Gaming PC with Video Editting €2000-€2500

Lord Khan

1. What is your budget? At the moment it's 2500, but more money = more waiting.
2. What will be the main purpose of the computer? Gaming and editting YT or streaming
3. Do you need a copy of Windows? yes
4. Can you use any parts from an old computer? no
5. Do you need a monitor? Yes
5a. If yes, what size do you need. 24"+, already have a 22" Samsung to spare
5b. If no, what resolution is your current monitor and do you plan to upgrade in the near future?
6. Do you need any of these peripherals? Keyboard/Mouse/Speakers Standards already taken care of, but Capturing card: AverMedia Live Gamer HD (amazon.co.uk)
7. Are you willing to try overclocking? Yes, CPU, RAM and GFX.
8. How can you pay. Debit card
9. When are you purchasing? hardwareversand.de
10. If you need help building it, where are you based? Already have trained helper monkey


CPU: intel i7 3770K
RAM: 16GB (2x8GB) Corsair Dominator 1866mhz
MotherBoard: Asus P8Z77-V Pro / Deluxe
PSU: Cooler Master Silence Pro M2 1000w
CPU Cooler: Corsair H100i (scrapping default fans)
Fans: Corsair Series AF120 Quiet Edition x 3
Corsair Series SF120 Quiet Edition x 3
Case: Thermaltake Urban s31 / s71 (But if they don't reach the stores by then will go for 2nd option)
Fractal Design R4
GFX: MSI HD 7950 3GB OC
Sound: Asus Xonar DS
Capture Card: Avermedia Live Gamer HD
DVD Drive: ASUS DRW-24B5ST
Storage: Samsung 840 Pro Series 256GB
Samsung 840 Pro Series 512GB
WD Black 2-4GB*
Monitor: Asus 23.6 VE247H 2ms**

*Decided of make and model, just haven't decided on size
**This is a pretty good monitor for the money, but might splash out more for a larger screen

One thing because of the capture card doesn't support beyond 100hz, so going for 60hz or 85hz.

Later on when I have more cash I'll buy more storage and possible 2x 680 4GB as well. Maybe I'll just build a NAS and stick the extra storage in there.
EG 2x/4x 4GB WB RED for NAS, but for now just one new computer.

Serephucus

Few things there:

CPU isn't worth the money. The 3770K might be a little faster (but only when it comes to video editing) than the 3570K, but it's not 50% faster (that's the price difference).
Drop the RAM to 16GB of something slower. RAM speed makes virtually no difference, just get whatever the cheapest 1333/1600MHz stuff is.
1KW PSU is complete overkill. A good 550W unit would power that system with plenty to spare. This is a much better buy.
Corsair fans aren't all they're hyped up to be. Get a couple of these for your H100 instead. Far superior radiator fans.

Define R4 is the better case there.
Why do you have two SSDs?
ASUS TN monitor... Meh. Have a look at an LG or Dell IPS instead. League ahead of any TN.

Lord Khan

The CPU will remain the same the K means overclockable to 4.6ghz, but only 4.4ghz. I know what a gaming alone would only be much less than a 1000 including everything. 2 SSD, 1 for systems and 1 for gaming for cost isn't so much an issue.

I would agreed with you that AF/SF120 Performance edition are loud, but these are the Quiet Edition. A YT vid the fans were doing 1100rpm and only generating less than 10 DB (21 DB is what their factory says) and at 1100rpm the generate for CF than yours. I was looking at Noctua but the costs were too high, 27 per fan. Static Pressure is what brings in the cool air to the case and all the boys to the yard .

IPS, meh mine with do my gaming needs.

1 systems, the other gaming. and I'll fill up that 512GB fast so don't think I'm going to have it all empty. I'll do the editting on a HDD

The advantage of the s31 of define R4 is:
The s31 cost a lot less ( 20 euro as far as I can tell)
The define R4 is my current case as I still haven't been able to fine anywhere on this planet that thermaltake urban s31 is for sale.
better built It's still a great PC
extra room for water cooler pull fans outside the mobo case
a hot swappable drive built in. I have several HDDs which have to travel around computers to transfer files (over 3-400GB in single file size)

It is this reason why I need the CPU power and the extra ram as the stuff will be rendaring in the background. I'm not an FPS nut, unfortunately I have only the use of a left hand.


