Will Floyd last the 30 month deal with Showtime?

ozzz

Is it possible?

He didn't look very dominant vs Cotto. That was one of the toughest fights in his career. Can he last another 6 taking his age into consideration.

TBH, I think Guerrero has serious chance of dethroning Mayweather.

In fact I think I'll put money on Robert come fight night.

FTA69

ozzz wrote: »

Is it possible?

He didn't look very dominant vs Cotto.

He hammered the sh*te out of him. He had his back to the corner numerous times with one of the hardest men in the sport unloading on him and he barely got clipped while banging Cotto with hard counters. His hand speed is still fantastic for a man of his age and he was hitting Cotto clean all day. The fact he took a few and had a blooded nose does not mean he wasn't dominant.

He won that fight all day long.

However, if he wants to make another six fights he needs to up the ante volume wise and start fighting three times a year. I'd be more interested to see who he'll be matched against rather than speculate his ability to fight.

ozzz

Yes, Mayweather did beat Cotto but he didn't look AS dominant as he did against the likes of Marquez, Moseley. Like I said, his last fight (vs Cotto) was one of the hardest in his Career and he did take quite a bit of punishment, in contrast to his previous bouts.

Now I wouldn't say he barely got clipped. Like you said, Cotto managed to bust Mayweather's nose. How many times have you seen Floyd get caught like he did vs Miguel.

I don't think he will fight three times a year, well at least not this year. He's already said that he plans on fighting twice in '13.

The only way I think he'll last is if he picks easy fights. Otherwise I think his 0 will go.

How do you see Guerrero?

FTA69

Like you said, Cotto managed to bust Mayweather's nose. How many times have you seen Floyd get caught like he did vs Miguel.

I'm just after watching that fight, he got clipped a few times. He was never in real trouble.

You could count the punches he took on one hand. He took a left hook I think somewhere around the fourth and it kept getting aggravated by glancing shots that were deflected off Mayweather's roll when he got backed up.

Guerrero is a very good boxer, he's tough as they come, technically sound and is definitely a formidable opponent. I just can't see him beating him Floyd though. I think Floyd wins a decision with perhaps a couple of rounds going to Roberto.

T-K-O

hand picked lighter opponents.. of course he will

FTA69

Any news on whether an Alvarez is fight on the cards?

Canelo's fight against Mosley was on the box today as well and he has a great maturity for a young boxer; he's crafty out, adept at setting traps and well able to adapt to opponents and edge his way into dominance as the fight goes on. Himself and Floyd would be a great match-up I think.

ozzz

FTA69 wrote: »

I'm just after watching that fight, he got clipped a few times. He was never in real trouble.

You could count the punches he took on one hand. He took a left hook I think somewhere around the fourth and it kept getting aggravated by glancing shots that were deflected off Mayweather's roll when he got backed up.

Guerrero is a very good boxer, he's tough as they come, technically sound and is definitely a formidable opponent. I just can't see him beating him Floyd though. I think Floyd wins a decision with perhaps a couple of rounds going to Roberto.

I just watched the highlights there too. Although I agree he was never in real trouble, what I'm trying to say, if you try to understand, is that he was caught more than usual in that fight. What's so difficult there?

I'd say it'll be a close one, but I'm not ruling out the possibility of Guerrero winning. Who knows what affect a 3 month jail sentence can have, physically and psychologically. But knowing that Floyd has a very positive mental attitude, I doubt the time he spent had a lasting negative effect.

Also, I think if there was one fighter who could have beaten Floyd, its Ortiz. Too bad he fouled Floyd.

Don't get me wrong, I'm a Mayweather fan. But that's not saying I wouldn't want him to lose just to see his reaction.

kryogen

He will be protective and extremely picky about who he fights until he retires, course he can last another 6!

ozzz

kryogen wrote: »

He will be protective and extremely picky about who he fights until he retires, course he can last another 6!

But can he last another 6 with tough opponents? Can he defend his 0 against the likes of Khan, Alvarez?

FTA69

ozzz wrote: »

I just watched the highlights there too. Although I agree he was never in real trouble, what I'm trying to say, if you try to understand, is that he was caught more than usual in that fight. What's so difficult there?

Was he caught more often? Slightly maybe, it was still wholly negligible though. And for a man like Cotto to barely make a dent and connect three or four power punches in an entire fight just shows the level Mayweather is at. Can Guerrero do a better job than Miguel? What does he bring to the table that Cotto doesn't?

I'd say it'll be a close one, but I'm not ruling out the possibility of Guerrero winning. Who knows what affect a 3 month jail sentence can have, physically and psychologically. But knowing that Floyd has a very positive mental attitude, I doubt the time he spent had a lasting negative effect.

