers would prefer be stranded in Shannon over Manchester, at least they could have bussed them to Dublin. The only options now are to bring them back over on the aircraft to DUB when the wind dies down?
At lot of these passengers would have transited from other parts of Asia and Australia thinking their journey was over, hope the staff in MAN are looking after them!

Tenger

dm09 wrote: »

Yes maybe so. But I'm sure given the choice I'd say the passengers would prefer be stranded in Shannon over Manchester, at least they could have bused them to Dublin......

And these would be the same pax giving out about "a bit of wind" not realising the weight of decision making by the flight deck. Hence why pax do not have a say in the operation of an aircraft.

I do get what you are saying but the aircraft commander has to make the decision based on lots of variables and aim for the best overall choice.

The same pax might even have a chat to Joe Duffy or the Daily Mail about the "dangerous aborted landing by the reckless captain"

Aphex

Looks like 161 is departing Manchester for Dublin very shortly

Peregrine

EI461 just made a go around I think.

EK161 taxing to 23R at MAN atm

lomb

The Emirates plane flew over me a few hours ago in Clondalkin, looked to be around 1000-1500 foot travelling West before banking to the North. I thought it was some kind of promotional flight with the name visable from underneath Ive never seen a pax jet that low except on approach or t/o. Amazing to see and happy everything is ok.

joegriffinjnr

Just coming in, over Balbriggan now.

APM

Its a pity the new Live ATC feed for Dublin is so poor. Impossible to listen to

Peregrine

APM wrote: »

Its a pity the new Live ATC feed for Dublin is so poor. Impossible to listen to

True, hopefully there will be a better feed soon.

161 just landed btw.

johnnyrotten

airman737 wrote: »

Would love to see a video if anyone got it? I know its a horrible day to be out planespotting.

I have videos of both go around on my Iphone. Will try to figure out how to post them later

andy_g

johnnyrotten wrote: »

I have videos of both go around on my Iphone. Will try to figure out how to post them later

ooohhh gotta see :P

Peregrine

johnnyrotten wrote: »

I have videos of both go around on my Iphone. Will try to figure out how to post them later

That would be brilliant.

If you go to My Computer, your iPhone should be there under Portable Devices or something and when you go into it, all your photos and videos should be there. Save it onto your computer and upload it to Youtube or something.

johnnyrotten

sparrowcar wrote: »

2 tries at it in DUB and no joy, second go-around he was very low.

Actually the first attempt was very low, about 300-400 ft I'd say

johnnyrotten

There ya go

urajoke

johnnyrotten wrote: »

There ya go

Sorry comes up blank until I tried to quote your post. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JG8vEZ9EhXE&feature=youtu.be
Then I see the link.

First approach is down to about 100ft or so may be less.;)

Davy

johnnyrotten wrote: »

There ya go

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JG8vEZ9EhXE

Just need the last part of the link, as the tags do the rest of the work for you

andy_g

Voila!!! a light tap from the ban hammer and the video gods run in fear. There ya go lads Andy

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JG8vEZ9EhXE

Suasdaguna1

An expensive diversion .........:rolleyes:

Trebor176

That explains what I heard earlier. I raced from the back to the front of the house to see if I could see it, but just missed it. It was my Mam had said what it was, and that it was very low. I came straight here to see hoping someone else saw something. Thankfully it was reported here Very strange seeing or hearing of a low flying airliner in Clondalkin. The only low flying planes would be the Casa or Learjet from Baldonnel!

thomasj

Sorry for dragging the thread off - topic but when I was looking at a flight radar app I have about 20 minutes ago, amongst the overnight flights, I spotted a Ryanair flight, RYR1ZL lurking about over the irish sea. This according to flight tracker is flight Fr341, heading from London Luton to Dublin.

It was scheduled to get into dublin around 21.30 but only left luton around 00.30 and only got into dublin at 2am. I presume weather was playing it's part?

I would have hated to he a passenger on that flight. What about people who have to rely on public transport? There's very few public transport links at that time and i presume Ryanair disclaims in these scenarios. Likewise with staff, these scenarios are they at staff risk and staff themselves have to cover those costs?

Suasdaguna1

Sporty again 2m morning. Wind coming straight over the mountains to give a right rattle on approach for 28.

2013/04/15 06:25
TAF EIDW 150500Z 1506/1606 21016KT 9999 FEW020 SCT035
BECMG 1516/1518 18015G26KT
BECMG 1519/1521 16020G35KT BKN012
TEMPO 1520/1523 16025G40KT 4000 -RADZ BKN008
BECMG 1523/1602 22023G38KT
TEMPO 1602/1606 22026G42KT

LXFlyer

For those of us not completely versed in "aviation speak", can you provide a layman's translation please?

IRLConor

lxflyer wrote: »

For those of us not completely versed in "aviation speak", can you provide a layman's translation please?

Using this, I got this:

Location: EIDW
Day of month: 15
Time: 05:00 UTC
Wind:  True direction = 210 degrees, Speed: 16 knots
Visibility: 10 km or more
Clouds: A few , at 2000 feet above aerodrome level
Clouds: Scattered , at 3500 feet above aerodrome level
Next token has 0 length
The following weather phenomena are expected to arise soon:
Wind:  True direction = 180 degrees, Speed: 15 knots, with Gusts of maximum speed 26 knots
Wind:  True direction = 160 degrees, Speed: 20 knots, with Gusts of maximum speed 35 knots
Clouds: Broken sky , at 1200 feet above aerodrome level
Wind:  True direction = 160 degrees, Speed: 25 knots, with Gusts of maximum speed 40 knots
Visibility: 4000 m
Weather: Light Rain Drizzle 
Clouds: Broken sky , at 800 feet above aerodrome level
Wind:  True direction = 220 degrees, Speed: 23 knots, with Gusts of maximum speed 38 knots
Wind:  True direction = 220 degrees, Speed: 26 knots, with Gusts of maximum speed 42 knots

thomasj

IRLConor wrote: »

Using this, I got this:

Location: EIDW
Day of month: 15
Time: 05:00 UTC
Wind:  True direction = 210 degrees, Speed: 16 knots
Visibility: 10 km or more
Clouds: A few , at 2000 feet above aerodrome level
Clouds: Scattered , at 3500 feet above aerodrome level
Next token has 0 length
The following weather phenomena are expected to arise soon:
Wind:  True direction = 180 degrees, Speed: 15 knots, with Gusts of maximum speed 26 knots
Wind:  True direction = 160 degrees, Speed: 20 knots, with Gusts of maximum speed 35 knots
Clouds: Broken sky , at 1200 feet above aerodrome level
Wind:  True direction = 160 degrees, Speed: 25 knots, with Gusts of maximum speed 40 knots
Visibility: 4000 m
Weather: Light Rain Drizzle 
Clouds: Broken sky , at 800 feet above aerodrome level
Wind:  True direction = 220 degrees, Speed: 23 knots, with Gusts of maximum speed 38 knots
Wind:  True direction = 220 degrees, Speed: 26 knots, with Gusts of maximum speed 42 knots

Thanks for the link very handy for translating weather reports at airports.