You can't us "overkill" since it is a PSU. I am reducing the load, while extenting it's life Now-a-days the have scaling amount of power and heat which build up. but it the load is 50% the heat will be disappated quicker than normal.

Gumbi

Lord Khan wrote: »

The CPU will remain the same the K means overclockable to 4.6ghz, but only 4.4ghz. I know what a gaming alone would only be much less than a 1000 including everything.

What the feck does this mean???

In any case, the 3570 k is an unlocked CPU too, and can handily manage 4.5+ghz on any budget cooler (reports of golden chips in recent batches too, I've read about someone who's getting 5ghz on 1.3v air). This is virtual identical to the 3770k in all games (except Crysis 3 I think.

BloodBath

Crazy money to be spending on a pretty standard rig when you consider the main guts (gpu, processor) are both upper mid range affairs. I've upgraded both.

As far as I can see that video capture card is only there to save your cpu having to do the workload. I went for the 3930k then instead. 2 extra cores / 4 extra threads should more than fill in for anything that card is doing and those cores can be used for everything.

The mainboard also comes with a very decent sound card meaning you won't need to buy one there either.

2 x 660ti's in sli will seriously outperform a 7950 as well.

Dropped the HDD, SSD and ram speeds down a little as you will never notice the difference in the speeds on those. It's better to put that extra cost elsewhere.

Improved the case and cooler as well. That H110 will fit that case internally as well without modifying. It has the hot swap bay for your HDD transfers as well.

That LG monitor is also far better than the Asus one.

This is still total overkill for what you want but it's you're money and it's better than how you were going to spend it.


Item|Price
Intel Core i7-3930K Retail, ohne Kühler, LGA2011|€525.77
ASRock X79 Extreme9, Sockel LGA2011, ATX|€293.99
16GB-Kit Corsair Vengeance DDR3 1600 MHz CL9|€108.92
2 x Gigabyte GeForce GTX 660 Ti Windforce 2X, 2GB GDDR5, 2x DVI, HDMI, DisplayPort|€518.42
Corsair Professional Series Platinum AX760, 760W, ATX 2.31|€149.17
Samsung SSD 840 500GB SATA 6Gb/s|€279.99
Corsair Hydro Series H110|€111.72
Corsair Obsidian Series 650D, ATX, ohne Netzteil|€152.61
MS Windows 8 64bit (SB-Version) Englisch|€85.37
Samsung SH-118AB schwarz|€12.89
LG 24EA53VQ|€169.00
Seagate Barracuda 7200 3000GB, SATA 6Gb/s|€114.44
Shipping|€18.99
Total|€2541.28

Serephucus

Lord Khan wrote: »

The CPU will remain the same the K means overclockable to 4.6ghz, but only 4.4ghz. I know what a gaming alone would only be much less than a 1000 including everything. 2 SSD, 1 for systems and 1 for gaming for cost isn't so much an issue.

The 3570K is overclockable too.

Lord Khan wrote: »

I would agreed with you that AF/SF120 Performance edition are loud, but these are the Quiet Edition. A YT vid the fans were doing 1100rpm and only generating less than 10 DB (21 DB is what their factory says) and at 1100rpm the generate for CF than yours. I was looking at Noctua but the costs were too high, 27 per fan. Static Pressure is what brings in the cool air to the case and all the boys to the yard .

That's not what I said. I said that Gentle Typhoons are much better than any Corsair fan, which is true. They're better than NF-F12s as well.

Lord Khan wrote: »

IPS, meh mine with do my gaming needs.

If you say so.

Lord Khan wrote: »

You can't us "overkill" since it is a PSU. I am reducing the load, while extenting it's life Now-a-days the have scaling amount of power and heat which build up. but it the load is 50% the heat will be disappated quicker than normal.

This is just wrong. Yes, you can go completely over the top with a PSU. The heat will not be transferred away faster because at lower loads the fan spins slower, so the rate of heat dissipation is roughly linear. Not to mention the fact that instead of getting 90% efficiency with a properly selected unit, you'll be getting closer to 70% when your system is idling at 100W with a freaking 1KW PSU.

So basically, you came asking for advice, got given some very good advice, then chose to dismiss all of it. Smart.

Lord Khan

the CPU is only 300 (give or take).
if I wanted to build a pure gaming I'd have gone for the cheaper gen 2 i5 and alot less of everything. However I want to do the editting and rendering so that will affect the RAM when rendering and gaming.

