Ucd Bar/ Student club, why can't it sell cans like The Pav?

WoollyRedHat

As per the title, would it not be feasible and even profitable if the UCd Student Club were to re open and sell cans at the bar, as the Pav bar do? Even when it was open, couldn't see why they didn't try it. Obviously this alone wouldn't fix have fixed the financial woes in the past, but under a new reigme, clean slate, could this not be one initiative to try out with a new full licence?

kilrush

Is it not something to do with Trinity being classified as private property and UCD classified as public property so licensing is completely different for the two ?

errlloyd

There is no legal reason why they can't, they just never did.

RandolphEsq

Cheap drink and a better developed outside area could've had that place hopping. But the problem was always to do with the way UCD students drinking was viewed by the authorities. In Trinity the students are treated as mature adults so aren't harassed for having a drink out on the grass in front of the bar. UCD barely allow you walk around with a bag of unopened drink.

[Jackass]

I don't know what the craic with Trinity students is, but I know from UCD students that the authorities are wary for very good reason, such as drunken knife attacks in residences, trashing of a local pub while UCD bar was closed and Dublin Bus refusing to stop at UCD between certain times because of vandalism and unsocialable behaviour by drunk students going into town - and that's all just in the last year.

I agree with the OP that it would be nice to try, but at the same time, I wouldn't be too quick to blame it on UCD not treating students like grown alduts...

RandolphEsq

[Jackass] wrote: »

I don't know what the craic with Trinity students is, but I know from UCD students that the authorities are wary for very good reason, such as drunken knife attacks in residences, trashing of a local pub while UCD bar was closed and Dublin Bus refusing to stop at UCD between certain times because of vandalism and unsocialable behaviour by drunk students going into town - and that's all just in the last year.

I agree with the OP that it would be nice to try, but at the same time, I wouldn't be too quick to blame it on UCD not treating students like grown alduts...

Well there are far more students living on campus in U.C.D. then in Trinity so I suppose that makes it easier to get pissed up before heading to the SU bar which means people will be typically far drunker than those frequenting the Pav.

themont85

[Jackass] wrote: »

I don't know what the craic with Trinity students is, but I know from UCD students that the authorities are wary for very good reason, such as drunken knife attacks in residences, trashing of a local pub while UCD bar was closed and Dublin Bus refusing to stop at UCD between certain times because of vandalism and unsocialable behaviour by drunk students going into town - and that's all just in the last year.

I agree with the OP that it would be nice to try, but at the same time, I wouldn't be too quick to blame it on UCD not treating students like grown alduts...

Never heard of knife attacks. Bus thing was 3 years ago.

I went to Trinity as well. Just a better vibe and attitude to it overall. Went in today and there were cans all over the ground outside the Pav.

[Jackass]

Pretty much every year Dublin bus put restrictions on stopping at UCD because of drunk students. Here are some of the esteemed collection from a quick google. Most recent one being last semester where " large number of passengers who boarded buses at the UCD stop over the first two weeks of term displayed anti social behaviour and caused damage to several vehicles."

http://www.collegetribune.ie/index.php/2012/10/drivers-refuse-to-stop-at-flyover-after-10pm/

http://www.universityobserver.ie/2010/01/19/dublin-bus-pulls-late-services-on-10-route/

http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=2055402454

It's just so common now that it's hardly "news" any more.

But it's a fair point about far more on campus students at UCD and also Trinity students are in town anyway, but it's not a UCD vs Trinity thing, it's just that for various reasons such as those mentioned it works at Trinity, but largely to do with size and locality, UCD boozing tends to turn into an absolute sh*t show.

RandolphEsq

[Jackass] wrote: »

Pretty much every year Dublin bus put restrictions on stopping at UCD because of drunk students. Here are some of the esteemed collection from a quick google. Most recent one being last semester where " large number of passengers who boarded buses at the UCD stop over the first two weeks of term displayed anti social behaviour and caused damage to several vehicles."

http://www.collegetribune.ie/index.php/2012/10/drivers-refuse-to-stop-at-flyover-after-10pm/

http://www.universityobserver.ie/2010/01/19/dublin-bus-pulls-late-services-on-10-route/

http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=2055402454

It's just so common now that it's hardly "news" any more.

But it's a fair point about far more on campus students at UCD and also Trinity students are in town anyway, but it's not a UCD vs Trinity thing, it's just that for various reasons such as those mentioned it works at Trinity, but largely to do with size and locality, UCD boozing tends to turn into an absolute sh*t show.

I think it can be fairly and accurately pointed out that culchies can't handle their drink, and make up the bulk of those on campus, therefore UCD need their security to be vigilant around campus at night.

themont85

[Jackass] wrote: »

Pretty much every year Dublin bus put restrictions on stopping at UCD because of drunk students. Here are some of the esteemed collection from a quick google. Most recent one being last semester where " large number of passengers who boarded buses at the UCD stop over the first two weeks of term displayed anti social behaviour and caused damage to several vehicles."

http://www.collegetribune.ie/index.php/2012/10/drivers-refuse-to-stop-at-flyover-after-10pm/

http://www.universityobserver.ie/2010/01/19/dublin-bus-pulls-late-services-on-10-route/

http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=2055402454

It's just so common now that it's hardly "news" any more.

But it's a fair point about far more on campus students at UCD and also Trinity students are in town anyway, but it's not a UCD vs Trinity thing, it's just that for various reasons such as those mentioned it works at Trinity, but largely to do with size and locality, UCD boozing tends to turn into an absolute sh*t show.

The reality is these people are drinking anyway and will continue to do so, in their rooms or at houses. It's very easy to pick out incidents with 25k students many of a young age over a few years. They are young and getting their first taste of freedom. I understand UCD being wary but the level which security in UCD implement some of the policies really gives the feeling of a nanny college.

Allowing cans into the Bar would not increase the level of violence or disorder. You can still police that stuff.

* The attitude to drink leads to people necking naggins and shoulders. These are college students and looking for a cheap way to drink.

[Jackass]

Ah I agree, all very valid points (especially culchies not handling their drink!! ) but was just playing Devils advocate as I can't blame UCD for being cautious about stuff like serving cans.

As I said though, I'd like to see it tried. It's not like people wont drink, the main problem with UCD is getting them off campus / out of the area after. Trinity enjoy a city centre location where drunk students blend in with the crowd, whereas UCD is like a small town and rowdy behaviour is very noticable as a result, around campus and the neighbouring areas, and given it's pretty secluded (granted not far from town, but immediate vicinity there's not a lot of student attractions) unfortunately any bad student behaviour is very easily linked with UCD.

I'm sure many TCD students get drunk and rowdy, but it just happens to be in Porter House central or something and not directly associated with TCD.

errlloyd

Tbh I think the Bar makes drinking safer not more dangerous, the problem is the shifting responsibility. Same way built in ovens on res would be safer than people buying table top ovens in aldi or lidl. But the college doesn't have any responsibility for table top ovens

ironclaw

errlloyd wrote: »

There is no legal reason why they can't, they just never did.

Trinity is private property. The entire campus can legally termed a bar and its also possible to restrict access, which they do every night. UCD on the other hand is a public place. There are differing licensing laws for both. Trinity is also far easier to control if things get out of hand or you need to stop people entering.

I would't welcome open consumption of alcohol in the public areas of UCD. Immediately surrounding the bar or student center / forum bar then that's fine. But not by the lake or on the pitches.

errlloyd

I am fairly sure UCD is also Private Property, DCU certainly is. I know NUIs are some mad public private thing, but for the purposes of selling cans I'd say its still private property.