He's fit out and mentally in the right place. I'd say jail will have minimal impact on him.

Also, I think if there was one fighter who could have beaten Floyd, its Ortiz. Too bad he fouled Floyd.

Ortiz was too limited and wasn't getting anywhere. Hence the ridiculous headbutt antics.

Don't get me wrong, I'm a Mayweather fan. But that's not saying I wouldn't want him to lose just to see his reaction.

True. Anyone who beats Mayweather deserves all the praise in the world. I can't think of anyone who springs to mind who can do it at this moment in time though.

kryogen

ozzz wrote: »

But can he last another 6 with tough opponents? Can he defend his 0 against the likes of Khan, Alvarez?

I don't expect to see him fight tough opponents though

Did you just list Khan as a tough opponent?

ozzz

FTA69 wrote: »

ozzz wrote: »

Was he caught more often? Slightly maybe, it was still wholly negligible though. And for a man like Cotto to barely make a dent and connect three or four power punches in an entire fight just shows the level Mayweather is at. Can Guerrero do a better job than Miguel? What does he bring to the table that Cotto doesn't?

Firstly, although I don't think Guerrero is a better fighter than Cotto, the Cotto fight happened a year ago. Since then Floyd grew older and went to jail. More negatives than positives right?

Guerrero brings his youth to the table and he seems very hungry, not saying Cotto wasn't, but Guerrero has been calling Floyd out for a while now. I'm sure he'll bring his A game Did you see Guerrero vs Berto?



He's fit out and mentally in the right place. I'd say jail will have minimal impact on him.

In agreement with what I suggested.



Ortiz was too limited and wasn't getting anywhere. Hence the ridiculous headbutt antics.

If he had stayed calm and worked a little longer, and taking his punching power into consideration, maybe he could have had a shot.

How do you think has given Mayweather the hardest time?


True. Anyone who beats Mayweather deserves all the praise in the world. I can't think of anyone who springs to mind who can do it at this moment in time though. Guerrero:P

ozzz

kryogen wrote: »

I don't expect to see him fight tough opponents though

Did you just list Khan as a tough opponent?

Well then what's the fun in that?

Yes I did. Why do you not see him as such?

12gauge dave

Will he lose interest/heart is the biggest question?
Tbh i dont care who he fights now himself and pacman have denied the world of a truly special occasion and i wont be paying to see either fight anymore

EireIceMan

ozzz wrote: »

But can he last another 6 with tough opponents? Can he defend his 0 against the likes of Khan

Jayob10

kryogen wrote: »

I don't expect to see him fight tough opponents though

Did you just list Khan as a tough opponent?

styles make fights as they say

I think Khan has the tools of a guy who could beat Mayweather, Now he would need everything to go right for him, but its a fighter with Khan's skillset that will beat Floyd.

Quick, looking to fight on the outside. Floyd can fight on the inside but its not a natural inclination, Khan has trouble with guys who want to fight, Floyd will look to box him and this is something Khan will be at ease with. Quick fighters who can beat him to the punch will give Floyd problems. And Khan has size aswell.

I repeat, i'm not saying Khan will beat Mayweather, but he has the tools to cause him alot of problems.

cowzerp

Jebus wept!!

MD1990

ozzz wrote: »

I just watched the highlights there too. Although I agree he was never in real trouble, what I'm trying to say, if you try to understand, is that he was caught more than usual in that fight. What's so difficult there?

I'd say it'll be a close one, but I'm not ruling out the possibility of Guerrero winning. Who knows what affect a 3 month jail sentence can have, physically and psychologically. But knowing that Floyd has a very positive mental attitude, I doubt the time he spent had a lasting negative effect.

Also, I think if there was one fighter who could have beaten Floyd, its Ortiz. Too bad he fouled Floyd.

Don't get me wrong, I'm a Mayweather fan. But that's not saying I wouldn't want him to lose just to see his reaction.

he was in prison for 8 weeks
i don't see it having a huge difference in his physical shape

FTA69

Amir Khan beating Mayweather? Someone needs to stop listening to Sky immediately.

Honestly like, I've seen it all now.

Khan was knocked cold by Garcia and Prescott. Peterson walked all over him. He wouldn't have a hope. Not a chance in hell.

megadodge

Jayob10 wrote: »

styles make fights as they say

I think Khan has the tools of a guy who could beat Mayweather, Now he would need everything to go right for him, but its a fighter with Khan's skillset that will beat Floyd.

