WHY SHOULD WE PAY TO RECYCLE PLASTIC?

blue5000

I see on the journal that collections for used silage plastic etc are on at marts again. I've seen plastic stakes made rom recycled plastic selling for around 7 yoyo.

Looking on the web I see baled plastic is making 200 STERLING a ton if it's on a pallet.

http://www.letsrecycle.com/prices/plastics

A few years back ppl had to pay to get rid of a scrap car, not anymore, now it has a value.

Why should we pay and spend time transporting a raw material?

Poor Farmer in the hills

Apparently farm waste plastic from round bales etc. very dirty and expensive to clean in the recycling process.

6480

i always taught that when u buy ur new roll of wrap that the levey covers the cost of collecting it at a later date in the future for reycling

brian_t

blue5000 wrote: »

I see on the journal that collections for used silage plastic etc are on at marts again.

This is the link to the Irish Farm Film Producers Group - http://new.farmplastics.ie/Home/tabid/907/Default.aspx

Farmer Pudsey

In NI there is no levy the plastic is collected by a private company. At this stage the cost is minimal. In Ireland we set up a [EMAIL="f@@king"]f@@king[/EMAIL] quango which has a CEO, a board with about a nearly a dozen on it inc a couple of IFA men to protect our interest. It is hard to get off the gravy train. I am not sure of levy cost but it is around 7/roll I think

The amazing think is that domestic recycling is now collected for free this must be segerated and separated. In the case of silage plastic while it may be dirty you have bulk and weight, also netting tends to be clean as are feed and fertilizer bags. It is just another case of putting people on a board and if you give them nice cheque's then it not in there interest to derail the gravy train as it might get spilt.

I think that at this stage we are being taken for a ride and it not on the gravy train

rancher

Farmer Pudsey wrote: »

In NI there is no levy the plastic is collected by a private company. At this stage the cost is minimal. In Ireland we set up a f@@king quango which has a CEO, a board with about a nearly a dozen on it inc a couple of IFA men to protect our interest. It is hard to get off the gravy train. I am not sure of levy cost but it is around 7/roll I think

The amazing think is that domestic recycling is now collected for free this must be segerated and separated. In the case of silage plastic while it may be dirty you have bulk and weight, also netting tends to be clean as are feed and fertilizer bags. It is just another case of putting people on a board and if you give them nice cheque's then it not in there interest to derail the gravy train as it might get spilt.

I think that at this stage we are being taken for a ride and it not on the gravy train

I don't think there was anyone queuing up to collect it until IFPPG got involved, however there's no quota on it, i'm sure you can set up a collection service anytime yourself, especially if you can do it free.....at least IFPPG collect it every year.
All it needs is competition out there

reilig

rancher wrote: »

I don't think there was anyone queuing up to collect it until IFPPG got involved, however there's no quota on it, i'm sure you can set up a collection service anytime yourself, especially if you can do it free.....at least IFPPG collect it every year.
All it needs is competition out there

Plenty of competition out there for collection in this area. Only problem is that the Quango that is the IFFPG won't share the levy collected on wrap so IFFPG are at a financial advantage before they start. .

rancher

reilig wrote: »

Plenty of competition out there for collection in this area. Only problem is that the Quango that is the IFFPG won't share the levy collected on wrap so IFFPG are at a financial advantage before they start. .

You mustn't be farming very long if you don't remember the backlog that accumulated when it was left to contractors to collect it for the levy.
I was left three years without a collection, and there was thousand of tons in Galway alone uncollected at the time, we had to look for massive funding as a once off to clear that backlog and you're right. the govt would be very slow to put it out to messers again and IFPPG would be very foolish to get involved with messers as well
There is no big money made out of it, if they can do it cheaper the farmers will get it cheaper and the cost has been reducing

st1979

I have bought loads of silage this year wrapped so dont have receipts for wrap. Plus a lot of it has a bit of muck in it. So am going to get a skip to get rid of it. Skip dropped in yard and collected

rancher

st1979 wrote: »

I have bought loads of silage this year wrapped so dont have receipts for wrap. Plus a lot of it has a bit of muck in it. So am going to get a skip to get rid of it. Skip dropped in yard and collected

what are you paying for that

st1979

rancher wrote: »

what are you paying for that

Waiting for the quote back but around 150 but i have about a dump trailer full as is from 2 years and will be getting rid of other stuff as well but reckon the plastic part will cost me 100.

blue5000

brian_t wrote: »

This is the link to the Irish Farm Film Producers Group - http://new.farmplastics.ie/Home/tabid/907/Default.aspx[/QUOTE]

Ya had a look and it's 12yoyo charge per half ton (85yoyo without code) when we bring it to them.

rancher wrote: »

I don't think there was anyone queuing up to collect it until IFPPG got involved, however there's no quota on it, i'm sure you can set up a collection service anytime yourself, especially if you can do it free.....at least IFPPG collect it every year.
All it needs is competition out there

Agree we need a bit of competition, but quango have the levy, also a few years back when oil was cheaper used plastic was worth less too. This stuff is a resource, it should be possible to get paid for it if it is clean and dry.

Conor556

Just back from bringing it to a collection point, €20 for 800kg

reilig

rancher wrote: »

You mustn't be farming very long if you don't remember the backlog that accumulated when it was left to contractors to collect it for the levy.
I was left three years without a collection, and there was thousand of tons in Galway alone uncollected at the time, we had to look for massive funding as a once off to clear that backlog and you're right. the govt would be very slow to put it out to messers again and IFPPG would be very foolish to get involved with messers as well
There is no big money made out of it, if they can do it cheaper the farmers will get it cheaper and the cost has been reducing

You should get your facts straight. I'm Farming well long enough to remember. You have it wrong though. It was never left to contractors to organise the collection - IFFPG contracted the contractors that you talk about and got the budget waaay wrong. IFFPG spent more money on advertising, board funding and trips abroad to look at where the plastic was going than they had laid out to pay the contractors for collection. I was working in a County Council at the time and the council had to pay contract collectors to collect the backlog caused by IFFPG. If somebody told you that it was the contractor's fault instead of IFFPG's, then you were told a big porker.

