*SCAM - fella got jumped viewing this car at Red Cow

scrap_man

Sorry if this has been posted already
Just putting this up as a warning to others. A fella went to look at a car for his sister and was attacked. They had it set up well in advance and knew where to park and what roads to go down so they wouldn't be caught on camera.
Heres the ad for the car
http://cars.donedeal.ie/for-sale/cars/4840329
And here is the story
http://www.driftireland.com/forum/showthread.php?t=36380

biko

That forum requires login.

scrap_man

sorry didn't realise that
copy and pasted

Just putting this up here to let people know and also to see if anybody knows the car or people. The reg of the car is 01 wx 5101.

Heres what happened anyway - went to view this car for my sister tonight http://cars.donedeal.ie/for-sale/cars/4820727
I met your man at the red cow hotel. From what I know they are from Walkinstown. When I arrived there was another Blue 5 series BMW 00-02 Model across from us with a lad sitting in it, I presumed this was your mans lift had I taken the car with me. I proceeded to look at the car anyway and he was very edgy the whole time which I thought was a bit odd. I then asked to take the car for a drive and at first he wanted to drive and let me drive back but I said no I will drive it. When we got back your man was a bit strange to which I concluded he was strung out, could barely string his words together and was touching and looking at stuff oddly. I said I wasn't interested and then he flipped out. The other lad got out of the bmw then and then he started swinging for me. I dodged a couple and then he caught me with 2 and burst me open, nose mouth etc. and front tooth is farely loose (hopefully I don;t lose it. Managed to get my sister into the car and lock the doors then and I managed to run off then. Was well organised, the BMW had arrived half hour before the peugeot and on approach the peugeot flashed/signalled to the BMW, they knew the blind spots of the cameras in the car park and which roads to take with no cameras etc.

Anyway if anybody could provide any info on the car or people would really appreciate it and also to let people know beware the next time you are going to look at a car bring someone else with you, apparently its happening a lot now.

Thankfully they didn't get the money

Thanks in advance for any input

Fred Swanson

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biko

I take it the Gardai are informed and have been give soft copies of the advert?
Donedeal can also provide info if need be.

amdublin

That's desparate!

But I am a little confused - what was the purpose of the "jump". Was it to rob the fella of cash he had brought with him to buy the car?
Or was it just to have a fight?

scrap_man

He has been onto the guards, hes waiting to here back from them. donedeal has also been notified, maybe thats why the original ad is marked sold and they made a new ad.

Yes they were trying to take the money they brought with them, but he managed to lock his sister and the cash into the car

tcawley29

Same car is also here: http://cars.donedeal.ie/for-sale/cars/4815191
and here: http://cars.donedeal.ie/for-sale/cars/4561694

Mileage is different on the OP's link so the car has also been clocked....

Let the prank calls begin :pac:

dgt

Convenient, the ad in the OP's original post is sold.... :rolleyes:

OP thank's for sharing this story with us, a real eye opener

13spanner

Thanks for sharing OP, would hardly have believed it if I hadn't read it myself.

S28382

Is this the new way of robbing people? there is some scum out there.

Ideo

Was the first batch of photos taken in Liffey valley car park? Might have cameras if so? Sorry to hear op, hope you catch the scumbags!

MidlandsM

This is why no one should EVER buy or sell cars in Car Parks etc.........

Doom

Terrible thing to happen, I suppose a bit of advice is to always ask them to meet you where cameras are for security for both parties, if they don't agree, don't go.

Atlantic Dawn

Don't get this at all, guy goes to sell a car with reg fully visible, lad comes to buy and he is jumped yet there's no indication buyer has more than a brass farthing on him and seller is fully identifiable from reg plate, whole tale doesn't make any logical sense at all to me.

bmstuff

Atlantic Dawn wrote: »

Don't get this at all, guy goes to sell a car with reg fully visible, lad comes to buy and he is jumped yet there's no indication buyer has more than a brass farthing on him and seller is fully identifiable from reg plate, whole tale doesn't make any logical sense at all to me.

Reg might be fake, car might be stolen, or those guys are simply just dumbs, like 95% of those doing this kind of crap.
Like posting a video on Youtube/Facebook/Twitter of their criminal action.

