disabled parking in private car park

LoveCoke

I was in a shopping centre car park and it had a sign to say disabled drivers with the blue badge were only allowed to park in the disabled bays. can they do that. Onthe street they are allowed park anywhere i think. i am not involved just curious

What were the exact words on the sign?

SB2013

i doubt that was the intention of the sign. Likely it will be some lesson in missing punctutation.

"Persons with disabled badges only allowed in disabled spots" can mean two things.

Peppa Pig

A blue badge holder can park in any normal parking space. If they want to use the disabled only spaces they must display the badge.
I have a badge and have fairly limited mobility. If I can manage in a normal parking space I'll park there and leave the disabled one in case somebody with worse mobility than me comes along.

Yawns

LoveCoke wrote: »

I was in a shopping centre car park and it had a sign to say disabled drivers with the blue badge were only allowed to park in the disabled bays. can they do that. Onthe street they are allowed park anywhere i think. i am not involved just curious

You've taken it up wrong. The disabled drivers can park anywhere. If they wish to park in the disabled parking spot, then they must have a badge. Basically you cannot park in a disabled spot unless you also have the accompanying badge. Free to park anywhere else.

LoveCoke

Yawns wrote: »

You've taken it up wrong. The disabled drivers can park anywhere. If they wish to park in the disabled parking spot, then they must have a badge. Basically you cannot park in a disabled spot unless you also have the accompanying badge. Free to park anywhere else.

I didn't take it up wrong. people with badges were told they had to park in the disabled bay.i.e in the space for disabled not in a 'normal' space

I know they can park anywhere on the street, that is why i was curious

What were the exact words on the sign?

cannot recall but meaning was clear

Lantus

LoveCoke wrote: »

I was in a shopping centre car park and it had a sign to say disabled drivers with the blue badge were only allowed to park in the disabled bays. can they do that. Onthe street they are allowed park anywhere i think. i am not involved just curious

If your badge is not displayed then how do you suppose they will prove it? Insist that every person visiting the shop proves they are NOT disabled?

Its the parent and child spaces that are my bug bear, every one loves to park in them whether they have kids or not. At my local tesco there are around 40 disabled spaces and only half in parent and child. Most disabled spaces are consistently empty while its incredibly hard to ever get a space in a P&C space (the staff love them as well.)

SB2013

Lantus wrote: »

If your badge is not displayed then how do you suppose they will prove it? Insist that every person visiting the shop proves they are NOT disabled?

Its the parent and child spaces that are my bug bear, every one loves to park in them whether they have kids or not. At my local tesco there are around 40 disabled spaces and only half in parent and child. Most disabled spaces are consistently empty while its incredibly hard to ever get a space in a P&C space (the staff love them as well.)

Probably because many people don't believe having a child with you limits your ability to walk a bit more.

coylemj

If it's private property then they can impose any rules they like - cars with registrations ending in odd numbers must park on the left, even numbered cars on the right or whatever takes their fancy.

Entry to the car park implies acceptance of the rules so obey - or else.

But most disabled 'stickers' seem to sit on top of the dash, presumably so they can be used in any of the family's cars so it's easy to conceal it if you have one, problem solved.

seamus

coylemj wrote: »

Entry to the car park implies acceptance of the rules so obey - or else.

All they can really do is ask you to leave the car park. They can't clamp your vehicle and the imposition of fines for parking incorrectly on private property is legally dubious.

I do suspect the OP is the result of a poorly written sign, the intention being that only blue badge holders may park in the disabled spaces, not that blue badge holders were prohibited from parking in normal spaces.

deandean

SB2013 wrote: »

i doubt that was the intention of the sign. Likely it will be some lesson in missing punctutation.

"Persons with disabled badges only allowed in disabled spots" can mean two things.

An English professor wrote the words
‘A woman without her man is nothing’
on the blackboard and asked his students to punctuate it correctly.
All the males in the class wrote
‘A woman, without her man, is nothing’.
All the females in the class wrote:
‘A woman: without her, man is nothing’.
Punctuation is powerful.

LoveCoke

Lantus wrote: »

If your badge is not displayed then how do you suppose they will prove it? Insist that every person visiting the shop proves they are NOT disabled?

Its the parent and child spaces that are my bug bear, every one loves to park in them whether they have kids or not. At my local tesco there are around 40 disabled spaces and only half in parent and child. Most disabled spaces are consistently empty while its incredibly hard to ever get a space in a P&C space (the staff love them as well.)

i do not have a badge.

Peregrinus

coylemj wrote: »

If it's private property then they can impose any rules they like - cars with registrations ending in odd numbers must park on the left, even numbered cars on the right or whatever takes their fancy.

Entry to the car park implies acceptance of the rules so obey - or else.

Except that the car park owners are in trouble if they adopt a rule which discriminates on the prohibited grounds - like sex, age or - gosh! - disability.

Having spaces reserved for the disabled is fine. Telling the disabled that they must not use any other space is not - it's the equivalent of telling black people that they must sit at the back of the bus.

If the car park really has this rule, and someone challenges it, the car park owners will need to show that the rule is objectively justified by reference to some criterion other than disability. I can't see how they are going to do this.

Excluding disabled people from general parking spaces is unlawful discrimination.

Peregrinus

SB2013 wrote: »

Probably because many people don't believe having a child with you limits your ability to walk a bit more.

The issue with parent with child spaces is not the walking. It's the need to manouver a buggy and a loaded shopping trolley around your car without scratching the neighbouring cars. Parent with child spaces are wider than standard.

coylemj

Peregrinus wrote: »

Parent with child spaces are wider than standard.

Which is why they're usually occupied by Mercs and BMWs, lest some pleb parks too close and scratches it with his door.

Victor

It may be that there are other rules, e.g. a 1/2/3-hour parking limit that they apply to the other spaces, otherwise they will clamp and they don't want to risk clamping someone in a blue badge.

Peregrinus

Victor wrote: »

It may be that there are other rules, e.g. a 1/2/3-hour parking limit that they apply to the other spaces, otherwise they will clamp and they don't want to risk clamping someone in a blue badge.

I don't think that would be much of a defence. You can avoid clamping someone with a blue badge by looking through the front window to see if they have a blue badge. If you are too lazy or stupid to do this, and you avoid the risk of clamping a blue-badged car by banning blue-badged cars from general spaces, you are penalising the disabled for your own laziness and stupidity. That's not going to be the kind of justification the equal status leglslation requires; pretty much the opposite.

dechol

Peregrinus wrote: »

The issue with parent with child spaces is not the walking. It's the need to manouver a buggy and a loaded shopping trolley around your car without scratching the neighbouring cars. Parent with child spaces are wider than standard.

And to get a baby carseat
out of car.

ezra_pound

SB2013 wrote: »

Probably because many people don't believe having a child with you limits your ability to walk a bit more.

Child safety.

Car parks are dangerous places for children and it is much safer for children not to have to walk long distances through them.

People who park in these spaces sicken me.