New puppy help

spicymchaggis

Right so, I'm picking up a 9-10 week old japanese spitz next week. I decided to go for a female as we have 2 female dogs at home already (will get to that later) and both parents are purebred.
The dog has been wormed but not vacinated yet but that is first on my list along with microchipping.
I'm picking up a 61cm x 76cm crate which I plan to block off part of until she gets bigger.
What food should I feed the puppy and for how long and how much each day? There would be a tesco local and a maxi zoo in maynooth.
When should I introduce the puppy to the other two female dogs which are both vacinated and are a westie and a scotty (not my dogs) and any particular method?
What should I use for grooming her, I'm aware it's a breed that does need a fair amount of grooming.
Anything else I should know or consider.

Synyster Shadow

If you go to maxi zoo they could give you a cup (scoop) that measures how much food to give based on weight of puppy. And usually 3-4 times a day they will fill you in on that

But first thing you should do is get her vaccinated before your bring her around any other dogs. So on your way home do that.

I wouldn't be sure on grooming I'm used to short hair dogs but am sure someone can help

andreac

Why isn't the breeder vaccinating and microchip ping? They should be doing that?

DBB

I'd also be concerned about why the pup is not yet vaccinated or chipped. It means that the breeder has not registered this litter, which utterly screams of back yard breeder. So, I'd be treading with care here op.
Another factor which I'll mention, this may be a decision you're set on, but adding a third female to a home where there are already two females, both of which are terriers, is kinda asking for trouble when your new pup becomes sexually mature. Adding a male dog is by far and away the safest option in a dynamic like this. Like I say, perhaps you're dead set on another female, and it may work out, but you are taking a pretty big risk.

In the meantime, look up the puppy section on this website, it's a super resource for new puppy owners:
http://www.dogstardaily.com

andreac

I second the advice about getting a 3rd female. A male would be much better. Females tend to not get on as well together as a mixture of males and females so i would def reconsider if i was you.

Also, i really would urge you to reconsider due to the fact that the pup is not vaccinated or microchipped?? This is the most basic things a responsible breeder should be doing with their litter and its usually not a good thing if they havent.

All reputable breeders will at least have 1 vaccination done as a minimum along with microchipping as they have to be microchipped to be registered with the IKC and only the breeder can register the pups.

Have you asked the breeder why they havent done this?

ISDW

spicymchaggis wrote: »

Right so, I'm picking up a 9-10 week old japanese spitz next week. I decided to go for a female as we have 2 female dogs at home already (will get to that later) and both parents are purebred.
The dog has been wormed but not vacinated yet but that is first on my list along with microchipping.
I'm picking up a 61cm x 76cm crate which I plan to block off part of until she gets bigger.
What food should I feed the puppy and for how long and how much each day? There would be a tesco local and a maxi zoo in maynooth.
When should I introduce the puppy to the other two female dogs which are both vacinated and are a westie and a scotty (not my dogs) and any particular method?
What should I use for grooming her, I'm aware it's a breed that does need a fair amount of grooming.
Anything else I should know or consider.

I won't go into the vaccinating and lack of microchip, others have covered that, although you say both parents are purebred, not that they are registered.

I would avoid any complete food that you can buy in Tesco, stick with a petshop, either the maxi zoo near you, or online. What is the breeder feeding? Stick with that at first, even if its not a good food, then gradually switch over to a good quality dog food.

I would also agree with getting a male, rather than a female.

Is there a groomer local to you? Go and talk to them, and get their advice, would be good to take the pup in while young, for socialisation and to see the place as a nice place to go, so a few visits for treats from the groomer.

spicymchaggis

Only the father is registered.
He hasnt chipped or vacinnated as he said he prefers buyers to do this themselves so there they get the paper work themselves. There reason I havnt gone for a male is only one of the terriers is spayed and they have no intention to spay the other as it is purebred and they breed it which could lead to trouble.

I have found another breeder today that has them all wormed and vaccinated and both parents are registered but he hasnt registered the two pups yet but can be for an additional fee. Is it worth getting them registered if I was to go with this breeder? I have no intention of breeding my dog and intend to spay her. Also both his pups are female.