I use to go to high school with a fella that decided to rob a bank with his very own Renault 5 once he turned 18. He put toilet paper on the reg to hide the digits, when he flew the bank, the paper went airborne and that's how they got him since someone took down the number. Those guys are just thick, that's how they got caught.

Duiske

Atlantic Dawn wrote: »

Don't get this at all, guy goes to sell a car with reg fully visible, lad comes to buy and he is jumped yet there's no indication buyer has more than a brass farthing on him and seller is fully identifiable from reg plate, whole tale doesn't make any logical sense at all to me.

Any way of checking if that reg is legit ? Could be the Peugeot is stolen and/or on false plates ?

Fred Swanson

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Atlantic Dawn

Duiske wrote: »

Any way of checking if that reg is legit ? Could be the Peugeot is stolen and/or on false plates ?

Could be but if I was doing it with a stolen car I would do it with something more pricey than a 1.1 litre 206 worth about €1k, too much risk for 5 weeks worth of dole.

Basil Fawlty

No its a prefect scam as small cars sell quick and at that price chances are they will have close to the asking price on them in cash. So be careful.

oregano

Atlantic Dawn wrote: »

Don't get this at all, guy goes to sell a car with reg fully visible, lad comes to buy and he is jumped yet there's no indication buyer has more than a brass farthing on him and seller is fully identifiable from reg plate, whole tale doesn't make any logical sense at all to me.

I agree there's something very strange... The initial ad is very well spelled and doesn't want text messages etc... It seems unlikely a junkie or scumbag put it together. Particularly for as small a return as 1400 euro.

The other done deal ads look more ropey however so I'm guessing the Peugeot was nicked or something... Am confused...

turbostan

Duiske wrote: »

Any way of checking if that reg is legit ? Could be the Peugeot is stolen and/or on false plates ?

well its a Peugeot 206 alright according to the reg, surely those guys aren't that brainless??
doesn't make sense at all at all

turbostan

As an aside, I would not be inclined to ring or contact any ad where they can't be forthcoming enough to put their first name down as the seller, that made up sh1te such as "Peugeot" or "seller" etc just puts me off straight away.

bobin fudge

find it odd that you would take up the opportunity to go for a test drive with a drug addict beside you in the car, I probably would have walked away after initial viewing of the potential sellers

Having said that, at least the op is fine after that incident

skyhighflyer

tcawley29 wrote: »

Same car is also here: http://cars.donedeal.ie/for-sale/cars/4815191
and here: http://cars.donedeal.ie/for-sale/cars/4561694

Mileage is different on the OP's link so the car has also been clocked....

Let the prank calls begin :pac:

I'm probably missing something, but the two ads you've posted seem to be legitimate ads from the same person with the price lowered from 1450 to 1100 over the course of a month, hardly unusual. Could be that the car was sold by / robbed from this seller to the alleged scumbags.

The offending ad is also remarkably well-written for a junkie / scumbag to have produced and the reg details have been blocked out very precisely in the pictures, even on the tax and insurance discs.

Another thing I don't get is how the guy knew the beemer arrived half an hour before the 206 - did he review the Red Cow's CCTV afterwards? Doesn't tally with what he's saying about the lads taking the back roads / using blind spots with no CCTV etc. Not too many back roads on the approach to and from the Red Cow either.

If there was CCTV, assuming the car wasn't stolen, shouldn't be too hard to track these lads down, leading me to wonder why two lads would take a fairly significant risk for (only potentially) €600 apiece, in what generally tends to be a fairly busy car park.

I apologise in advance if this is (and it may be) a true story, and I don't doubt this kind of thing happens, just seems odd to me.

akura

http://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:http://cars.donedeal.ie/for-sale/cars/4820727

The name on this ad is Markus,

and Vanessa on this ad
http://cars.donedeal.ie/for-sale/cars/4815191

dgt

akura wrote: »

http://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:http://cars.donedeal.ie/for-sale/cars/4820727

The name on this ad is Markus,

and Vanessa on this ad
http://cars.donedeal.ie/for-sale/cars/4815191

It's on Adverts too

Edit: Ownership not changed in last 3 months

skyhighflyer

MidlandsM wrote: »

This is why no one should EVER buy or sell cars in Car Parks etc.........

