Renting in Dublin

bombidol

Hey folks. I've been searching for a place to live for over a month now to no joy. I need a house, at least 2 bedroom, a back garden (not yard) and no grief about having a dog. Ive a budget of 1000e a month but could push it to 1100e a month if needs be.
I've viewed literally dozens of houses all over the county. The ones I like have an issue with the Dog, and the ones that dont have an issue with the madra are simply large versions of 1980s Rathmines bedsits. They look like a bomb has gone off in them.
Talking to friends of mine from all over the world, this issue with pets seems to be an Irish thing. Surely if I sign a lease that leaves me liable for any damage (pet included) then there shouldnt be a problem?

litup

I had a similar problem when I was looking. It may be worth offering the landlord an increased deposit. Many landlords are afraid dogs will do more damage than the deposit covers.

That said I did eventually find a place that was happy with the dog and didn't require anything extra. Just took a while!

bombidol

My issue is that Ive been looking for ages and I dont have a lot of time left. I have to be out of here before two weeks time. Im simply in awe of the system here, Its a dog. Not a dragon. What dog could do a thousand euros worth of damage before I could stop him? And even if he did do a thousand euros worth of damage. I've given the landlord money to cover that in the case of it happening.
The funny thing is that I wont even have the dog for another 3 or 4 months. But I have to find a place thats suitable for when it arrives.
The first month and deposit has me tapped out, I cant afford to lay more down on a deposit. Im pretty much screwed, arent I?

bombidol

Im checking daft and myhome literally every 10 minutes. Are there any other sites worth looking at? I check lettings, rent and gumtree,adverts every day too but the sites arent great for it.

TheBandicoot

Just give up. That's what I did.

You are not going to find anywhere. A landlord has absolutely no incentive to bother listening to your story or your offer of an increased deposit or whatever. He has dozens of other people lining up behind you with no dog, if you're not willing to be 100% compliant and easy for him, he'll just pass you over and go to the next one.

Give up, look outside of Dublin, or get rid of the dog.

bombidol

Neither of those are an option I'm afraid. I'll power on somehow. Maybe I'll kill my granny and move in there.

zef

Hi- doing search on daft.ie that accepts pets, a few houses in Swords, Blanch and this http://www.daft.ie/searchrental.daft?id=1326165 came up. Its a little out of the way, out by Dalkey, but love the fireplace!
This http://www.daft.ie/searchrental.daft?id=1317217 is a fab looking little house , but kinda out of the way too. Own transport essential.
Hope you find somewhere, I'm a pet owner and could not be parted from them.

Mink

I've two cats & have gotten around this by offering to sign something that I will cover any damage/increased deposit.

If you're first in the door (more or less) to view the property, you can move in asap, have your deposit & paperwork & good references there, then you'll more or less sell yourself as a tenant & it will be easier to negotiate re the dog.

Keep looking, you'll find somewhere, there are a lot of dog lovers out there, even if it is purely a business transaction for them

djimi

bombidol wrote: »

Im simply in awe of the system here, Its a dog. Not a dragon. What dog could do a thousand euros worth of damage before I could stop him? And even if he did do a thousand euros worth of damage. I've given the landlord money to cover that in the case of it happening.

Youre problem is that youre coming at it from the point of view of someone who will control their animal and look after the place. The landlord is thinking worst case scenario, which is someone who doesnt control their dog and doesnt give a toss about the property, and ends up allowing the animal to wreck the place. A grands worth of a deposit is not going to go very far when the dog has wrecked every floor and piece of furniture in the house and has dug the garden to shreds.

biko

I put a pet deposit down for 200 when I moved to a place with a cat some years ago and the landlord at first was sceptical.
Now a dog can to do more damage but try asking if a pet deposit is ok and what they would consider a fair deposit.

gaius c

TheBandicoot wrote: »

Just give up. That's what I did.

You are not going to find anywhere. A landlord has absolutely no incentive to bother listening to your story or your offer of an increased deposit or whatever. He has dozens of other people lining up behind you with no dog, if you're not willing to be 100% compliant and easy for him, he'll just pass you over and go to the next one.