Appreciate the feedback

DBB

spicymchaggis wrote: »

Only the father is registered.
He hasnt chipped or vacinnated as he said he prefers buyers to do this themselves so there they get the paper work themselves.

He's producing pups on the cheap so. And using an unregistered bitch, all of which would lead one to assume that he is not breeding dogs for their health, lines/genetics, behaviour etc, and is maximising his profits by spending as little as he can on the pups. I would not buy a pup of this person.

There reason I havnt gone for a male is only one of the terriers is spayed and they have no intention to spay the other as it is purebred and they breed it which could lead to trouble.

Simple solution: get a male and castrate him when he's old enough.

Is it worth getting them registered if I was to go with this breeder? I have no intention of breeding my dog and intend to spay her. Also both his pups are female.

Any breeder, without exception, who indulges at this racket of only registering their pups for an additional fee is a shyster. Again, he is maximising his profits. Great that he has them vaxed and wormed, but I'm assuming if he's not registering the pups, he hasn't them chipped either. More profit maximising. I would not buy from this person.

Again, I cannot warn you enough, and others here with a huge amount of dog-experience have warned you, placing a third female in with two others, particularly terriers, is a big, big risk. I would not do it, as an experienced dog owner.

Look, I'll level with you here OP. From what you've posted I'm assuming you're looking at ads for dogs on Donedeal or the like? You need a lot of luck, and you need to do a LOT of homework, to get yourself a good breeder from that site. IT is full of puppy farmers and back yard breeders, I cannot be more clear with you than that. The girl who runs Japanese Spitz Rescue will tell you that this breed has suffered horrendously because of this indiscriminate breeding of what has become a huigely popular breed.
I think the best thing you could do is to take a deep breath, forget about sourcing puppies online (you've contacted two breeders, both of them are suspect), and contact the Japanese Spitz breed club. Get yourself onto a waiting list for a well-bred, well-reared, registered, male pup from a breeder who is not cutting corners or trying to make money.
This advice may not suit you, and you may go ahead and get a female pup from a shyster, and it may turn out brilliantly, but the problem is, at this moment in time, the chances of that are small. This would not be anywhere near such a big risk if you went to an above-board breeder.

Knine

To be honest I would go to the breed club and get a list of reputable breeders. Both those you mention sound like right Back Yard Breeders.

He did not get them chipped or vaccinated because he is too mean! No excuse as any required paperwork is handed over with the puppy. I would be worried about what other corners he has cut. A lot of these cowboys breed the bitch every season hence they don't register as they don't want to be caught out by the IKC for this.

You have got great advice from above especially regarding multiple bitches in one house. How will you manage if the bitches start fighting?

spicymchaggis

Hmmmm this is all valid advice and probably right. Yes it's donedeal I have been looking on and have been for quite a while a long with other sites, seems to be a hard enough breed to come by. Where should I look for breeders?

I dunno regarding multiple females. The unspayed one is as docile as sloth and loves interacting with any dog or cat for that matter even if they dont recipricate. The spayed female is wild and full of energy but has never started a fight with any dog but the male might be the way to go. Even introducing as a puppy doesnt help? The other two dogs were bought a year apart.
So even if he has the parents certs / registered and wormed and vaccinated them with paperwork but willing to register them you would advise going with this person?

After reading these posts gonna have to sit down and have a long hard think tonight.

DBB

spicymchaggis wrote: »

I dunno regarding multiple females. The unspayed one is as docile as sloth and loves interacting with any dog or cat for that matter even if they dont recipricate. The spayed female is wild and full of energy but has never started a fight with any dog but the male might be the way to go.

But you don;t know what the 3rd female is going to end up like! The chances of females fighting are higher than with males. The chances of females hurting each other when they fight are a lot higher than with males. Introducing a 3rd dog to a 2-dog household is a risk in itself, as 3 is the most difficult dynamic, just as it is with humans... it is not uncommon at all for two to gang up on one, and because it's two against one, the damage can be considerable. So, introducing a 3rd FEMALE dog to a household with two other females is really risky. Like I said, it might work, but statistically, you're taking a big chance. If it works out, great. But if it doesn't, you're up the creek

Even introducing as a puppy doesnt help?