Quick, looking to fight on the outside. Floyd can fight on the inside but its not a natural inclination, Khan has trouble with guys who want to fight, Floyd will look to box him and this is something Khan will be at ease with. Quick fighters who can beat him to the punch will give Floyd problems. And Khan has size aswell.

I repeat, i'm not saying Khan will beat Mayweather, but he has the tools to cause him alot of problems.

Nice to see someone who hasn't their head stuck up Mayweather's hole for a change. Anybody claiming Khan has "no chance" etc. is really not analysing the fight with any depth.

It's all about styles. Boxing history is full of A beats B, C hammers A, but B beats C. Ali/Frazier/Foreman is the most famous example.

It's aggressive, high output, heavy punchers that get close that give Khan problems, anybody trying to outbox him from the outside is going to have problems with his speed (faster than Floyd) and outside offensive ability.

Like Jayob, I'm not claiming Khan will beat Floyd, but I honestly believe he has the right skillset to give him more problems than we've seen before. Especially as Floyd in my opinion (and quite a few others) just hasn't been as good in the last 2-3 years as before.

DaithiMa

It is all about the fact that Khan has no chin and the fact that Floyd is THE best boxer of his generation and one of the best of all time. Khan doesn't deserve to be in the ring with him.

boxer.fan

Poor young Amir doesn't possess the brain cells or attention span required to follow a gameplan long enough to outbox the likes of Mayweather.

Christ Almighty I can't believe I invested the last 30 seconds giving it consideration.

gene_tunney

Khan has a decent chance against Floyd IMO.

EireIceMan

gene_tunney wrote: »

Khan has a decent chance against Floyd IMO.

gene i generally agree with your opinions but i cant on this.
I dont like floyd, at all, but look at what we have here.
We've seen floyd can take a punch, Kahn is featherfisted.
We've seen floyd has power, Kahn chin isnt great.
Kahn could have a chance on points but floyd isnt going to let that happen, he's too smart.
Kahns game plan of keeping distance will go out the window.
Id love to be proved wrong but i cant see it. Mayweather is too smart.
And if you are right, it wont happen, because mayweathers last few fights will be well picked to suit him

kryogen

Jayob10 wrote: »

styles make fights as they say

I think Khan has the tools of a guy who could beat Mayweather, Now he would need everything to go right for him, but its a fighter with Khan's skillset that will beat Floyd.

Quick, looking to fight on the outside. Floyd can fight on the inside but its not a natural inclination, Khan has trouble with guys who want to fight, Floyd will look to box him and this is something Khan will be at ease with. Quick fighters who can beat him to the punch will give Floyd problems. And Khan has size aswell.

I repeat, i'm not saying Khan will beat Mayweather, but he has the tools to cause him alot of problems.

Ignoring for the moment the glaring amount of fail in this notion, you state yourself, that "everything would have to go right for Khan"

If everything would have to go perfectly for Khan how exactly can that make him a tough opponent for Mayweather?

Khan has neither the brain nor the skills to match FM

Henno30

Khan is a much more limited fighter than is generally thought. His flaws go well beyond his glass chin. I can see why people might see him troubling Mayweather, his handspeed is exceptional. But that is not going to be anywhere near enough against Floyd.

His defence is terrible, he can't stand in the pocket because he has to be in all out attack or in all out flight, and he has no inside game whatsover. He can't turn over crisp uppercuts and hooks in that position while slipping shots himself. He's just far too one dimensional to beat an elite counterpuncher. I would be surprised if Mayweather didn't stop him.

Dick phelan

The only thing Khan has on Mayweather is handspeed, thats really it Floyd has shown over the years he can adapt and fight many different ways Khan fights only one way Floyd will know how he fights and he will know how to beat it, this is Mayweather we are talking love him or hate him he is on a complete different level to the likes of Amir Khan i'd fancy floyd by wide UD.

walshb

Henno30 wrote: »

Khan is a much more limited fighter than is generally thought. His flaws go well beyond his glass chin. I can see why people might see him troubling Mayweather, his handspeed is exceptional. But that is not going to be anywhere near enough against Floyd.

His defence is terrible, he can't stand in the pocket because he has to be in all out attack or in all out flight, and he has no inside game whatsover. He can't turn over crisp uppercuts and hooks in that position while slipping shots himself. He's just far too one dimensional to beat an elite counterpuncher. I would be surprised if Mayweather didn't stop him.

I like Khan, but I cannot disagree here. He is just too limited. He's an amateur fighting as a pro. His exceptional speed is what allows him to do well. Other than this his style is not really suited to the varied pro game. Never will be.

efb

Khan fight would be a bigger joke than anything people have accused Floyd of