Professional Flight Training exhibition Dublin this weekend

Lustrum

Just wondering if anyone is going to this? I'm away this weekend but would be interested in hearing about it if anyone is going.

I just got my copy of this months FII magazine and saw the ad for it. The article gives the usual Boeing estimate of 466,650 pilots required over the next 20 years. In my current situation of being an unemployed CPL holder I have my own views on this figure, as do many others I'm sure.

Aer Lingus and Aer Arann are both giving talks so it would be interesting to hear what they have to say, considering their current recruitment policies

JamieIsGod

I would love to attend this expo but how do you get tickets do you know?

Peregrine

JamieIsGod wrote: »

I would love to attend this expo but how do you get tickets do you know?

Here's some more information on it: http://exhibitions.flyer.co.uk/dublin_06_apr_2013.htm

There's a "Buy Tickets" option there. It's at the Convention Centre on Saturday.

Edit: Sorry to answer your question, it say's €10 + €1 fee online, there could be other ways of buying a ticket.

JamieIsGod

Nimrod 7 wrote: »

Here's some more information on it: http://exhibitions.flyer.co.uk/dublin_06_apr_2013.htm

There's a "Buy Tickets" option there. It's at the Convention Centre on Saturday.

Edit: Sorry to answer your question, it say's €10 + €1 fee online, there could be other ways of buying a ticket.

Thanks

LeftBase

Lustrum wrote: »

Aer Lingus and Aer Arann are both giving talks so it would be interesting to hear what they have to say, considering their current recruitment policies

Last year was comical given that neither of them actually said anything. It was most anticipated waffling session in a long time. Aer Lingus basically explained who they were and what they did and what aircraft and routes they had and that was about it.

BrakePad

I was at it today. I got some useful info from various stands, but I really must question what RE and EI were doing there?? They basically had no information to give and all they really spoke to people about was how to train to be a pilot, which all the flight schools were doing anyway. Every question I asked was answered with "we don't know" or "we have to see what happens". There is little point in having a stand unless you have something to actually say!!

Fully Established

I attended this show many years ago and it seems from what's been said above things haven't changed much such as schools marketing themselves telling potential pilots what they want to hear and the likes of EI and RE talking about what everybody already knows.Did anyone find out how the likes of EI and RE recruit pilots and where ? A big thing for potential new pilots to understand before spending a lot of money is to find out how many fully qualified pilots are available already to take up jobs should they become available , because as i understand it their are a lot of pilots that are qualified but not currently employed as pilots .

Flier

BrakePad wrote: »

I was at it today. I got some useful info from various stands, but I really must question what RE and EI were doing there?? They basically had no information to give and all they really spoke to people about was how to train to be a pilot, which all the flight schools were doing anyway. ........ Every question I asked was answered with "we don't know" or "we have to see what happens". There is little point in having a stand unless you have something to actually say!!

I would be very careful about making accusations such as the above, given that the EI representatives there are readily identifiable individuals, as are you. You could easily find yourself at the wrong end of a lawsuit. Unless of course you are ready to backup your allegations with some facts.

BrakePad

Flier wrote: »

I would be very careful about making accusations such as the above, given that the EI representatives there are readily identifiable individuals, as are you. You could easily find yourself at the wrong end of a lawsuit. Unless of course you are ready to backup your allegations with some facts.

You're right. I was just a little annoyed when I got home. I took out the offending piece from my post.

No.username

BrakePad wrote: »

I was at it today. I got some useful info from various stands, but I really must question what RE and EI were doing there?? They basically had no information to give and all they really spoke to people about was how to train to be a pilot, which all the flight schools were doing anyway. Every question I asked was answered with "we don't know" or "we have to see what happens". There is little point in having a stand unless you have something to actually say!!

You must have been at a different exhibition from me! I was speaking to a really nice chap on the EI stand and he answered all the questions I had. In particular I asked about favouritism between Modular and Integrated students when it comes to DE candidates and I also asked about the cadetship just finished and any upcoming one. As far as I know he answered everything honestly and was very informative, so to say there is no point of them having a stand is very harsh in my view, as they cleared up more questions for me than any of the FTO's there.