I'm afraid not, no! Owners can get lulled into a false sense of security with a new pup, because adult dogs will tend to give a pup, of either sex, a fool's pardon. It's when the pup sexually matures that the trouble starts. Neutering may help, but in my experience it doesn't help much. I've said it before, and I'll say it again... they don't call 'em bitches for nothing, and bitches do not have the same "Rules of Engagement" as males do, so although they can appear to be getting on grand, the quietly building resentment can eventually explode and cause a catastrophic fight. I've seen this happening in so many multi-bitch households now, I wouldn't dream of keeping three of them together in a pet dog environment!

So even if he has the parents certs / registered and wormed and vaccinated them with paperwork but willing to register them you would advise going with this person?

I wouldn't, simply because he's cutting corners. What other corners is he cutting that you don't know about? Any breeder who's proud of what they're doing will be racing to get their pups registered, because it validates the pups and sends a message to the buyer that things are above board (not always, but no papers definitely means things are NOT above board!).
This business of selling the pups at €X unregistered, and €X+ registered, just smacks of trying to lure people into buying the cheaper pup, quickly. It saves the breeder the extra expense, and trouble of going to the vet. You'll still have the expense of microchipping your pup, and I'll be absolutely honest, unless his vaccination cards are signed and stamped by a vet, I would not be trusting them either!
What can happen is that both parents may be registered, but because the IKC has various rules around how many litters a bitch can have, and at what age, a breeder may avoid the registration of the pups so that he can break the IKC rules, and breed too many litters, or breed from a too young or too old bitch.. or dog. Not that the IKC are any great shakes at enforcing their rules mind, but that's not the point!

After reading these posts gonna have to sit down and have a long hard think tonight.

Good for you! I always say to people, you'll get the dog you're meant to have. That might mean having to wait a while, but it's always worth the wait

Here's a link to the breed club details:
http://www.ikc.ie/japanese-spitz-club-ireland

And the breed club facebook page:
http://www.facebook.com/pages/Japanese-Spitz-Club-Ireland/119590471428417

ABajaninCork

spicymchaggis wrote: »

What should I use for grooming her, I'm aware it's a breed that does need a fair amount of grooming.

You'll have a furball on your hands OP!

Get a decent slicker brush, a pin head brush (for blow-drying the dog), a comb and a good knot breaker. They won't cost much (You can easily get these on eBay), but will save you, the dog and the groomer a great deal of stress.

Get into a routine of brushing out the dog at least every other day, so that it gets used to being groomed.

I wouldn't bother to wash the dog or send it to the groomer until at least six months old. After that, get a decent puppy shampoo. That should do the trick!

Find a good groomer and introduce the dog to her as soon as possible, so that the puppy gets used to her.

Hope this helps!

ABajaninCork

Have a look at this The Kennel Club OP. Although this is for the KC, there's still lots of useful info and tips on buying a dog.

spicymchaggis

I know not the best question to ask but what would an average price be for a fully registered and vaccinated pup from a proper breeder?
I've contacted the breeding club and awaiting a reply.

Appreciate the grooming advice. Will pick up all the needed stuff even if it looks like it may be a while before I get one now.

spicymchaggis

is there anything I should be looking for on the parents / pups ikc certs? Is there different types?

spicymchaggis

ok, you have me convinced on the male part even though i had my heart set on a female. just always had female pets

spicymchaggis

I like to plan ahead but i was wondering about food brands for the dog? I have a maxi zoo less than 10 mins away, what would be suitable for a puppy JS and what for an adult JS? I also see bestformydog.com recommended a fair bit online

ABajaninCork

James Wellbeloved, and Burns would be the best bet for the pup. I would steer clear of Royal Canin. Although lots of dogs do well on it, equally a lot of dogs don't do well. RC seems to upset a lot of tums!

Orijen is very good too, but I'd worry the protein content will be too high for a small dog.

Hope this helps!