I've choosen the ATI GFX card as it gives more than the 660 ti (both roughly the same price). As I said anyway, in a few months I would get 2x 680, or anything else comes out and is better. Titan, and 690 are over prices and under RAM as the 680 comes with 4GB each now. and the addidation of these 2 should bring up the wattage to over 650w. I haven't said what the whole thing was including peripherals. as a pure game station again, it would be 600-900 to play.

Tests showed the Corsair outperforming the Typoon for the amount of air pulled in to the system at 1100rpm to.

The HDDs and SSD are not for discussion. I will probably chance the size of them but I am not elimanating any, probably buy another SSD 256GB.

I said the cash is not an issue. and the only reason why I put it up was if anything could do better and quieter.

and I'm not getting a 840, I'd rather have a 830 tbh.

You must find the word "overkill" overused by know and the meaning of it is misunderstood by so many. The CPU with nothing attached except the PSU so the 4.5ghz @ 215w, which is idle of course. Then add the 2x 680s and overclocked roughly 600w everything else is minimal is roughly 100w(give or take a few watts here and there, we're looking at 700w.

Lord Khan

also Bloodbath of course a 2 x 660 Ti will out preform a HD 7950. However 2x 660 Ti will suck as they will never get past the Bottleneck 2x SLI which 660 Ti have. "Communism is great, In Theory"

Serephucus

Lord Khan wrote: »

also Bloodbath of course a 2 x 660 Ti will out preform a HD 7950. However 2x 660 Ti will suck as they will never get the past an Bottleneck on 2x SLI

What?

trev179

Lord kahn , you sir are a plonker

Lord Khan

At least I can spell my name correctly .

I want to last for a few years, not for a year or two.
WB Black are the longer lasting performance HDD, 840 Pro also the best for it's read/write and lenght of working.
If I was going to get the cheapest PC I would have done that ages ago.

I would have got Noctua-D14 instead of the water cooler and kept the stock fans. I wouldn't have bothered getting a Nvidia 640, I'd have used the onboard.
and I'd have the ASRock Exterme4 (althought, no wireless). I wouldn't have gotta SSDs and the Corsair Veneagnce 1600mhz 2x4GB I'd have go for the cheapest possible PSU. Of course I'd have go for a i5 2500.

I know there is always something cheaper. However, I do what to render editting as well. Of course that will take a while and I'll go play some games while it's doing it in the background. I'm using SSDs for both, but seperate, the OS/apps and the games I'd like to keep them over 1-2 years, I've lost HDDs, quite a few (20+). It's too expensive to get them to bring back the data. (after it was out of warrenty of course). I'm getting a Avermedia Live Gamer HD so I would get an immedent drop of 25-30% of the frame rate (it's internal so no out of sync and having to go back and edit them everytime.

I've over 400 games off of steam (no, I don't have a life. I sold it to a m,an years ago for a cool sticker).

You are great, you never one told me what could be better and quieter. except the fans, I apoligis Serephucuse) but I am going to lower them down so they will just be a breeze and you will never heard them at all.

Vengence and Dominator are two models intel i* Gen-2 and intel I* Gen-3 really. plus the Dominator has a wicked LED which will look great and a no window case! the difference in pricing is 100-120 for the Corsair ven 2x8GB cas 10 1600mhz and 150 Corsair Dominator 2x8GB 1866mhz CAS 9.

I want to "future proof" which is a joke really, but for the next few years as games are already coming out utilizing the 4 cores not just the 2 cores. It is fine if you have what you what to play. However, what about what you want to play hasn't been released yet. Anyway, I want to steam 1080P at 30 min fps or I'll just record for YT the games which I have played.

Look, I don't want to reduce costs as I need or lastablity 3-4 years. What I want is how can I really reduce the noice/fans down or none existance. I don't like it when you come in here and the first post is "lol, that's overkill n00b". I don't want the CPU changed either going bigger or smaller. The Editting will store up quite a large amout of files and these will be compressed files 10x smaller than uncompressed.