You have to remember the FTO's are there to make money.... They will tell you what you want to hear. Aer Lingus are there not for commercial reasons, but to provide an insight into life in an Airline... they will tell you as it is.

Flier

BrakePad wrote: »

You're right. I was just a little annoyed when I got home. I took out the offending piece from my post.

Fair enough, I will remove the relevant piece from my quote. I'd be interested to know what exactly were the issues you had, as I can see no reason for any airline staff to misslead a random person who rocks up at a trade stand. Obviously they won't be able to tell you any 'inside information' on yet unfinalised recruitment plans. I wonder were your expectations a little unreasonable. I understand the frustrations of people in your position, but you must understand an airline's position in not being able to answer all of your questions. Good luck in your search in any case.

Contrails

Never bothered going to one of these in the past but i won tickets to this one and i'm glad i went along.

I already have a ppl and have had an interest in aviation for years so i didnt expect to learn anything new. But i spoke to a lovely lady (FO) from aer arann who gave me a good picture of what its like to work for them, what their recruitment process is like and how she trained up herself.

The aer lingus stand had a queue at it the whole time, they had an FO, head of training malachy o'curry and a freah cadet just back from jerez. Only got to speak to malachy myself, had a bit of a laugh about the fact he actually interviewed me himself at the group interviews for the cadetship. He hopes the cadetship will make a return at some point but they obviously have to assess the cost benefit of it first before they get the nod to run it again.

Also spoke to a nice middle aged chap from NFC who actually turned out to be a recent 'graduate' after training modular. Again it was nice to hear from someone who wasnt in sales and just gave me black and white info on various elements of his training here in Ireland.

Not a bad way to spend a saturday afternoon all in all!

Fully Established

Here is some interesting information for potential student pilots to know about the industry .:eek:
The employment market continues to be particularly challenging for newly qualified cadet pilots. In the financial year 2009-2010, 2611 professional flying licences were issued in the UK alone. According to the Civil Aviation Authority, since April 2005, a minimum of 2500 professional licences have been issued yearly up until the end of their current statistics in 2010. This means over 12,500 newly qualified pilots entered the market in those five years, in the middle of which was the biggest global economic depression since the 1930's bringing a period of bankruptcies and consolidation to commercial aviation across Europe.​


basill

Its no wonder that no one hasn't tried a Freedom of Information Act request on the UK CAA to get meaningful statistics. The ones on their website are usually so out of date.

The professional licences only really relate to CPL issue and do not distinguish between those that want to instruct fulltime and others seeking airline work. What you really need to know is the numbers of those CPLs that in turn obtain a full ATPL ie: get a job. Also a split by which country they are from and where they work at ATPL issue date could be useful. Although I would put my neck out and say it would be single digit success rates.

BrakePad

No.username wrote: »

You must have been at a different exhibition from me! I was speaking to a really nice chap on the EI stand and he answered all the questions I had. In particular I asked about favouritism between Modular and Integrated students when it comes to DE candidates and I also asked about the cadetship just finished and any upcoming one. As far as I know he answered everything honestly and was very informative, so to say there is no point of them having a stand is very harsh in my view, as they cleared up more questions for me than any of the FTO's there.

You have to remember the FTO's are there to make money.... They will tell you what you want to hear. Aer Lingus are there not for commercial reasons, but to provide an insight into life in an Airline... they will tell you as it is.

For those looking in to the job market in the near future I mean. Those who go to exhibition not to talk to FTOs(because they already have one) there was very little info on the hiring prospects in the next year - 18 months. That's how I felt anyway!

Flier

BrakePad wrote: »

Great thread,

My question is : What can you expect to be asked at an airline interview?

Maybe that's the kind of question you should have been asking the airlines at the exhibition. Capt Malachy O'Curry was on the stand - he'll be the one interviewing you and will have the most input into weather you get the job. Why didn't you ask him?