Give up, look outside of Dublin, or get rid of the dog.

Very much this at the moment.

Dublinchap2013

I am in the same position. Wondering did you find somewhere and would you consider a share!! I've a male 4 year old dog. I sent you a message. Thanks.

Idbatterim

If I were a landlord, not a bloody chance Id have a dog in my property! They can afford to be picky at the moment...

Dublinchap2013

Idbatterim wrote: »

If I were a landlord, not a bloody chance Id have a dog in my property! They can afford to be picky at the moment...

Idbatterim I disagree with you. I am actually renting a small 3 bed house right now and I have a dog and the Landlord doesn't mind. The house was left empty for 4 months prior to me moving in with my dog because it is now a renters market. I posted because I've two other rooms available in the house and wouldn't mind sharing the rent with someone else like the original poster who also has a dog. The garden out the back is walled completely with a side gate and it is a big garden and right around the corner there is a park to walk the dog etc.

djimi

There are large parts of Dublin at the moment where it is very much not a renters market. Even outside of Dublin landlords can afford to be somewhat choosy about who they rent to.

I have seen the state that some dogs leave houses in (both rented and otherwise) and I have to say if I were a landlord there is no way on earth I would allow a dog near my rental property. In my opinion if you want to have a dog then you first get your own property.

Dublinchap2013

djimi wrote: »

There are large parts of Dublin at the moment where it is very much not a renters market. Even outside of Dublin landlords can afford to be somewhat choosy about who they rent to.

I have seen the state that some dogs leave houses in (both rented and otherwise) and I have to say if I were a landlord there is no way on earth I would allow a dog near my rental property. In my opinion if you want to have a dog then you first get your own property.

Entitled to your opinion. Anyway the original poster PM'd me and got a place and so did I so it isn't impossible as people would make out.

djimi

Im not saying its impossible; I just wouldnt let a dog near any place of mine!

Dublinchap2013

djimi wrote: »

Im not saying its impossible; I just wouldnt let a dog near any place of mine!

Fair enough

quietsailor

I'm an owner occupier at the moment and we (myself and the other 3 people living in the house) are fostering a dog for an animal charity. I see, from a Landlords point of view, on a daily basis what having a dog in a house is like. Even though I'm fond of her and she (Orla) isn't destructive I wouldn't take a dog in again.

• The garden has to be constantly cleaned of dog sh!t
• I've had to put up fences at my cost to keep the dog out of the neighbours gardens - the neighbors don't care who owns her just that it's my property and the dog is getting access from my property.
• We can't leave doors open inside or outside as she can't have free run of the whole house

The lawn will probably have to be dug up and re-seeded after Orla. That is expensive - I could easily see €500 being spent for that work. Now consider if the dog chewed furniture, in a single day a large dog could chew a door, sofa, chairs. No "months rent as deposit" deposit will cover that damage and that is damage that will easily be accrued by a normal dog.

I'd be asking for a deposit/bond of several thousand from any renter looking to keep a dog in my property.

Finally, several posters that frequent this forum and who are renters want LLs to treat renting as a business - well an animal is a huge risk with no indemnity for the LL, no business will take on such a risk without huge reward, why should Landlords?

Dublinchap2013

quietsailor wrote: »

I'm an owner occupier at the moment and we (myself and the other 3 people living in the house) are fostering a dog for an animal charity. I see, from a Landlords point of view, on a daily basis what having a dog in a house is like. Even though I'm fond of her and she (Orla) isn't destructive I wouldn't take a dog in again.

• The garden has to be constantly cleaned of dog sh!t
• I've had to put up fences at my cost to keep the dog out of the neighbours gardens - the neighbors don't care who owns her just that it's my property and the dog is getting access from my property.
• We can't leave doors open inside or outside as she can't have free run of the whole house

The lawn will probably have to be dug up and re-seeded after Orla. That is expensive - I could easily see €500 being spent for that work. Now consider if the dog chewed furniture, in a single day a large dog could chew a door, sofa, chairs. No "months rent as deposit" deposit will cover that damage and that is damage that will easily be accrued by a normal dog.