2x 660 Ti in theory they are supposed to be better than a single 670. but the memory from both are "trapped" in a bottleneck linking the 2 Cards which doesn't allow the their true potential. However, they still barely do better than the 670. Anyway I have plannned to get 2x 680 4GB more memory than the 690 (2GB+2GB) and afaik they should do better. euro 1000-1100, but if I decide to go water cooler on bother it's mean a full job of fitting the in and costing me more cash anyway :-(.

could I can dream back to the days when 100mhz DX4 was the most powerful computer. Now I have more power than that even in my watch.

Serephucus

You're still wrong.

You can buy Gentle Typhoons, and turn them down so they make exactly the same amount of noise as Corsair fans, and they will perform better by pushing more air.

I did tell you what would be quieter. That 1KW Silver PSU will not be as quiet as a 600W Gold or Platinum PSU. (Which Bloodbath also recommended when he specced you a 760W Platinum)

If you're worried about loosing data, grab a 3TB drive and actually back things up.

660 Ti SLI will perform far better than 670. You still won't run into a bottleneck. Nowhere does it say that you need twice the memory to get twice the performance from adding a second card into a system. Given that 99% of the time you'll be facing a computational bottleneck (be it from CPU or GPU) a memory bottleneck is probably the last thing you have to worry about. Getting 4GB 680s is nothing but a nonsensical waste of money.

The bottom line is that your computer will be more "future proof" by picking up two 660 Tis now, and two 760 Tis later, and would probably cost less than two 680 4GBs now to boot.

Lord Khan

2x HD 7950 3GB OC is better than the 2x 660Ti

There are rarely few games with PhyX and nothing recent except 1 new game. Overclocked, but it uses more power yet costs the same or less, really.

Yeah the PSU is something I'm not set in stone.

Lord Khan

Well I'll get 1 of each fan. It isn't much that a few say the Corsair was quieter and 1/2 Degree cooler than this Gentle Typhoon, but he said it was 1850rpm as the low revolutions weren't generating enough. so I'll find out my self.
To the test team, Dadadadadadadadadadadadadadada Test team!

they only cost 18 for the two and I'd be keeping one if not both of them.
AF120 Quiet Edition 1100, both controllable speeds so that won't a issue really.

Bets are on AF120, but we will see.

Also PSU, 800-1000w, (with quietest on earth fan ) I'll keep looking for the gold or platinum one might be a quieter more efficent one out there. I actually I thought the corsair silence M2 was gold, I mis-read the model tag, was only silver. Should have been Corsair Silence Gold, my fault. I can move it down to 800w but will see.

Anyway, thank you. I get cranky when I don't have the correct amount of sleep . I might bring back the Dominator to 1600mhz, it's save a few squid and you won't be so noticable anyway.

BloodBath

Sigh, words don't sum it up. You've had solid advice from clearly more knowledgeable people and you choose to ignore it. You are pretty much wrong in your assumptions on everything you have posted as well. I have no idea why you came to the forum when you dismiss all the factual information you are given with nonsense.

the CPU is only 300 (give or take).
if I wanted to build a pure gaming I'd have gone for the cheaper gen 2 i5 and alot less of everything. However I want to do the editting and rendering so that will affect the RAM when rendering and gaming.

Which is why I included the 6 core / 12 thread i7 instead of your 4 core / 8 thread i5.

I've choosen the ATI GFX card as it gives more than the 660 ti (both roughly the same price). As I said anyway, in a few months I would get 2x 680, or anything else comes out and is better. Titan, and 690 are over prices and under RAM as the 680 comes with 4GB each now. and the addidation of these 2 should bring up the wattage to over 650w. I haven't said what the whole thing was including peripherals. as a pure game station again, it would be 600-900 to play.

I'm still inside your budget with 2 x 660ti's though which is going to be nearly double the performance of the single 7950. Standard 680's are already a waste of money for sli when 2 x 660ti's will give you crazy frame rates at 1080p in even the most demanding games for less than half the price. Having 4gb of graphics memory will have 0 effect over 2gb in games so it's just a waste of money to lure people with more money than sense.

Tests showed the Corsair outperforming the Typoon for the amount of air pulled in to the system at 1100rpm to.

Except the typhoons will be a lot quieter.

I said the cash is not an issue. and the only reason why I put it up was if anything could do better and quieter

You can but you're ignoring it.

and I'm not getting a 840, I'd rather have a 830 tbh

For a gaming drive an 840 has all the reliability needed and is faster than most drives out there. It's not far off the pros in performance either. However if you will be rendering large videos on it on a regular basis then you may want a drive with more reliable nand like the crucial m4.

