Found this in my attic! 10% of sale price for the best information ;-)

cgarrad

Don't know if it is worth anything, anybody here know?

Not a great theme mind you, probably a limited market ;-)

Wild_Dogger

Very Victorian - second half of the 19th century.

Yeah, dodgy topic

Could be something of value. I would be surprised if it isn't signed.
Stretcher on the reverse is crude.... very crude.

Can you give it little clean to check ?

Be careful ! Get a really soft cloth and dampen it ever so slightly.
Just 'kiss' the canvas surface with the cloth....... you dont want to wet the paint. This should remove the surface grime enough to examine the signature areas in more detail.

Both canvas and frame are from the period.

let me know if you give it a wipe

cgarrad

I've put it into a storage unit as renovations are being done on the house but I should be down there in the next couple of weeks.

Is the bottom right the standard area for the signature or is there any other area to check?

Wild_Dogger

Bottom right or bottom left usually.
Only on Dutch paintings do you find signatures in obscure places.

You won't be going to the Caribbean on the proceeds, but you might get a night out for yourself and your other half.
(plus the 10% of sale price to go to an animal shelter!;))

Will catch up with you again when you get around your renovations !

cgarrad

If it's for the doggies it's 20% ;-)

If there is not signature visible is removing it from the frame advisable?

Wild_Dogger

oh yeah .... whip it out of the frame but just be careful not to catch the canvas on one of the nails on the way out.

also when you are storing the painting, make sure nothing is leaning against the canvas or poking into it. Seems obvious but no harm to mention this advice.
Theres a couple of holes in it already and it would be really easy to puncture if the canvas has become brittle ! Not forgetting paint flaking or scratch marks !!

20% to the doggies is very generous ! sound man
I'm thinking total value may be between €100-200 provisionally ..... lets see if it is signed, and if it cleans easily then maybe try to post another pic but close up of a face. Could be more ............

cgarrad

Interested now, I'll try to get down this week.

Thanks for the info ;-)

crazyhorsecowle

found this on ebay, being sold for 750.00 euros although people often make up their own prices on ebay,

In fairness to your picture the quality of the painting is far superior in the quality of the painting,this one almost looks as though it is a poor reproduction of your one.

There is an artist called nikolaos gysis who does similiar style paintings of the type of quality that yours is.

He studied in berlin and was german.

the style of clothing and hat and the child seems that yours could be possibly from that neck of the woods
and I agree possibly mid to late victorian.

Hope some of this helps. Its a lovely painting and irrespective of the damage ,the subject matter is good and appealing and when cleaned properly would make for a really interesting picture to collectors.

It should be valued by an expert and an auction room who deals specifically in art,and who has online auctions. Whytes auction room would be a good start.

Wild_Dogger

Well spotted Crazy-horse !!!

Wild_Dogger

Well spotted Crazy-horse !!!

cgarrad

Quick update,

I went in to remove the canvas from the frame to check for a signature but the wedges/blocks holding the canvas in the frame are well pinned. I need to bring a needle nosed pliers at least.

I might pop in tomorrow as I'm quiet interested now.

Not quiet as interested as I was when I misread 750.00 as 750,000 in the post above but still interested ;-)

crazyhorsecowle

Hope it helped in some way,art is not an area I am too researched on but I know a little. I would not suggest taking it out of the frame at all as it may be not signed anyway.

I would advise on a valuation as it is,an art appraiser would know regardless and it does not need to suffer any more damage,I have removed a few myself but accidents if they can will happen!!!!

The damage isn't a grave consern as it can be repaired and sometimes dealers seeing this are all too aware of how easy it can be done, it can sometimes ,not all but sometimes when a picture is slightly damaged lead to many dealers believing that they will get it at a good price.

The thing is if you have a few dealers all thinking the same thing well then you have bidding wars which can drive it up.
Hopefully that happens for you pal!!!!

I do not be on boards as often as I possibly should,I spend more time studying antiques and artifacts etc....

If anybody out there ever reads and needs help with anything I am always happy tyo research or share any knowledge I have,if somebody doesn't get there first.

Best of luck with it,sorry it was not 750,000. The dogs would of been well looked after!!!!! next time pal!!! hopefully for us all!
ten 4 over and out.

Wild_Dogger

I would agree with Crazy Horse .
It is obviously painted by a follower of a well known painting, so even if it is signed it may not be the signature of the original hand.

Just having another look at the stretcher,i reckon it could be very hard to put back together if you rake it out - it's a DIY stretcher

Continental picture 19th century - German or Italian maybe, I can't recognize the costume.

The 19th century pictures can be hard to trace as they usually had very quirky titles.

Jagdtiger

Looks very familiar to me, can't place the name of the artist that done the original though and the book that I know it's in is back in Eire...

cgarrad

I brought the piece into Adelle Hughes in Whyte's on Molesworth st.

She thinks its a canvas print.

Too badly damaged to be sold so basically worthless ;-(

Oh well....

crazyhorsecowle

The frame is in good condition and it is still a nice subject,may suit a pub or the likes. you may still get 60 to 100 for it if you market it well.worth a punt.antique frames are expensive enough and usually get very damaged along the way. worth a shot. best of luck. there is always something else if you look. We like to tell ourselves that anyway!!!