I'd be asking for a deposit/bond of several thousand from any renter looking to keep a dog in my property.

Finally, several posters that frequent this forum and who are renters want LLs to treat renting as a business - well an animal is a huge risk with no indemnity for the LL, no business will take on such a risk without huge reward, why should Landlords?

YOU SOUND LIKE A FAKE DOG OWNER TO ME, MY OPINION

listermint

Dublinchap2013 wrote: »

YOU SOUND LIKE A FAKE DOG OWNER TO ME, MY OPINION

He sounds like a reasonable landlord that has decribed what owning a dog can entail


excuse the pun...

Grandpa Hassan

Dublinchap2013 wrote: »

YOU SOUND LIKE A FAKE DOG OWNER TO ME, MY OPINION

Whether they are a fake dog owner or not, the sentiment will be widely shared. I rent out my house in Dublin, after I have had to move away with work, and there is no way on earth I would have tenants with a dog.

Dublinchap2013

listermint wrote: »

He sounds like a reasonable landlord that has decribed what owning a dog can entail


excuse the pun...

Saying Orla has done no harm and then saying the Garden needs to be re-seeded at the cost of €500.

Renting is not a business? Well actually it is a form of business as it is taxed.

Don't have a dog if you are going to whinge later about it.

Dublinchap2013

Grandpa Hassan wrote: »

Whether they are a fake dog owner or not, the sentiment will be widely shared. I rent out my house in Dublin, after I have had to move away with work, and there is no way on earth I would have tenants with a dog.

Good for you.

BostonB

Considering the usual issue of using the deposit for rent for the last month or two, (for the usual reasons) and very few means open to the LL to recover money from tenants after they leave. A dog or pet is simply an increase in these potential losses. So a depots isn't really much use.

Whats needed is some from of insurance policy for this.

Dublinchap2013

BostonB wrote: »

Considering the usual issue of using the deposit for rent for the last month or two, (for the usual reasons) and very few means open to the LL to recover money from tenants after they leave. A dog or pet is simply an increase in these potential losses. So a depots isn't really much use.

Whats needed is some from of insurance policy for this.

Then they should simply hire the deposit for those with Pets, from solved.

Grandpa Hassan

Dublinchap2013 wrote: »

Good for you.

OK. Persude me otherwise. What is in it for me? Except from extra hassle and unnecessary risk

Dublinchap2013

Grandpa Hassan wrote: »

OK. Persude me otherwise. What is in it for me? Except from extra hassle and unnecessary risk

No

Grandpa Hassan

Dublinchap2013 wrote: »

No

Thought so!

Dublinchap2013

Grandpa Hassan wrote: »

Thought so!

Generally have no time for LLs in General :eek:

BostonB

Dublinchap2013 wrote: »

Then they should simply hire the deposit for those with Pets, from solved.

Hire the deposit? Don't get yah.

Dublinchap2013

BostonB wrote: »

Hire the deposit? Don't get yah.

higher :P

BostonB

Ah. I think you are missing my point about the deposit not working, as people use it for rent of the last month or two.

Dublinchap2013

BostonB wrote: »

Ah. I think you are missing my point about the deposit not working, as people use it for rent of the last month or two.

Well higher it to 3 months LOL, professionals have dogs and money. And if you are not satisfied with 2 or 3 grand of a deposit well then just continue to not allow pets. I can guarantee you if someone was looking for a place today and they selected a property that didn't mention pets allowed and they told the landlord they would place a 3 grand deposit down the landlords eyes would light up :pac: $$$$$

BostonB

3k might not cover repairs and lost rent. In Germany 2~3 months rent as a deposit is standard. Regardless of Pets.

Dublinchap2013

BostonB wrote: »

3k might not cover repairs and lost rent. In Germany 2~3 months rent as a deposit is standard. Regardless of Pets.