Too true. I'll never forget the story I read on here before of a guy whose almost new Polo was stolen. I think the guards called him about it a couple of months later and some girl had given a lad €10,000 cash for it in a car park :eek:

seanwhite20

dgt wrote: »

It's on Adverts too

It's strange the way all pics of this car are in different places. First one in Liffey Valley, second I'm almost certain is Palmerstown and then on adverts it says location is rathnew.

skyhighflyer

dgt wrote: »

It's on Adverts too

Edit: Ownership not changed in last 3 months

That adverts seller genuinely seems legit as well. They're hardly scamming someone out of €20 for the baby clothes in their ad What's going on?

TheBigLebowski

He locked his sister in the car with the cash and ran off. Do I have that right? What a hero.

tcawley29

skyhighflyer wrote: »

I'm probably missing something, but the two ads you've posted seem to be legitimate ads from the same person with the price lowered from 1450 to 1100 over the course of a month, hardly unusual. Could be that the car was sold by / robbed from this seller to the alleged scumbags.

The offending ad is also remarkably well-written for a junkie / scumbag to have produced and the reg details have been blocked out very precisely in the pictures, even on the tax and insurance discs.

Another thing I don't get is how the guy knew the beemer arrived half an hour before the 206 - did he review the Red Cow's CCTV afterwards? Doesn't tally with what he's saying about the lads taking the back roads / using blind spots with no CCTV etc. Not too many back roads on the approach to and from the Red Cow either.

If there was CCTV, assuming the car wasn't stolen, shouldn't be too hard to track these lads down, leading me to wonder why two lads would take a fairly significant risk for (only potentially) €600 apiece, in what generally tends to be a fairly busy car park.

I apologise in advance if this is (and it may be) a true story, and I don't doubt this kind of thing happens, just seems odd to me.

Indeed you are missing something my friend :P
If you look at the add sold by "Vanessa" the car has 135000 miles on it and is in Wicklow.
If you look at the other add the car has just over 80000 miles on it and is in Dublin.
The Wicklow add is also older than the Dublin add and I've never heard of cars clocks going backwards over time like that.
I wouldn't rule out that its stolen either. It could very well be

dgt

Seems the car was sold recently according to adverts, bought by someone for someone else..... Hmmmmm

tcawley29

dgt wrote: »

Seems the car was sold recently according to adverts, bought by someone for someone else..... Hmmmmm

No changes in ownership according to motortax for the last three months

Toyotafanboi

i nearly had a heart attack there. i spend the last few minutes in my head saying "that reg is too familiar, the 5101 part in particular". then remembered i sold a silver peugeot 306 many years ago with that reg, it was 99wx5101! not 01, phew not that my little tale has much relevance one way or the other.

dgt

tcawley29 wrote: »

No changes in ownership according to motortax for the last three months

I know, I posted that already

Maybe the book didn't arrive yet?

stevek93

Have bought a lot of stuff from Adverts never had any trouble maybe I have just been lucky. Will be keeping a eye out now didn't think the likes of this this were common. If the guards are intelligent enough they can contact done deal requesting for the IP address from that advert tracking down the poster IF they are willing highly doubt it though.

Toyotafanboi

based on the story of the original guy that was "attacked". is it not a simple case of him informing the gardai of what has happened? a plain clothes garda arranging a viewing of the car and catching these guys out?

stevek93

Toyotafanboi wrote: »

based on the story of the original guy that was "attacked". is it not a simple case of him informing the gardai of what has happened? a plain clothes garda arranging a viewing of the car and catching these guys out?

I'd say that would go down very well for the seller taking a swing at a guard.

Toyotafanboi

stevek93 wrote: »

I'd say that would go down very well for the seller taking a swing at a guard.

it wouldn't but surely it'd put an end to this who game very quickly?

slickmcvic

Maybe im missing something here but Could the seller be tracked via C'card details used for advert payment?

Fred Swanson

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Joe Hart

I will have a look at this tomorrow.

Koops80

MidlandsM wrote: »

This is why no one should EVER buy or sell cars in Car Parks etc.........

Look at it from a legitimate sellers point of view. I wouldn't invite strangers round to my house for a first viewing, especially donedeal ones. Fair enough incite them round if they agree to buy after meeting in a safe place for the first viewing and you have had a chance to meet them and make a character judgement