Several of these contractors then went out on their own to collect plastic and received no levy. Many are still going today. At the same time IFFPG had enough clout with farming organisations and the government to ensure that they weren't stripped of the contract to collect plastic in exchange for levy. The messers were IFFPG, and they still are getting levy paid by farmers to collect it!!!!

delaval

We used to get a skip €200. Now we put in recycle wheelie bin as is free. Our refuse company supplied as many as we need and collect fortnightly. Had an inspection and showed refuse receipt

rancher

reilig wrote: »

You should get your facts straight. I'm Farming well long enough to remember. You have it wrong though. It was never left to contractors to organise the collection - IFFPG contracted the contractors that you talk about and got the budget waaay wrong. IFFPG spent more money on advertising, board funding and trips abroad to look at where the plastic was going than they had laid out to pay the contractors for collection. I was working in a County Council at the time and the council had to pay contract collectors to collect the backlog caused by IFFPG. If somebody told you that it was the contractor's fault instead of IFFPG's, then you were told a big porker.

Several of these contractors then went out on their own to collect plastic and received no levy. Many are still going today. At the same time IFFPG had enough clout with farming organisations and the government to ensure that they weren't stripped of the contract to collect plastic in exchange for levy. The messers were IFFPG, and they still are getting levy paid by farmers to collect it!!!!

Was it not the councils job to ensure they got a levy on all plastic
Its the local authoritys reponsibility to ensure that the levy is paid on all plastic and if they did that, plastic collection would be free.
There seems to be no control on imported plastic, and if a retailer gives out the same code for numerous sales, there seems to be no monitoring.
I also think it's a bit ironic for a public body to accuse a voluntary body of taking junkets and wasting public money
The local authoritys have the responsibility for this, you didn't say whether you still worked for them, But you/they should get their finger out now,

reilig

rancher wrote: »

Was it not the councils job to ensure they got a levy on all plastic
Its the local authoritys reponsibility to ensure that the levy is paid on all plastic and if they did that, plastic collection would be free.
There seems to be no control on imported plastic, and if a retailer gives out the same code for numerous sales, there seems to be no monitoring.
I also think it's a bit ironic for a public body to accuse a voluntary body of taking junkets and wasting public money
The local authoritys have the responsibility for this, you didn't say whether you still worked for them, But you/they should get their finger out now,

Why ask so many questions now? You had all the answers in your last post.

I was working in a county council at the time when they had to deal with this issue. I was an independent contractor there, but indirectly I had to deal with parts of this farm plastic issue. When my contract finished 7 years ago I moved on to another position which isn't in public service.

No public body accused IFFPG of taking junkets. I did. I saw it with my own eyes.

It is the Department of the Environment's responsibility to ensure that the levy is collected. They established the quango IFFPG to do this for them.

There is no law to state that you can't buy un-levied plastic nor for any retailer to sell it.

The point that I was making was that you accused plastic contractors in your above post of having caused this debacle. It lay totally in the hands of IFFPG. They were mismanaged. They mismanaged the levies that were collected and they had to be bailed out by taxpayers money through the County Council. It was a disgrace.

caseman

Poor Farmer in the hills wrote: »

Apparently farm waste plastic from round bales etc. very dirty and expensive to clean in the recycling process.

I think alot of our recycled waste ends up dumped in india and china.

Farmer Pudsey

My own opinion is that a quango should not have been set up . It should have been contracted out at the time for a 3/5/8 year period like the NCT. I heard that some co-op and companies approached the Dept of Enviorment/Agriculture at the time but this was shot down. This was the most logical solution to what should have been a simple contract to set up. In reality we are not getting plastic collected. Most farmers have to carry it to a collection depot. If you want it collected it is more expensive.

I remember that I contacted them re same about 5 years ago send them on a cheque they lost it had to contact a contractor direct. As far as I know all the messing was by the farmplastics. They left some of contractors high and dry with collected plastic in hand.

What are the overheads of the and how much do the board members receive. How much do the CEO cost and how many staff, I like to see the figures.

I doubt if they are a voluntary body.

lefthooker

Quick question re collection,

If we're not being paid for delivering plastic, and IFFPG are not buying plastic, then why the need for batch numbers and proof of purchase?

Dampintheattic

Farmer Pudsey wrote: »

My own opinion is that a quango should not have been set up . It should have been contracted out at the time for a 3/5/8 year period like the NCT. I heard that some co-op and companies approached the Dept of Enviorment/Agriculture at the time but this was shot down. This was the most logical solution to what should have been a simple contract to set up. In reality we are not getting plastic collected. Most farmers have to carry it to a collection depot. If you want it collected it is more expensive.

I remember that I contacted them re same about 5 years ago send them on a cheque they lost it had to contact a contractor direct. As far as I know all the messing was by the farmplastics. They left some of contractors high and dry with collected plastic in hand.

What are the overheads of the and how much do the board members receive. How much do the CEO cost and how many staff, I like to see the figures.

I doubt if they are a voluntary body.

You said it there. Quango.
There are literally hundreds of them. Insiders getting over priced, under controlled, government contracts.
When this government came in, one of the big promises they made was to get rid of rakes of them. I'm struggling to name even one which had been shut down.