Wow what damage can a dog do that surpasses 3k, clearly if you are going to be concerned that 3k won't cover potential damage you should just not rent a house with expensive items to someone with a dog. This is not Germany either. :cool:

djimi

Dublinchap2013 wrote: »

Wow what damage can a dog do that surpasses 3k, clearly if you are going to be concerned that 3k won't cover potential damage you should just not rent a house with expensive items to someone with a dog. This is not Germany either. :cool:

In a year (or even a couple of months) a badly controlled dog could easily do several grands worth of damage. Damage to wooden floors/carpets, furniture, gardens etc; you wouldnt be long seeing a few grands worth of repairs.

Obviously that is worse case scenario, but Ive seen the state that some dogs leave houses in, and its shocking to be honest.

Dublinchap2013

djimi wrote: »

In a year (or even a couple of months) a badly controlled dog could easily do several grands worth of damage. Damage to wooden floors/carpets, furniture, gardens etc; you wouldnt be long seeing a few grands worth of repairs.

Obviously that is worse case scenario, but Ive seen the state that some dogs leave houses in, and its shocking to be honest.

Fair enough but it sounds like a worst case where the dog is completely bonkers. Maybe offering a place to rent unfurnished is the answer or if still worried there is always that alternative of just not renting to those with dogs. I suppose a good question is, if a potential tenant approached you with good references which included a mention of his or her dog would that cool the anxiety

sungear

OP, did you find somewhere?
Are you restricted to a certain area?
What kind of dog is it?
Is it trained not to bark?
Would the OP be willing to look into training< it might be something a landlord would have to consider, noise complaints from neighbours.

TheBandicoot wrote: »

Just give up. That's what I did.

You are not going to find anywhere. A landlord has absolutely no incentive to bother listening to your story or your offer of an increased deposit or whatever. He has dozens of other people lining up behind you with no dog, if you're not willing to be 100% compliant and easy for him, he'll just pass you over and go to the next one.

Give up, look outside of Dublin, or get rid of the dog.

Im sure there must be somewhere available, depends on if they are limited or limiting to a specific area.

quietsailor wrote: »

I'm an owner occupier at the moment and we (myself and the other 3 people living in the house) are fostering a dog for an animal charity. I see, from a Landlords point of view, on a daily basis what having a dog in a house is like. Even though I'm fond of her and she (Orla) isn't destructive I wouldn't take a dog in again.

• The garden has to be constantly cleaned of dog sh!t
• I've had to put up fences at my cost to keep the dog out of the neighbours gardens - the neighbors don't care who owns her just that it's my property and the dog is getting access from my property.
• We can't leave doors open inside or outside as she can't have free run of the whole house

The lawn will probably have to be dug up and re-seeded after Orla. That is expensive - I could easily see €500 being spent for that work. Now consider if the dog chewed furniture, in a single day a large dog could chew a door, sofa, chairs. No "months rent as deposit" deposit will cover that damage and that is damage that will easily be accrued by a normal dog.

I'd be asking for a deposit/bond of several thousand from any renter looking to keep a dog in my property.

Finally, several posters that frequent this forum and who are renters want LLs to treat renting as a business - well an animal is a huge risk with no indemnity for the LL, no business will take on such a risk without huge reward, why should Landlords?

I agree, cleaning up **** everyday myself, its a pain, I will have to re dig my own lawn by the end of the summer, I need to fence off an area in the garden.
Also they will need to be constantly hoovering to get the hair up, we have a short haired dog and at times she seems to moult quite a bit, but is always leaving some hair. Against my wishes initially, the dog was restricted to the kitchen, she generally wont venture into the hall but if we weren;t there maybe she would. Having a baby and the chance the dog will walk in her own poop outside and then walk where the baby might be, its not worth it either.
So, restrict the dog to certain parts of the house, certainly not upstairs.
I even notice the dog smell in the kitchen, even though its masked by cooking smells, but not elsewhere.

Dublinchap2013 wrote: »

Wow what damage can a dog do that surpasses 3k, clearly if you are going to be concerned that 3k won't cover potential damage you should just not rent a house with expensive items to someone with a dog. This is not Germany either. :cool:

My dog chewed our skirting boards, chairs and table before we found something she liked to chew/grew out of it. I wouldnt dream of letting her unattended near the living room suite!
I can see how a dog could chew off pretty much what they wanted.