You must find the word "overkill" overused by know and the meaning of it is misunderstood by so many. The CPU with nothing attached except the PSU so the 4.5ghz @ 215w, which is idle of course. Then add the 2x 680s and overclocked roughly 600w everything else is minimal is roughly 100w(give or take a few watts here and there, we're looking at 700w

The 760w psu I listed would be enough for that proc and 2 gpu's. If you wanted to be overly cautious you could go for the 860w model.

also Bloodbath of course a 2 x 660 Ti will out preform a HD 7950. However 2x 660 Ti will suck as they will never get past the Bottleneck 2x SLI which 660 Ti have. "Communism is great, In Theory"

They will outperform a 7950 yet they will suck? Make sense please. 2 x 660ti's are close to gtx titan performance for half the price.

I want to last for a few years, not for a year or two.
WB Black are the longer lasting performance HDD, 840 Pro also the best for it's read/write and lenght of working.
If I was going to get the cheapest PC I would have done that ages ago.

The durability of the hard drive's are no different. If anything Seagate drives have better reliability than WD's. Their read/writes are slightly slower but only slightly. It's not something you will notice when using it as a storage drive. The standard 840 isn't too far off the performance of the 840 pro's. Especially with the larger drives. They don't have the same durability though but if using it as a games drive I don't think that would be a problem. If using it for heavy video editing then sure a more reliable nand drive would be the better choice.

I know there is always something cheaper. However, I do what to render editting as well. Of course that will take a while and I'll go play some games while it's doing it in the background. I'm using SSDs for both, but seperate, the OS/apps and the games I'd like to keep them over 1-2 years, I've lost HDDs, quite a few (20+). It's too expensive to get them to bring back the data. (after it was out of warrenty of course). I'm getting a Avermedia Live Gamer HD so I would get an immedent drop of 25-30% of the frame rate (it's internal so no out of sync and having to go back and edit them everytime.

The processor I listed will do this editing work far quicker than the one you are going with. It should be around 50% faster as well as giving you the extra cores for streaming meaning you wouldn't need the video card. The speed of the drives is going to have no effect on your rendering times.

I want to "future proof" which is a joke really, but for the next few years as games are already coming out utilizing the 4 cores not just the 2 cores. It is fine if you have what you what to play. However, what about what you want to play hasn't been released yet. Anyway, I want to steam 1080P at 30 min fps or I'll just record for YT the games which I have played.

Yet you would go for the 4 core processor and single gpu over a 6 core processor and dual gpu setup for the sake of marginally faster hard drives and a video card which isn't even needed with the 6 core processor. The processor you selected is the top processor for that socket as well so there will be 0 upgrade options down the line.

2x 660 Ti in theory they are supposed to be better than a single 670. but the memory from both are "trapped" in a bottleneck linking the 2 Cards which doesn't allow the their true potential. However, they still barely do better than the 670. Anyway I have plannned to get 2x 680 4GB more memory than the 690 (2GB+2GB) and afaik they should do better. euro 1000-1100, but if I decide to go water cooler on bother it's mean a full job of fitting the in and costing me more cash anyway :-(.

Not just in theory. 2 x 660ti's will perform close to a gtx titan. Sli is really reliable and has good scaling. I don't know what benchmarks you are looking at but 2 x 660's would hammer the 670gtx in every single benchmark. As I said already those 4gb 680's are a total waste of money and will net 0 performance gains over the 2gb versions except for maybe ultra high resolutions. Even then it would be minor.

2x HD 7950 3GB OC is better than the 2x 660Ti

There are rarely few games with PhyX and nothing recent except 1 new game. Overclocked, but it uses more power yet costs the same or less, really.

Crossfire is unreliable and doesn't work at all in some games. It doesn't scale as well as sli either. While a single 7950 is a better card than the 660ti if you are going dual setup the 660ti's would be the far better option. They also use less power than the amd card's atm.


The rig I listed will render your videos about 50% faster and give you around 60-70% better frame rates in games. Not to mention the more efficient psu and the far better monitor.

What is there to debate?

indough

i'm not sure about all other software but premiere pro (what you should be using if you aren't) wont use two gpus anyway, so while the sli 660tis will be better for gaming the second one probably isnt going to do anything for rendering video