Dublinchap2013 wrote: »

Fair enough but it sounds like a worst case where the dog is completely bonkers. Maybe offering a place to rent unfurnished is the answer or if still worried there is always that alternative of just not renting to those with dogs. I suppose a good question is, if a potential tenant approached you with good references which included a mention of his or her dog would that cool the anxiety

Maybe the OP would consider providing their own furniture, like a sitting room suite, agree to keep the place clean and restrict the dog from access to certain parts of the house, ie not upstairs and look into any pet damage indemnity insurance if that exists? I'd rent to people that would agree to extra deposit and terms and conditions.

Dublinchap2013

sungear wrote: »

Im sure there must be somewhere available, depends on if they are limited or limiting to a specific area.



I agree, cleaning up **** everyday myself, its a pain, I will have to re dig my own lawn by the end of the summer, I need to fence off an area in the garden.
Also they will need to be constantly hoovering to get the hair up, we have a short haired dog and at times she seems to moult quite a bit, but is always leaving some hair. Against my wishes initially, the dog was restricted to the kitchen, she generally wont venture into the hall but if we weren;t there maybe she would. Having a baby and the chance the dog will walk in her own poop outside and then walk where the baby might be, its not worth it either.
So, restrict the dog to certain parts of the house, certainly not upstairs.
I even notice the dog smell in the kitchen, even though its masked by cooking smells, but not elsewhere.



My dog chewed our skirting boards, chairs and table before we found something she liked to chew/grew out of it. I wouldnt dream of letting her unattended near the living room suite!
I can see how a dog could chew off pretty much what they wanted.



Maybe the OP would consider providing their own furniture, like a sitting room suite, agree to keep the place clean and restrict the dog from access to certain parts of the house, ie not upstairs and look into any pet damage indemnity insurance if that exists? I'd rent to people that would agree to extra deposit and terms and conditions.

Now that does sound fair enough.

the_syco

Dublinchap2013 wrote: »

Wow what damage can a dog do that surpasses 3k, clearly if you are going to be concerned that 3k won't cover potential damage you should just not rent a house with expensive items to someone with a dog. This is not Germany either. :cool:

Things to chew; sofa, table legs, chair legs.
Things to pee on; carpet, side of sofa. Oh, and the mattress.

Mainly puppies and badly trained hyper dogs, though.

quietsailor

Dublinchap2013 wrote: »

Wow what damage can a dog do that surpasses 3k, clearly if you are going to be concerned that 3k won't cover potential damage you should just not rent a house with expensive items to someone with a dog. This is not Germany either. :cool:

Orla is a staffie cross and she chewed through a "big dog toy" that is supposed to last for weeks in................one day :eek: She's chewed through her lead, several ropes, numerous tennis balls and god knows what else.

She's very gentle but I would hate to have her attack me, her jaws are incredibly powerful and seem to be able to tackle anything. I reckon she's easily chew through timber or fabric so she can chew through anything in a house.

Now go add up the value of your sitting room - think about the cost of getting in a carpenter to replace doors and architraving, replace sofas, replace carpets that have been soiled - €3K would be simple to build up and it could be achieved by Orla in less than one week

Grandpa Hassan

Dublinchap2013 wrote: »

I suppose a good question is, if a potential tenant approached you with good references which included a mention of his or her dog would that cool the anxiety

No. When there is likely a queue of other people without dogs, then I really don't see the point. Even if you have, say, a 3,000 euro deposit which ensures that you aren't going to be left out of pocket, you still have the hassle of replacing curtains or something. Let alone dealing with potential complaints from neighbours if the dog is barking

BostonB

Dublinchap2013 wrote: »

Wow what damage can a dog do that surpasses 3k, clearly if you are going to be concerned that 3k won't cover potential damage you should just not rent a house with expensive items to someone with a dog. This is not Germany either. :cool:

My point was that deposits are very low in ireland vs the potential damage (Even with inexpensive items) that can be caused. I was talking about tenants without pets.

Obviously LL are not biting the hand off tenants who offer large deposits for pets, if its so hard to find places that take pets.

I was offering suggestions as to why LL aren't keen.